App is in a better position to bring in P5 schools than most in the Sun Belt with 4 other P5 schools in the state, most of whom aren't on the level of the true powerhouse schools that are in most SBC states. That, combined with 3 other out of state big time P5 schools within 3 hours leads to some great money games.

(02-12-2017 04:19 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  App is in a better position to bring in P5 schools than most in the Sun Belt with 4 other P5 schools in the state, most of whom aren't on the level of the true powerhouse schools that are in most SBC states. That, combined with 3 other out of state big time P5 schools within 3 hours leads to some great money games.

I'd count five within 4 hours: VT, Tennessee, Georgia, Clemson, and South Carolina. SC still sells over 80,000 tickets per home game despite lacking a strong history of conference championships, and VT may not have as massive a stadium but has won quite a few Big East and ACC championships.

I agree App's location is working it's favor. It is much easier for App to draw a UNC or Wake Forest than it is for Troy, USA, or UAB to draw Alabama or Auburn.

Regardless, Doug Gillin is doing such a good job I feel like I should worry some P5 will soon snatch him up. He's a good guy and represents our school well.

2 for 1's are terrible because you completely give away a game. The only money exchanged is the home team giving the visiting team travel expenses. If App finalized this deal, it would be huge because they are getting a home and home with an instate P5, plus a money game with an instate P5 that fulfills a need for a money game. I think we may start to see more of this. Some P5 schools get criticized by their fans for signing home and home series with G5's like Miami with App and stAte. This way they can trick some of their fans by disguising it as a 2 for 1, when it really isn't.

(02-12-2017 04:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:19 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  App is in a better position to bring in P5 schools than most in the Sun Belt with 4 other P5 schools in the state, most of whom aren't on the level of the true powerhouse schools that are in most SBC states. That, combined with 3 other out of state big time P5 schools within 3 hours leads to some great money games.

I'd count five within 4 hours: VT, Tennessee, Georgia, Clemson, and South Carolina. SC still sells over 80,000 tickets per home game despite lacking a strong history of conference championships, and VT may not have as massive a stadium but has won quite a few Big East and ACC championships.

I agree App's location is working it's favor. It is much easier for App to draw a UNC or Wake Forest than it is for Troy, USA, or UAB to draw Alabama or Auburn.

Regardless, Doug Collin is doing such a good job I feel like I should worry some P5 will soon snatch him up. He's a good guy and represents our school well.

Doug Collin? I'm sure you meant Doug Gillin.

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(02-12-2017 06:17 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  2 for 1's are terrible because you completely give away a game. The only money exchanged is the home team giving the visiting team travel expenses. If App finalized this deal, it would be huge because they are getting a home and home with an instate P5, plus a money game with an instate P5 that fulfills a need for a money game. I think we may start to see more of this. Some P5 schools get criticized by their fans for signing home and home series with G5's like Miami with App and stAte. This way they can trick some of their fans by disguising it as a 2 for 1, when it really isn't.

If any school's AD is only getting a home game and no big cash out of a 2-1 arrangement, then they are doing something wrong....


"The $1.65 million that Nebraska will pay to Arkansas State covers a onetime trip for the Red Wolves. Conversely, G5 members have started taking less than a million dollar guarantee if the major conference school agrees to make a return trip sometime in the future. Most often the big program will get two guaranteed home games, and in return make one trip to the home of the G5 university they have entered into the agreement with. These two scenarios are win-wins for smaller conference universities. Either they get paid big bucks to make one trip or they get the opportunity to sell the fan base on having a big time program make a once in a lifetime trip to your home stadium."

more:
http://collegead.com/cashing-g5-universi...all-games/

(02-12-2017 07:20 PM)appfan89 Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:19 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  App is in a better position to bring in P5 schools than most in the Sun Belt with 4 other P5 schools in the state, most of whom aren't on the level of the true powerhouse schools that are in most SBC states. That, combined with 3 other out of state big time P5 schools within 3 hours leads to some great money games.

I'd count five within 4 hours: VT, Tennessee, Georgia, Clemson, and South Carolina. SC still sells over 80,000 tickets per home game despite lacking a strong history of conference championships, and VT may not have as massive a stadium but has won quite a few Big East and ACC championships.

I agree App's location is working it's favor. It is much easier for App to draw a UNC or Wake Forest than it is for Troy, USA, or UAB to draw Alabama or Auburn.

Regardless, Doug Collin is doing such a good job I feel like I should worry some P5 will soon snatch him up. He's a good guy and represents our school well.

Doug Collin? I'm sure you meant Doug Gillin.

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Autocorrect. My bad.

(02-12-2017 08:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 07:20 PM)appfan89 Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:42 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:19 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  App is in a better position to bring in P5 schools than most in the Sun Belt with 4 other P5 schools in the state, most of whom aren't on the level of the true powerhouse schools that are in most SBC states. That, combined with 3 other out of state big time P5 schools within 3 hours leads to some great money games.

I'd count five within 4 hours: VT, Tennessee, Georgia, Clemson, and South Carolina. SC still sells over 80,000 tickets per home game despite lacking a strong history of conference championships, and VT may not have as massive a stadium but has won quite a few Big East and ACC championships.

I agree App's location is working it's favor. It is much easier for App to draw a UNC or Wake Forest than it is for Troy, USA, or UAB to draw Alabama or Auburn.

Regardless, Doug Collin is doing such a good job I feel like I should worry some P5 will soon snatch him up. He's a good guy and represents our school well.

Doug Collin? I'm sure you meant Doug Gillin.

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Autocorrect. My bad.

I hate autocorrect. For the most part I am pretty good at spilling.

This looks like a really good get for App.

This would be really cool

man, the WDDITWAA crowd must be having a stroke with this deal. So glad we got rid of them.

(02-14-2017 02:20 AM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  man, the WDDITWAA crowd must be having a stroke with this deal. So glad we got rid of them.

You lost me. Who is that?

That is the we don't do it that way at App leadership from 1990 (or earlier) through 2004.

These "leaders" didn't believe App could be what we are today. From my perspective they knew they didn't have the skills to take us to the next level and thus status quo was good enough.

(02-11-2017 09:26 PM)High Country Student Wrote:  http://www.wataugademocrat.com/sports/ap...6782b.html

I hope this happens for App. It would be a huge get but it's worrisome that it was announced before it is final because this gives the Tar Heal faithful time to cry about it and stop it before it happens. Don't count your chickens before they hatch Mountaineers.

it would be a big money maker for the Heels, the average fan can complain all they want, but App will bring 20,000 plus if they can get the tickets, and will pay premium price, plus, despite the few uneducated Heels fans who think that playing in Boone means playing in front of 22,000, App will pack 35,000 plus, which is more than Wake or GT normally does for their home games with the Heels. I don't worry about the average Heel fan, obviously, they aren't filling their stadium and aren't paying premium ticket prices, if they we're, than the Heels wouldn't be going to Boone, and instead would be paying us extra money to come to Chapel Hill a third time. I will agree with you on one thing, until the deal is signed, there is always the chance something unexpected happens to kill the deal, just think that the odds are relatively good this thing happens.

Ehh, rumors always get out there before an official announcement is made. Fan gripes won't suddenly make UNC officials back out of a deal.

But I do have a real question for Ga Southern fans. And i ensure you this is a legit question, not a dig......what is the true consensus among your fans regarding the lack of success schedule P5s to Paulson? Seems like many fans are agitated that you haven't scheduled a H&H with a P5 yet, whereas the other half seems to say "well we don't want to give up money games to get one". That sounds like an excuse to mask the fact that you really REALLY want one. What gives?

twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

(02-14-2017 09:48 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Ehh, rumors always get out there before an official announcement is made. Fan gripes won't suddenly make UNC officials back out of a deal.

But I do have a real question for Ga Southern fans. And i ensure you this is a legit question, not a dig......what is the true consensus among your fans regarding the lack of success schedule P5s to Paulson? Seems like many fans are agitated that you haven't scheduled a H&H with a P5 yet, whereas the other half seems to say "well we don't want to give up money games to get one". That sounds like an excuse to mask the fact that you really REALLY want one. What gives?

twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

I can't speak for GS, but I think they should attempt to schedule games against private P5 schools and relatively smaller stadium public schools. UGA, Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Florida State: not happening. But a H&H against Vandy, BC, WF, maybe Mizzou, Kentucky, NCSU, TCU, Baylor, Kansas, Iowa State... with a good negotiator, these can be done. GS can pitch access to great southern Georgia football recruiting, much in the way South Alabama did in getting NCSU to come to Mobile.

(02-14-2017 09:48 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Ehh, rumors always get out there before an official announcement is made. Fan gripes won't suddenly make UNC officials back out of a deal.

But I do have a real question for Ga Southern fans. And i ensure you this is a legit question, not a dig......what is the true consensus among your fans regarding the lack of success schedule P5s to Paulson? Seems like many fans are agitated that you haven't scheduled a H&H with a P5 yet, whereas the other half seems to say "well we don't want to give up money games to get one". That sounds like an excuse to mask the fact that you really REALLY want one. What gives?

twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

I personally haven't been too upset about the lack of a P5 on the home schedule but some of our fans do seem obsessed with keeping up with the Jones' so to speak. My gripe is the lack of 6 home games like last season with 2 of the five home games being on a week night I was only able to attend three games in spite of being a season ticket holder. I guess I might be in the minority but I agree with those who say no 2-1 deals just to get a P5 to our place. It seemed that our AD was having trouble scheduling even peer conference teams to begin with but our H&H deals do seem to be improving so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.

I could be wrong, but I thought GS had something in the works with Vanderbilt, need clarification from a GS fan. I think one thing Apps got in their favor, and this isn't a dig at your current AD, but App's AD, in just his second year, have proven that he really knows what he is doing, and really understands how to finalize a deal. I don't think its luck, that the two SBC programs App and Ark St with the two best ADs in the conference, are getting H/H with P5 schools. One thing that bothers me alittle bit is some, not all, GS fans are making excuses for the P5 teams we landed. Miami, they complain just fell in our laps, not quite, yes Miami called and offered just 2 games in Miami, but our AD was smart enough and knew how the game was played to basically tell the Miami AD we get a home game, or no deal at all, Miami AD, laughed at him, hung up, called back a week later, and gave us our home game. Not sure how many other ADs in the conference would have been smart enough, and have the guts to do that. The complaint with Wake, is there a low P5 school, they really don't count. As absurd as that is, the fact are Wake will be a money maker, and renews a rivalry that was one of the best in NC during the 90's, and maybe most importantly, it helped open up the doors to land, hopefully UNC, and probably down the road, NC State and Duke.

(02-14-2017 10:50 AM)moehler Wrote:  I could be wrong, but I thought GS had something in the works with Vanderbilt, need clarification from a GS fan. I think one thing Apps got in their favor, and this isn't a dig at your current AD, but App's AD, in just his second year, have proven that he really knows what he is doing, and really understands how to finalize a deal. I don't think its luck, that the two SBC programs App and Ark St with the two best ADs in the conference, are getting H/H with P5 schools. One thing that bothers me alittle bit is some, not all, GS fans are making excuses for the P5 teams we landed. Miami, they complain just fell in our laps, not quite, yes Miami called and offered just 2 games in Miami, but our AD was smart enough and knew how the game was played to basically tell the Miami AD we get a home game, or no deal at all, Miami AD, laughed at him, hung up, called back a week later, and gave us our home game. Not sure how many other ADs in the conference would have been smart enough, and have the guts to do that. The complaint with Wake, is there a low P5 school, they really don't count. As absurd as that is, the fact are Wake will be a money maker, and renews a rivalry that was one of the best in NC during the 90's, and maybe most importantly, it helped open up the doors to land, hopefully UNC, and probably down the road, NC State and Duke.

I haven't heard anything about Vandy but I have heard we were negotiating at one time with both GT and Rutgers for a H&H. Don't know if those fell through or not but they haven't been announced.

As far as App's P5 scheduling is concerned I think the best way to discribe most GS fans feelings on the subject is: jealous.

(02-14-2017 10:50 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:48 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Ehh, rumors always get out there before an official announcement is made. Fan gripes won't suddenly make UNC officials back out of a deal.

But I do have a real question for Ga Southern fans. And i ensure you this is a legit question, not a dig......what is the true consensus among your fans regarding the lack of success schedule P5s to Paulson? Seems like many fans are agitated that you haven't scheduled a H&H with a P5 yet, whereas the other half seems to say "well we don't want to give up money games to get one". That sounds like an excuse to mask the fact that you really REALLY want one. What gives?

twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

I personally haven't been too upset about the lack of a P5 on the home schedule but some of our fans do seem obsessed with keeping up with the Jones' so to speak. My gripe is the lack of 6 home games like last season with 2 of the five home games being on a week night I was only able to attend three games in spite of being a season ticket holder. I guess I might be in the minority but I agree with those who say no 2-1 deals just to get a P5 to our place. It seemed that our AD was having trouble scheduling even peer conference teams to begin with but our H&H deals do seem to be improving so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.

no offense, I get why you don't want 2-1 deal just to get a P5 to our place, but when you do that your closing the doors on getting P5s to Statesboro on a regular basis. To me, it all about building it one layer at a time, you start with, very low P5 and solid G5, then once you establish you can handle all the logistics on gameday, extra crowd, traffic, etc, and you get that reputation of being a good host, then then it becomes much easier to sell your product to a mid-major, such as the Heels, and then you can start making some real money. The point is, now that Miami came, and other than the score, it was a big success by both fanbases/administrations, and with Wake, ECU, already signed up, the Carolinas, Dukes, and NC States of the world feel much more comfortable giving us a home game, than they did 2 years ago.