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[split] Championships in baseball versus football
Because I thought this needed responding to but in a different thread...

(02-09-2017 10:55 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 10:40 AM)NashvilleEagle Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 07:21 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  Sooner or later some fans will figure out 1AA titles just don't stir the pot over here. More impressed with winning SBC titles and bowl games the new guys have won.

It matters to the people who have won them. I guess only GS and App would understand since the rest of you haven't tasted the sweet taste of a championship at your level (sans Coastal baseball)

You're barking up the wrong tree. I'm glad you enjoyed your JV Champiosnhip, but no one cares about them. You know what is impressive a Div 1 title against 298 teams.

FCS championships measure a program's strengths regardless of whether or not any of you care anything about them. That's why the three teams that made the biggest splashing on moving up are also the three most successful football teams to move up.

Also, baseball is not a huge money-maker for colleges so they do not spend as much on it. That's why it's easier for schools in non-major conferences to be powers. We have baseball parks in the conference that are Power 5 in terms of their quality. You can't say the same thing for football.

Winning a natty in baseball is awesome, but don't try to pretend like it's not a completely different animal than football.

BTW, GS has two CWS appearances which means we are considerably closer to a national championship in the highest level in that sport than any other, although it's not the #1 sport at the school.
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Schools do spend a pretty penny on baseball, not has a whole. But it is a big deal in the South. Look at the palaces in the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, ACC, and the Big Ten. Once again those schools care and spend heavily. We competed against those said schools and won it all. You guys beat schools that don't care enough to compete with FBS schools, but want to have football just for fun. There are just a handful of teams that care about FCS football. Also two CWS appearances don't come close to a national champioships. Coastal is already regarded as a better program just because 1 National Title is better than 12 CWS appearances. But hey, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night

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RE: [split] Championships in baseball versus football
Winning the NCAA Div 1 National Championship in any sport is hard. So congrats to all of the SBC teams that have done it:
GS
App
ULM
Coastal Carolina
Hartwick

Going Beyond that the Chants deserve respect for what they accomplished in Baseball and they rightfully are the team to beat in the SBC this season. What GS, App, stAte or any other SBC team has done in another sport is not relevant to baseball. I say to the Coastal fans here congrats on last baseball season and hold on tight because you have a big target on your backs and the SBC is full of sharpshooters. Now let's play ball!
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(02-09-2017 11:47 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  Schools do spend a pretty penny on baseball, not has a whole. But it is a big deal in the South. Look at the palaces in the SEC, Big 12, Pac 12, ACC, and the Big Ten. Once again those schools care and spend heavily. We competed against those said schools and won it all. You guys beat schools that don't care enough to compete with FBS schools, but want to have football just for fun. There are just a handful of teams that care about FCS football. Also two CWS appearances don't come close to a national champioships. Coastal is already regarded as a better program just because 1 National Title is better than 12 CWS appearances. But hey, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night

We have a football budget that's bottom-of-the-barrel, yet our head football coach makes more money than the vast majority of college baseball head coaches.

Also, it's important to point out that FBS football allows for 83 scholarships, while the number of scholarships you can give in baseball is such that you can't even give out full rides to all of your lineup and your pitching staff.

There is no comparison to the money spent on football and baseball. in general, the more money that is spent on a sport the harder it is for the non-major conference teams to win it. Baseball is definitely not college hockey or bowling but it's far from being football and basketball.

BTW, even most GS fans would not say our baseball is on the same level of Coastal's even before last year, but you seem to be applying football logic that because you won a national championship the gulf between the two baseball programs is the same as there is between GS and Alabama in football, which isn't true.
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Still doesn't change the fact that they're coming of a relevant national championship so they can talk like they're the best in the nation on here. Y'all didn't, that's why no one liked they way y'all came on here. Luckily your team was able to walk the walk for y'all.
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The baseball title for Coastal is more relevant nationally. Most fans can't tell you who won the FCS title in a given year. I don't even know who won this year between JMU and whoever they played.
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(02-09-2017 02:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The baseball title for Coastal is more relevant nationally. Most fans can't tell you who won the FCS title in a given year. I don't even know who won this year between JMU and whoever they played.

Thank you, that is exactly my point. The only people outside of the 10 schools who care about football in the FCS, knew App State and that was just because of the win over Michigan. You are comparing a state title in a spelling bee to a state title in basketball. At the end of the day people know about ours, and when you explain your title they pat you on the head and say "good for you kid" and walk away.
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(02-09-2017 01:56 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Still doesn't change the fact that they're coming of a relevant national championship so they can talk like they're the best in the nation on here. Y'all didn't, that's why no one liked they way y'all came on here. Luckily your team was able to walk the walk for y'all.

It's not our fault that people believe that FCS success is irrelevant to how you will compete right away in a G5 conference, when there's a couple of decades of data that shows that that isn't the case.

(02-09-2017 02:14 PM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 02:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The baseball title for Coastal is more relevant nationally. Most fans can't tell you who won the FCS title in a given year. I don't even know who won this year between JMU and whoever they played.

Thank you, that is exactly my point. The only people outside of the 10 schools who care about football in the FCS, knew App State and that was just because of the win over Michigan. You are comparing a state title in a spelling bee to a state title in basketball. At the end of the day people know about ours, and when you explain your title they pat you on the head and say "good for you kid" and walk away.

No one said anything comparing about how many people know who won the FCS NCG versus who won the CWS.
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How many scholarships can Division 1 schools give to baseball players?? Do most schools at our level give out their entire allotment?
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(02-09-2017 02:47 PM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  How many scholarships can Division 1 schools give to baseball players?? Do most schools at our level give out their entire allotment?


Yes, considering the max is 11.7 scholarships to be divided up between 30 players.
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(02-09-2017 02:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The baseball title for Coastal is more relevant nationally. Most fans can't tell you who won the FCS title in a given year. I don't even know who won this year between JMU and whoever they played.

If it weren't for the coastal fans reminding me, i wouldn't know who won the baseball nc. college baseball doesnt move the needle for 99% of america. I honestly have no idea who they beat last year.
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Hey, I'm not going to say that what you did isn't good, I'm just gonna make sure it's clear that I don't give a crap about it.
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(02-09-2017 03:01 PM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 02:47 PM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  How many scholarships can Division 1 schools give to baseball players?? Do most schools at our level give out their entire allotment?


Yes, considering the max is 11.7 scholarships to be divided up between 30 players.

Thanks. Didn't realize it was that small a number.
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(02-09-2017 02:14 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 01:56 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Still doesn't change the fact that they're coming of a relevant national championship so they can talk like they're the best in the nation on here. Y'all didn't, that's why no one liked they way y'all came on here. Luckily your team was able to walk the walk for y'all.

It's not our fault that people believe that FCS success is irrelevant to how you will compete right away in a G5 conference, when there's a couple of decades of data that shows that that isn't the case.

(02-09-2017 02:14 PM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 02:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The baseball title for Coastal is more relevant nationally. Most fans can't tell you who won the FCS title in a given year. I don't even know who won this year between JMU and whoever they played.

Thank you, that is exactly my point. The only people outside of the 10 schools who care about football in the FCS, knew App State and that was just because of the win over Michigan. You are comparing a state title in a spelling bee to a state title in basketball. At the end of the day people know about ours, and when you explain your title they pat you on the head and say "good for you kid" and walk away.

No one said anything comparing about how many people know who won the FCS NCG versus who won the CWS.


I didn't say anything about FCS success being irrelevant. Hell that's one reason I'm excited about Coastal because from what I remember they were a pretty good FCS team. I was just comparing them justifying their talk on here to the way y'all justified the way y'all talked when y'all first joined.
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(02-09-2017 03:01 PM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  
(02-09-2017 02:47 PM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  How many scholarships can Division 1 schools give to baseball players?? Do most schools at our level give out their entire allotment?


Yes, considering the max is 11.7 scholarships to be divided up between 30 players.

Technically, 27 maximum can receive scholarships. From discussions I've listened to from coaches, each of those receiving scholarships must receive a minimum of 0.25 scholarships. With a maximum roster size of 35 which includes red-shirts, that means eight persons on your team each year get no scholarship or book money. Softball is the same. There are a couple of proposals at the NCAA level right now to alter this in some ways (although not increasing scholarships) which are to allow coaches to determine how they divide up the 11.7 which means 0.07 of a scholarship (which equates to books) would be allowed. Injured players (like Tommy Johns) count against your 27 man scholarships even if they can't play all year. The other items are to allow them to play fall games against outside competition (like softball does), and audio headsets in the catchers helmet.

If you want to listen to a good discussion on the issues, listen to the linked interview with Tony Robichaux. The whole interview is as usual really good for baseball fans, but the relevant part about proposed changes starts at about the 13:00 minute mark.

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My thoughts, for what it's worth....

D1 College baseball and FCS football are about the same as far as national relevance. Sure, it is tougher to win a baseball title against the historically dominant programs, but the 11.7 scholarship limit creates a lot of parity. Not many people can remember who won the FCS title the past 3 years, but I would guess you would find a similar number of people who couldn't list the last 3 CWS champions.

With all that being said, I love college sports and follow the FCS championships as well as the CWS (at different levels). Baseball is by far my favorite college sport. The dynamics change so quickly and you really never know what can happen when you get in the tournaments.
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(02-09-2017 03:13 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  Hey, I'm not going to say that what you did isn't good, I'm just gonna make sure it's clear that I don't give a crap about it.
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