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(02-06-2017 10:39 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
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(02-05-2017 10:04 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  http://sunbeltsports.org/news/2017/2/5/M...73030.aspx

Um, it says Ark. State beat App State in hoops, just like everyone else does. How is that a shot at stAte?

Um, here is the title of the article...

"Georgia Southern, Georgia State and UTA all win to tie atop standings"

Do you see anything wrong with that?

Ah, my fault.

I guess App State has been so bad it's hard to care about the standings for the rest of the league. I didn't even bother checking the standings.

The thing I don't get is why the Sun Belt would have such a grudge against Ark. State, considering how they are as good a representative of the league as anyone, especially when accounting for their relative longevity in the league.

The issue I have here is just simple laziness. When they originally tweeted out the article tagging UTA as the leaders, Our Athletic Department Twitter account was quick to let them know.

The Sun Belt deleted the Tweet and sent out a revised tweet listing us among the leaders, but they never bothered to edit the actual article behind it.

This isn't the first time I have noticed errors in tweets from the Sun Belt office. My guess is they have an unpaid intern running the social media program down there.
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(02-06-2017 09:30 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 09:19 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:49 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:14 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I think it is because they,or at least their fans lay the hate on "King Carl" at every opportunity.

Remember, before any of you newbies got settled in here they were here telling you how horrible he was, and getting you on-board with their "Hate him, fire him" agenda, and I advised you guys not to sign on to their agenda so fast, because what is good for them may not be good for your team.

While it may not be where anyone wants it, it does looks like the SBC has done nothing but get better under his leadership, and the newbies really should have nothing against him.

The SBC has done nothing but get better despite his leadership. I give all credit to the member institutions.

I have no doubt A-State posters have that attitude, and that is the case in every conference.

I'm just saying the posters here who follow the other SBC schools need to evaluate "Kink Carl", as the A-State posters have labeled him, from their schools perspective not A-State's.

I'm sure many may not have the same issue with him, but if Karl had overruled the head of officials to impose a targeting suspension on their player, Fedexed the championship trophy to them, and pushed for a bowl bid for WKU over them when WKU was leaving the conference and they had been co-champs, and after the bylaws were pointed out and linked that stating both champs had to be selected first, they put the bylaws behind password protection, they would probably feel the same way.

All that.

One year the league social media spent the run up to the New Orleans Bowl sending daily posts and tweets with Cajun photos and articles...then went dead silent for the weeks leading up to the GoDaddy with A-State. A-State fans pointed out the disparity but still got nothing.

Selective incompetence or they just don't like us. Either way is worthy of our disdain.

Doesn't matter if the rest of the league notices, agrees, or cares. Just don't be surprised if it rebounds someday.
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(02-06-2017 10:19 AM)lcitsh Wrote:  I'm still looking for the proof that the Sun Belt Conference office has something against Arkansas State. Where is it?
This was just a screw up.

But if you go back to 2012.
Our top defensive player was suspended for the WKU game for targeting. Wasn't called during the game our opponent didn't complain. WKU coaches saw it called the league office calling for the player to be suspended. Supervisor of officials reviews it, says it's a clean play. Commissioner suspended the player for the WKU game. But didn't clear out the email chain showing that the supervisor deemed to a clean play so we got to see the back and forth.

2013.
There is an attempt to place WKU in the Godaddy Bowl. League rules provided that any teams tied for first were guaranteed a spot and there was still a chance AState would tie for first so we complained. Turned out GoDaddy had been told we had another bowl lined up (untrue) and we didn't want to go back to Mobile (untrue). We ended up with the berth and a week later tied for the title.

2015.
During an interview at the Sun Belt Tournament Commissioner before the AState-UALR game states it is best for the conference if UALR women win. Red Wolves are on the bubble UALR is in. Apparently two bids for women's basketball is a bad thing.

2015.
AState clinches the conference outright but had already clinched a share. Commissioner is to come and present the trophy. Doesn't show up. The trophy is FedExed to our basketball arena.... NO SIGNATURE REQUESTED. The trophy is just left by the door.
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(02-06-2017 09:19 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  
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(02-06-2017 08:14 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I think it is because they,or at least their fans lay the hate on "King Carl" at every opportunity.

Remember, before any of you newbies got settled in here they were here telling you how horrible he was, and getting you on-board with their "Hate him, fire him" agenda, and I advised you guys not to sign on to their agenda so fast, because what is good for them may not be good for your team.

While it may not be where anyone wants it, it does looks like the SBC has done nothing but get better under his leadership, and the newbies really should have nothing against him.

The SBC has done nothing but get better despite his leadership. I give all credit to the member institutions.

I have no doubt A-State posters have that attitude, and that is the case in every conference.

I'm just saying the posters here who follow the other SBC schools need to evaluate "Kink Carl", as the A-State posters have labeled him, from their schools perspective not A-State's.

Disgusting. This is a family friendly forum.
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(02-06-2017 09:27 AM)sdcritter Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:49 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:14 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I think it is because they,or at least their fans lay the hate on "King Carl" at every opportunity.

Remember, before any of you newbies got settled in here they were here telling you how horrible he was, and getting you on-board with their "Hate him, fire him" agenda, and I advised you guys not to sign on to their agenda so fast, because what is good for them may not be good for your team.

While it may not be where anyone wants it, it does looks like the SBC has done nothing but get better under his leadership, and the newbies really should have nothing against him.

The SBC has done nothing but get better despite his leadership. I give all credit to the member institutions.


Going to second this. I can't think of a single thing he has initiated to make this a better conference. The move ups of App, GS and now Costal were more about the schools than the conference office. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I feel like what he has done with ESPN thus far has been great. We have gotten to watch our football and basketball teams play live more than CUSA has. Wasn't every single Sun Belt game broadcast on an ESPN platform?

Also, he has done a great job in securing some solid bowls for the Sun Belt.

He was a big factor in inviting App State, Georgia Southern, and Coastal into the Sun Belt. He didn't try convince everyone the SBC needed to go after "markets."

I honestly like what Benson has done thus far. He's not the perfect commish, but he's a hell of a lot better than some other commissioners out there... especially Judy MacLeod of CUSA.
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(02-06-2017 12:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 10:19 AM)lcitsh Wrote:  I'm still looking for the proof that the Sun Belt Conference office has something against Arkansas State. Where is it?
This was just a screw up.

But if you go back to 2012.
Our top defensive player was suspended for the WKU game for targeting. Wasn't called during the game our opponent didn't complain. WKU coaches saw it called the league office calling for the player to be suspended. Supervisor of officials reviews it, says it's a clean play. Commissioner suspended the player for the WKU game. But didn't clear out the email chain showing that the supervisor deemed to a clean play so we got to see the back and forth.

2013.
There is an attempt to place WKU in the Godaddy Bowl. League rules provided that any teams tied for first were guaranteed a spot and there was still a chance AState would tie for first so we complained. Turned out GoDaddy had been told we had another bowl lined up (untrue) and we didn't want to go back to Mobile (untrue). We ended up with the berth and a week later tied for the title.

2015.
During an interview at the Sun Belt Tournament Commissioner before the AState-UALR game states it is best for the conference if UALR women win. Red Wolves are on the bubble UALR is in. Apparently two bids for women's basketball is a bad thing.

2015.
AState clinches the conference outright but had already clinched a share. Commissioner is to come and present the trophy. Doesn't show up. The trophy is FedExed to our basketball arena.... NO SIGNATURE REQUESTED. The trophy is just left by the door.
Geezzz... Think you guys would get the hint and move on.

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(02-06-2017 01:07 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 12:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 10:19 AM)lcitsh Wrote:  I'm still looking for the proof that the Sun Belt Conference office has something against Arkansas State. Where is it?
This was just a screw up.

But if you go back to 2012.
Our top defensive player was suspended for the WKU game for targeting. Wasn't called during the game our opponent didn't complain. WKU coaches saw it called the league office calling for the player to be suspended. Supervisor of officials reviews it, says it's a clean play. Commissioner suspended the player for the WKU game. But didn't clear out the email chain showing that the supervisor deemed to a clean play so we got to see the back and forth.

2013.
There is an attempt to place WKU in the Godaddy Bowl. League rules provided that any teams tied for first were guaranteed a spot and there was still a chance AState would tie for first so we complained. Turned out GoDaddy had been told we had another bowl lined up (untrue) and we didn't want to go back to Mobile (untrue). We ended up with the berth and a week later tied for the title.

2015.
During an interview at the Sun Belt Tournament Commissioner before the AState-UALR game states it is best for the conference if UALR women win. Red Wolves are on the bubble UALR is in. Apparently two bids for women's basketball is a bad thing.

2015.
AState clinches the conference outright but had already clinched a share. Commissioner is to come and present the trophy. Doesn't show up. The trophy is FedExed to our basketball arena.... NO SIGNATURE REQUESTED. The trophy is just left by the door.
Geezzz... Think you guys would get the hint and move on.

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We'd love to move on, but we don't have a big market and no other conference wants us now.
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(02-06-2017 12:43 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 09:27 AM)sdcritter Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:49 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:14 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I think it is because they,or at least their fans lay the hate on "King Carl" at every opportunity.

Remember, before any of you newbies got settled in here they were here telling you how horrible he was, and getting you on-board with their "Hate him, fire him" agenda, and I advised you guys not to sign on to their agenda so fast, because what is good for them may not be good for your team.

While it may not be where anyone wants it, it does looks like the SBC has done nothing but get better under his leadership, and the newbies really should have nothing against him.

The SBC has done nothing but get better despite his leadership. I give all credit to the member institutions.


Going to second this. I can't think of a single thing he has initiated to make this a better conference. The move ups of App, GS and now Costal were more about the schools than the conference office. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I feel like what he has done with ESPN thus far has been great. We have gotten to watch our football and basketball teams play live more than CUSA has. Wasn't every single Sun Belt game broadcast on an ESPN platform?

Also, he has done a great job in securing some solid bowls for the Sun Belt.

He was a big factor in inviting App State, Georgia Southern, and Coastal into the Sun Belt. He didn't try convince everyone the SBC needed to go after "markets."

I honestly like what Benson has done thus far. He's not the perfect commish, but he's a hell of a lot better than some other commissioners out there... especially Judy MacLeod of CUSA.


Benson has very little control of expansion. Presidents do most of it. He gets a lot of undeserved credit for App/GS, but the reality is, he didn't have any say there.

When Benson first joined the league, his argument was that the league should expand immediately, and he got the Presidents to sign off on an "expansion committee" plan, He also got the Presidents to agree to give that committee power to invite a team without going before the rest of the schools.

The expansion committee then went and invited Georgia State. Unfortunately, a large majority of the member schools didn't want the Panthers, but they were admitted because the expansion committee liked them. After that mess, a couple schools bolted for CUSA, and the committee was disbanded by the full body of Presidents. Remaining schools then went and talked to App and Georgia Southern about joining. Georgia State protested quite vehemently to Southern's inclusion, but they were universally ignored, and almost left on the vine without getting the chance to change their vote to yes once outnumbered.

If anything, we make strong expansion choices now because we stopped listening to Benson.
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The story as told to me was that App and GaSo were president initiatives.
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Chiefsfan beat me to it. As for the ESPN connection, that was the bottom tier at the time of the TV contract. No one had heard of ESPN3 at the time and streaming video was something not widely embraced. I consider that pure luck for our conference. And I do appreciate it because I'll be streaming via the Ocho tonight to watch the basketball game!
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(02-06-2017 12:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 10:19 AM)lcitsh Wrote:  I'm still looking for the proof that the Sun Belt Conference office has something against Arkansas State. Where is it?
This was just a screw up.


But it was a Freudian screw up.
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(02-06-2017 12:43 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 09:27 AM)sdcritter Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:49 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:14 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I think it is because they,or at least their fans lay the hate on "King Carl" at every opportunity.

Remember, before any of you newbies got settled in here they were here telling you how horrible he was, and getting you on-board with their "Hate him, fire him" agenda, and I advised you guys not to sign on to their agenda so fast, because what is good for them may not be good for your team.

While it may not be where anyone wants it, it does looks like the SBC has done nothing but get better under his leadership, and the newbies really should have nothing against him.

The SBC has done nothing but get better despite his leadership. I give all credit to the member institutions.


Going to second this. I can't think of a single thing he has initiated to make this a better conference. The move ups of App, GS and now Costal were more about the schools than the conference office. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I feel like what he has done with ESPN thus far has been great. We have gotten to watch our football and basketball teams play live more than CUSA has. Wasn't every single Sun Belt game broadcast on an ESPN platform?

Also, he has done a great job in securing some solid bowls for the Sun Belt.

He was a big factor in inviting App State, Georgia Southern, and Coastal into the Sun Belt. He didn't try convince everyone the SBC needed to go after "markets."

I honestly like what Benson has done thus far. He's not the perfect commish, but he's a hell of a lot better than some other commissioners out there... especially Judy MacLeod of CUSA.

And especially his predecessor as well. He's MUCH better than Wright Waters ever was.
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It's the TV deal signed when Waters was here.
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(02-06-2017 03:29 PM)airtroop Wrote:  And especially his predecessor as well. He's MUCH better than Wright Waters ever was.

This is 100% true. Even though Benson isn't an awesome commish, he is much better than Waters. Wright Waters really sucked at his job.
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So what we've determined from this thread is that King Karl has benefitted from luck, being in the right place at the right time and is better than his predecessor by default?
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(02-06-2017 01:44 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 12:43 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 09:27 AM)sdcritter Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:49 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:14 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I think it is because they,or at least their fans lay the hate on "King Carl" at every opportunity.

Remember, before any of you newbies got settled in here they were here telling you how horrible he was, and getting you on-board with their "Hate him, fire him" agenda, and I advised you guys not to sign on to their agenda so fast, because what is good for them may not be good for your team.

While it may not be where anyone wants it, it does looks like the SBC has done nothing but get better under his leadership, and the newbies really should have nothing against him.

The SBC has done nothing but get better despite his leadership. I give all credit to the member institutions.


Going to second this. I can't think of a single thing he has initiated to make this a better conference. The move ups of App, GS and now Costal were more about the schools than the conference office. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I feel like what he has done with ESPN thus far has been great. We have gotten to watch our football and basketball teams play live more than CUSA has. Wasn't every single Sun Belt game broadcast on an ESPN platform?

Also, he has done a great job in securing some solid bowls for the Sun Belt.

He was a big factor in inviting App State, Georgia Southern, and Coastal into the Sun Belt. He didn't try convince everyone the SBC needed to go after "markets."

I honestly like what Benson has done thus far. He's not the perfect commish, but he's a hell of a lot better than some other commissioners out there... especially Judy MacLeod of CUSA.


Benson has very little control of expansion. Presidents do most of it. He gets a lot of undeserved credit for App/GS, but the reality is, he didn't have any say there.

When Benson first joined the league, his argument was that the league should expand immediately, and he got the Presidents to sign off on an "expansion committee" plan, He also got the Presidents to agree to give that committee power to invite a team without going before the rest of the schools.

The expansion committee then went and invited Georgia State. Unfortunately, a large majority of the member schools didn't want the Panthers, but they were admitted because the expansion committee liked them. After that mess, a couple schools bolted for CUSA, and the committee was disbanded by the full body of Presidents. Remaining schools then went and talked to App and Georgia Southern about joining. Georgia State protested quite vehemently to Southern's inclusion, but they were universally ignored, and almost left on the vine without getting the chance to change their vote to yes once outnumbered.

If anything, we make strong expansion choices now because we stopped listening to Benson.

I see a lot of revisionist history here. Georgia State expansion was necessary because the SBC was getting hammered by CUSA. You were down to 7 FB schools and CUSA wasn't done yet. These other schools weren't just sitting around waiting to join and GSU came along and took their spot. The interest wasn't there. GSU getting the FBS invite sprang Ga Southern into action, which caused App to launch a study, which subsequently made CCU interested. UTA & TX St came after UTSA bolted and WAC football folded, along with NM St and Idaho. You make it sound like we killed your beloved conference but us joining helped save it.
Sure we didn't want GS in because we wanted to be the only option in the state. As I'm sure you would if it was UCA being targeted. I get it, we have a poor fanbase, but we have competed well in olympic sports, been successful annually in men's basketball, and got to a bowl in the first 3 years here. Unlike other's out there, GSU actually has vast potential, a positive trajectory, and is doing things, all around, to compete.
I think you'd like to think you stopped listening to Benson but outside of ignoring his love for Liberty I think he's done a fairly good job of Wrighting a sinking ship (pun intended). The SBC isn't perfect by no means, but we are better off at the moment that that other conference that started this change.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urglg3WimHA

I feel the second verse is applicable to this thread.
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(02-06-2017 08:59 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 01:44 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 12:43 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 09:27 AM)sdcritter Wrote:  
(02-06-2017 08:49 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  The SBC has done nothing but get better despite his leadership. I give all credit to the member institutions.


Going to second this. I can't think of a single thing he has initiated to make this a better conference. The move ups of App, GS and now Costal were more about the schools than the conference office. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I feel like what he has done with ESPN thus far has been great. We have gotten to watch our football and basketball teams play live more than CUSA has. Wasn't every single Sun Belt game broadcast on an ESPN platform?

Also, he has done a great job in securing some solid bowls for the Sun Belt.

He was a big factor in inviting App State, Georgia Southern, and Coastal into the Sun Belt. He didn't try convince everyone the SBC needed to go after "markets."

I honestly like what Benson has done thus far. He's not the perfect commish, but he's a hell of a lot better than some other commissioners out there... especially Judy MacLeod of CUSA.


Benson has very little control of expansion. Presidents do most of it. He gets a lot of undeserved credit for App/GS, but the reality is, he didn't have any say there.

When Benson first joined the league, his argument was that the league should expand immediately, and he got the Presidents to sign off on an "expansion committee" plan, He also got the Presidents to agree to give that committee power to invite a team without going before the rest of the schools.

The expansion committee then went and invited Georgia State. Unfortunately, a large majority of the member schools didn't want the Panthers, but they were admitted because the expansion committee liked them. After that mess, a couple schools bolted for CUSA, and the committee was disbanded by the full body of Presidents. Remaining schools then went and talked to App and Georgia Southern about joining. Georgia State protested quite vehemently to Southern's inclusion, but they were universally ignored, and almost left on the vine without getting the chance to change their vote to yes once outnumbered.

If anything, we make strong expansion choices now because we stopped listening to Benson.

I see a lot of revisionist history here. Georgia State expansion was necessary because the SBC was getting hammered by CUSA. You were down to 7 FB schools and CUSA wasn't done yet. These other schools weren't just sitting around waiting to join and GSU came along and took their spot. The interest wasn't there. GSU getting the FBS invite sprang Ga Southern into action, which caused App to launch a study, which subsequently made CCU interested. UTA & TX St came after UTSA bolted and WAC football folded, along with NM St and Idaho. You make it sound like we killed your beloved conference but us joining helped save it.
Sure we didn't want GS in because we wanted to be the only option in the state. As I'm sure you would if it was UCA being targeted. I get it, we have a poor fanbase, but we have competed well in olympic sports, been successful annually in men's basketball, and got to a bowl in the first 3 years here. Unlike other's out there, GSU actually has vast potential, a positive trajectory, and is doing things, all around, to compete.
I think you'd like to think you stopped listening to Benson but outside of ignoring his love for Liberty I think he's done a fairly good job of Wrighting a sinking ship (pun intended). The SBC isn't perfect by no means, but we are better off at the moment that that other conference that started this change.

I'm just telling you what I know. There was not a lot of support for Georgia State mainly because of the Atlanta issue. Benson felt we needed a warm body, but the conference at the time didn't agree.

Doesn't mean I don't think it worked out fine, but there were of buyers remorse in 2013 and 2014.
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RE: More Proof the SBC has it out for stAte
(02-07-2017 12:13 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
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(02-06-2017 09:27 AM)sdcritter Wrote:  Going to second this. I can't think of a single thing he has initiated to make this a better conference. The move ups of App, GS and now Costal were more about the schools than the conference office. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I feel like what he has done with ESPN thus far has been great. We have gotten to watch our football and basketball teams play live more than CUSA has. Wasn't every single Sun Belt game broadcast on an ESPN platform?

Also, he has done a great job in securing some solid bowls for the Sun Belt.

He was a big factor in inviting App State, Georgia Southern, and Coastal into the Sun Belt. He didn't try convince everyone the SBC needed to go after "markets."

I honestly like what Benson has done thus far. He's not the perfect commish, but he's a hell of a lot better than some other commissioners out there... especially Judy MacLeod of CUSA.


Benson has very little control of expansion. Presidents do most of it. He gets a lot of undeserved credit for App/GS, but the reality is, he didn't have any say there.

When Benson first joined the league, his argument was that the league should expand immediately, and he got the Presidents to sign off on an "expansion committee" plan, He also got the Presidents to agree to give that committee power to invite a team without going before the rest of the schools.

The expansion committee then went and invited Georgia State. Unfortunately, a large majority of the member schools didn't want the Panthers, but they were admitted because the expansion committee liked them. After that mess, a couple schools bolted for CUSA, and the committee was disbanded by the full body of Presidents. Remaining schools then went and talked to App and Georgia Southern about joining. Georgia State protested quite vehemently to Southern's inclusion, but they were universally ignored, and almost left on the vine without getting the chance to change their vote to yes once outnumbered.

If anything, we make strong expansion choices now because we stopped listening to Benson.

I see a lot of revisionist history here. Georgia State expansion was necessary because the SBC was getting hammered by CUSA. You were down to 7 FB schools and CUSA wasn't done yet. These other schools weren't just sitting around waiting to join and GSU came along and took their spot. The interest wasn't there. GSU getting the FBS invite sprang Ga Southern into action, which caused App to launch a study, which subsequently made CCU interested. UTA & TX St came after UTSA bolted and WAC football folded, along with NM St and Idaho. You make it sound like we killed your beloved conference but us joining helped save it.
Sure we didn't want GS in because we wanted to be the only option in the state. As I'm sure you would if it was UCA being targeted. I get it, we have a poor fanbase, but we have competed well in olympic sports, been successful annually in men's basketball, and got to a bowl in the first 3 years here. Unlike other's out there, GSU actually has vast potential, a positive trajectory, and is doing things, all around, to compete.
I think you'd like to think you stopped listening to Benson but outside of ignoring his love for Liberty I think he's done a fairly good job of Wrighting a sinking ship (pun intended). The SBC isn't perfect by no means, but we are better off at the moment that that other conference that started this change.

I'm just telling you what I know. There was not a lot of support for Georgia State mainly because of the Atlanta issue. Benson felt we needed a warm body, but the conference at the time didn't agree.

Doesn't mean I don't think it worked out fine, but there were of buyers remorse in 2013 and 2014.

I still believe it to be a stupid move.
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RE: More Proof the SBC has it out for stAte
I think Ga State worked out well. Any time you add a member who picks up more than the guaranteed unit, be happy.

But the circumstances of the addition caused a great deal of stress within the league. It wasn't an expansion done under the normal procedure (a committee was empowered to extend invitations, those not on the committee felt that power was limited to inviting a couple of specific institutions and thought Ga State should have been taken to a full vote). I tend to suspect that had the committee presented its case for Georgia State they would have been admitted. It just didn't sit well because of the process.

The rumor (I've never asked our guy in the room and he is now gone) was that the next two put forward were Liberty and EKU and AState and others asked about App and Ga Southern and delayed the vote until there was an opportunity for intra-presidential talks between Sun Belt members and the two and those talks were obviously productive.
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