(01-30-2017 03:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 08:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  You just never give up do you?
NC State and Va. Tech are not moving to the SEC PERIOD. Dream all you want, but it just isn't going to happen.
A re-formed "old ACC" would be ideal. Virginia Tech could fill the Maryland role in a 9 team division. (along with UVa, Carolina, Dook, State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Florida State). If we went to ten, Maryland or South Carolina could easily fill that spot.

You may want to start thinking in terms of a 15 team SEC.
Add Texas and Texas Tech and allow Missouri to go to the B1G as their number 15.
The PAC could then pick up Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas.
West Virginia or Notre Dame full time for the ACC (my bet is that the Irish stay semi-independent).

Neither are any ACC schools merging with the Big Ten, but that's another story.

For that matter, Missouri isn't leaving. South Carolina isn't leaving either.

But as Journey once sung, "Don't Stop Believin'"

I think he's only right about 1 thing, 15. If we have to wait 7 years for the Big 12 GOR to end then we likely finish things out with 15. I could see Kansas going Big 10, OU going SEC, and Texas heading to the PAC with Tech and 1 other Texas school in tow. N.D. goes all in with the ACC and we're done.

The saddest part of all of this is that the other schools of the Big 12 had a window when package deals might have been made. UT's reluctance to make a decision has now negated most of that. The Big 10, SEC and PAC will simply wait for who they want and will maximize their profits in doing so. The days to get package deals are most likely dead now.

Divisions of 5 can be very regionally specific.
In your division JR, there would be Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, A&M and Oklahoma, that's pretty compact (in my version: Texas, Texas Tech, LSU, A&M and Arkansas).

15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 08:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  You just never give up do you?
NC State and Va. Tech are not moving to the SEC PERIOD. Dream all you want, but it just isn't going to happen.
A re-formed "old ACC" would be ideal. Virginia Tech could fill the Maryland role in a 9 team division. (along with UVa, Carolina, Dook, State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Florida State). If we went to ten, Maryland or South Carolina could easily fill that spot.

You may want to start thinking in terms of a 15 team SEC.
Add Texas and Texas Tech and allow Missouri to go to the B1G as their number 15.
The PAC could then pick up Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas.
West Virginia or Notre Dame full time for the ACC (my bet is that the Irish stay semi-independent).

Neither are any ACC schools merging with the Big Ten, but that's another story.

For that matter, Missouri isn't leaving. South Carolina isn't leaving either.

But as Journey once sung, "Don't Stop Believin'"

I think he's only right about 1 thing, 15. If we have to wait 7 years for the Big 12 GOR to end then we likely finish things out with 15. I could see Kansas going Big 10, OU going SEC, and Texas heading to the PAC with Tech and 1 other Texas school in tow. N.D. goes all in with the ACC and we're done.

The saddest part of all of this is that the other schools of the Big 12 had a window when package deals might have been made. UT's reluctance to make a decision has now negated most of that. The Big 10, SEC and PAC will simply wait for who they want and will maximize their profits in doing so. The days to get package deals are most likely dead now.

Divisions of 5 can be very regionally specific.
In your division JR, there would be Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, A&M and Oklahoma, that's pretty compact (in my version: Texas, Texas Tech, LSU, A&M and Arkansas).

15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Sorry to keep pushing Missouri to the B1G.....but it just makes so much sense. I amended my earlier post to include Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC with Missouri to the B1G (both at 15) and the PAC taking Texas, Texas Tech and Kansas (15). If those things happen then the ACC will take West Virginia and Notre Dame keeps their semi status (this actually allows NBC to stay in college football broadcasting).
That's 4 x 15 plus Notre Dame.
This, I think is as good as possible.

(01-30-2017 05:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Neither are any ACC schools merging with the Big Ten, but that's another story.

For that matter, Missouri isn't leaving. South Carolina isn't leaving either.

But as Journey once sung, "Don't Stop Believin'"

I think he's only right about 1 thing, 15. If we have to wait 7 years for the Big 12 GOR to end then we likely finish things out with 15. I could see Kansas going Big 10, OU going SEC, and Texas heading to the PAC with Tech and 1 other Texas school in tow. N.D. goes all in with the ACC and we're done.

The saddest part of all of this is that the other schools of the Big 12 had a window when package deals might have been made. UT's reluctance to make a decision has now negated most of that. The Big 10, SEC and PAC will simply wait for who they want and will maximize their profits in doing so. The days to get package deals are most likely dead now.

Divisions of 5 can be very regionally specific.
In your division JR, there would be Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, A&M and Oklahoma, that's pretty compact (in my version: Texas, Texas Tech, LSU, A&M and Arkansas).

15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Sorry to keep pushing Missouri to the B1G.....but it just makes so much sense. I amended my earlier post to include Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC with Missouri to the B1G (both at 15) and the PAC taking Texas, Texas Tech and Kansas (15). If those things happen then the ACC will take West Virginia and Notre Dame keeps their semi status (this actually allows NBC to stay in college football broadcasting).
That's 4 x 15 plus Notre Dame.
This, I think is as good as possible.

To me the ideal 15 has no little brother's in it and no additional moves beyond those of current Big 12 schools. I think "as good as possible" is an apt modifier for what you suggest. I could see the SEC acquiescing to a Missouri move if we were landing Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I don't see that if we are just landing the two Oklahoma's. If it is just the two Oklahoma's I think we move to 16.

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 08:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  You just never give up do you?
NC State and Va. Tech are not moving to the SEC PERIOD. Dream all you want, but it just isn't going to happen.
A re-formed "old ACC" would be ideal. Virginia Tech could fill the Maryland role in a 9 team division. (along with UVa, Carolina, Dook, State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Florida State). If we went to ten, Maryland or South Carolina could easily fill that spot.

You may want to start thinking in terms of a 15 team SEC.
Add Texas and Texas Tech and allow Missouri to go to the B1G as their number 15.
The PAC could then pick up Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas.
West Virginia or Notre Dame full time for the ACC (my bet is that the Irish stay semi-independent).

Neither are any ACC schools merging with the Big Ten, but that's another story.

For that matter, Missouri isn't leaving. South Carolina isn't leaving either.

But as Journey once sung, "Don't Stop Believin'"

I think he's only right about 1 thing, 15. If we have to wait 7 years for the Big 12 GOR to end then we likely finish things out with 15. I could see Kansas going Big 10, OU going SEC, and Texas heading to the PAC with Tech and 1 other Texas school in tow. N.D. goes all in with the ACC and we're done.

The saddest part of all of this is that the other schools of the Big 12 had a window when package deals might have been made. UT's reluctance to make a decision has now negated most of that. The Big 10, SEC and PAC will simply wait for who they want and will maximize their profits in doing so. The days to get package deals are most likely dead now.

Divisions of 5 can be very regionally specific.
In your division JR, there would be Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, A&M and Oklahoma, that's pretty compact (in my version: Texas, Texas Tech, LSU, A&M and Arkansas).

15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Connecticut has people and access to NYC....Iowa has lots of corn and the flagship university is already a B1G member.

(01-30-2017 08:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Neither are any ACC schools merging with the Big Ten, but that's another story.

For that matter, Missouri isn't leaving. South Carolina isn't leaving either.

But as Journey once sung, "Don't Stop Believin'"

I think he's only right about 1 thing, 15. If we have to wait 7 years for the Big 12 GOR to end then we likely finish things out with 15. I could see Kansas going Big 10, OU going SEC, and Texas heading to the PAC with Tech and 1 other Texas school in tow. N.D. goes all in with the ACC and we're done.

The saddest part of all of this is that the other schools of the Big 12 had a window when package deals might have been made. UT's reluctance to make a decision has now negated most of that. The Big 10, SEC and PAC will simply wait for who they want and will maximize their profits in doing so. The days to get package deals are most likely dead now.

Divisions of 5 can be very regionally specific.
In your division JR, there would be Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, A&M and Oklahoma, that's pretty compact (in my version: Texas, Texas Tech, LSU, A&M and Arkansas).

15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Connecticut has people and access to NYC....Iowa has lots of corn and the flagship university is already a B1G member.

Yeah, but they're Northern Midwestern Yankees. So....they would fit right in. Heh, heh!

(01-30-2017 09:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 08:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I think he's only right about 1 thing, 15. If we have to wait 7 years for the Big 12 GOR to end then we likely finish things out with 15. I could see Kansas going Big 10, OU going SEC, and Texas heading to the PAC with Tech and 1 other Texas school in tow. N.D. goes all in with the ACC and we're done.

The saddest part of all of this is that the other schools of the Big 12 had a window when package deals might have been made. UT's reluctance to make a decision has now negated most of that. The Big 10, SEC and PAC will simply wait for who they want and will maximize their profits in doing so. The days to get package deals are most likely dead now.

Divisions of 5 can be very regionally specific.
In your division JR, there would be Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, A&M and Oklahoma, that's pretty compact (in my version: Texas, Texas Tech, LSU, A&M and Arkansas).

15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Connecticut has people and access to NYC....Iowa has lots of corn and the flagship university is already a B1G member.

Yeah, but they're Northern Midwestern Yankees. So....they would fit right in. Heh, heh!

Ames?

(01-30-2017 09:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 09:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 08:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  Divisions of 5 can be very regionally specific.
In your division JR, there would be Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, A&M and Oklahoma, that's pretty compact (in my version: Texas, Texas Tech, LSU, A&M and Arkansas).

15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Connecticut has people and access to NYC....Iowa has lots of corn and the flagship university is already a B1G member.

Yeah, but they're Northern Midwestern Yankees. So....they would fit right in. Heh, heh!

Ames?

Population 62,000 S-A-L-U-T-E!!! Hee-Haw!

(01-30-2017 05:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I think he's only right about 1 thing, 15. If we have to wait 7 years for the Big 12 GOR to end then we likely finish things out with 15. I could see Kansas going Big 10, OU going SEC, and Texas heading to the PAC with Tech and 1 other Texas school in tow. N.D. goes all in with the ACC and we're done.

The saddest part of all of this is that the other schools of the Big 12 had a window when package deals might have been made. UT's reluctance to make a decision has now negated most of that. The Big 10, SEC and PAC will simply wait for who they want and will maximize their profits in doing so. The days to get package deals are most likely dead now.

Divisions of 5 can be very regionally specific.
In your division JR, there would be Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, A&M and Oklahoma, that's pretty compact (in my version: Texas, Texas Tech, LSU, A&M and Arkansas).

15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Sorry to keep pushing Missouri to the B1G.....but it just makes so much sense. I amended my earlier post to include Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC with Missouri to the B1G (both at 15) and the PAC taking Texas, Texas Tech and Kansas (15). If those things happen then the ACC will take West Virginia and Notre Dame keeps their semi status (this actually allows NBC to stay in college football broadcasting).
That's 4 x 15 plus Notre Dame.
This, I think is as good as possible.

To me the ideal 15 has no little brother's in it and no additional moves beyond those of current Big 12 schools. I think "as good as possible" is an apt modifier for what you suggest. I could see the SEC acquiescing to a Missouri move if we were landing Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I don't see that if we are just landing the two Oklahoma's. If it is just the two Oklahoma's I think we move to 16.

So the SEC is going to dump Auburn, Mississippi State and Texas A&M to get rid of "little brothers"?

(01-31-2017 08:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 03:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  Divisions of 5 can be very regionally specific.
In your division JR, there would be Missouri, Arkansas, LSU, A&M and Oklahoma, that's pretty compact (in my version: Texas, Texas Tech, LSU, A&M and Arkansas).

15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Sorry to keep pushing Missouri to the B1G.....but it just makes so much sense. I amended my earlier post to include Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC with Missouri to the B1G (both at 15) and the PAC taking Texas, Texas Tech and Kansas (15). If those things happen then the ACC will take West Virginia and Notre Dame keeps their semi status (this actually allows NBC to stay in college football broadcasting).
That's 4 x 15 plus Notre Dame.
This, I think is as good as possible.

To me the ideal 15 has no little brother's in it and no additional moves beyond those of current Big 12 schools. I think "as good as possible" is an apt modifier for what you suggest. I could see the SEC acquiescing to a Missouri move if we were landing Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I don't see that if we are just landing the two Oklahoma's. If it is just the two Oklahoma's I think we move to 16.

So the SEC is going to dump Auburn, Mississippi State and Texas A&M to get rid of "little brothers"?

No. There is an effort underway to rename the state "Auburn" and to kick Alabama out.

(01-31-2017 09:17 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 08:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Sorry to keep pushing Missouri to the B1G.....but it just makes so much sense. I amended my earlier post to include Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC with Missouri to the B1G (both at 15) and the PAC taking Texas, Texas Tech and Kansas (15). If those things happen then the ACC will take West Virginia and Notre Dame keeps their semi status (this actually allows NBC to stay in college football broadcasting).
That's 4 x 15 plus Notre Dame.
This, I think is as good as possible.

To me the ideal 15 has no little brother's in it and no additional moves beyond those of current Big 12 schools. I think "as good as possible" is an apt modifier for what you suggest. I could see the SEC acquiescing to a Missouri move if we were landing Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I don't see that if we are just landing the two Oklahoma's. If it is just the two Oklahoma's I think we move to 16.

So the SEC is going to dump Auburn, Mississippi State and Texas A&M to get rid of "little brothers"?

No. There is an effort underway to rename the state "Auburn" and to kick Alabama out.

That singly is the greatest idea that I have ever read on here!

(01-31-2017 09:17 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 08:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  15 is optimum from a payout standpoint. It may not be practical for landing either Texas or Oklahoma. Kansas has much less ability to drag along another. What we could wind up with are two P conferences of 15 and two P conferences of 16.

Just for the sake of argument let's say the SEC is determined to land OU so they can sew up the DFW demographic. If we could take one school to accomplish that it of course would be Texas. I doubt they join any conference where they have fewer than two other Texas schools to play. If it is Oklahoma they give us that market, but they, like Texas also give us brand content multipliers. They can probably get us to take a little brother.

So, let's say the SEC has to take OSU to get OU and that finishes us off at 16. Let's also say that ESPN gets some PAC concessions and Texas heads West. I think they take T.CU., Texas Tech, and Kansas with them. The ACC can go to 15 with WVU and keep N.D. as a partial, or they can get N.D. to commit and either stick at 15 or take W.V.U. to get to 16. There are some good football reasons to take the Eers and their basketball isn't bad either. The Big 10 is the one in the sticky wicket if this happens. They have Connecticut and Iowa State to pick from. I think they would consider the Huskies for more of a New England presence and that would give them some market appeal in Boston as well. Fifteen might suit them just fine, if not at least ISU is AAU.

But, I was serious when I said package deals may be deuce difficult to pull off now. We'll see.

Sorry to keep pushing Missouri to the B1G.....but it just makes so much sense. I amended my earlier post to include Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC with Missouri to the B1G (both at 15) and the PAC taking Texas, Texas Tech and Kansas (15). If those things happen then the ACC will take West Virginia and Notre Dame keeps their semi status (this actually allows NBC to stay in college football broadcasting).
That's 4 x 15 plus Notre Dame.
This, I think is as good as possible.

To me the ideal 15 has no little brother's in it and no additional moves beyond those of current Big 12 schools. I think "as good as possible" is an apt modifier for what you suggest. I could see the SEC acquiescing to a Missouri move if we were landing Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I don't see that if we are just landing the two Oklahoma's. If it is just the two Oklahoma's I think we move to 16.

So the SEC is going to dump Auburn, Mississippi State and Texas A&M to get rid of "little brothers"?

No. There is an effort underway to rename the state "Auburn" and to kick Alabama out.

Wait, I thought Auburn was in Georgia???

(02-01-2017 05:59 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 09:17 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 08:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:45 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:36 PM)XLance Wrote:  Sorry to keep pushing Missouri to the B1G.....but it just makes so much sense. I amended my earlier post to include Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the SEC with Missouri to the B1G (both at 15) and the PAC taking Texas, Texas Tech and Kansas (15). If those things happen then the ACC will take West Virginia and Notre Dame keeps their semi status (this actually allows NBC to stay in college football broadcasting).
That's 4 x 15 plus Notre Dame.
This, I think is as good as possible.

To me the ideal 15 has no little brother's in it and no additional moves beyond those of current Big 12 schools. I think "as good as possible" is an apt modifier for what you suggest. I could see the SEC acquiescing to a Missouri move if we were landing Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I don't see that if we are just landing the two Oklahoma's. If it is just the two Oklahoma's I think we move to 16.

So the SEC is going to dump Auburn, Mississippi State and Texas A&M to get rid of "little brothers"?

No. There is an effort underway to rename the state "Auburn" and to kick Alabama out.

Wait, I thought Auburn was in Georgia???

It almost is!

How about this?

21 = 3 divisions of 7


SEC takes Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, and West Virginia


West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State

Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn

East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, West Virginia


You play 6 division mates, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 2 divisions, and 1 rotating game from each of the other divisions. That's a total of 10.

(02-01-2017 11:53 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about this?

21 = 3 divisions of 7


SEC takes Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, and West Virginia


West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State

Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn

East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, West Virginia


You play 6 division mates, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 2 divisions, and 1 rotating game from each of the other divisions. That's a total of 10.

You know, I've played around with a lot of different lineups, but I've never considered 21. From a natural grouping standpoint that is really rather intriguing. Missouri moves West. The 7 coming in from the Big 12 essentially keep the core of their conference as a division, and in this scenario West Virginia fits in without taking a key component to the West out of the picture.

The only thing I would disagree with is the scheduling arrangement. Why not with 21, just play 1 permanent rival and rotate two from the other two divisions. That's 11 conference games and you play everyone every 4 years. Permanent opponents unbalance the strength of conference schedules a little too much the more schools you schedule that way.

(02-02-2017 10:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 11:53 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about this?

21 = 3 divisions of 7


SEC takes Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, and West Virginia


West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State

Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn

East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, West Virginia


You play 6 division mates, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 2 divisions, and 1 rotating game from each of the other divisions. That's a total of 10.

You know, I've played around with a lot of different lineups, but I've never considered 21. From a natural grouping standpoint that is really rather intriguing. Missouri moves West. The 7 coming in from the Big 12 essentially keep the core of their conference as a division, and in this scenario West Virginia fits in without taking a key component to the West out of the picture.

The only thing I would disagree with is the scheduling arrangement. Why not with 21, just play 1 permanent rival and rotate two from the other two divisions. That's 11 conference games and you play everyone every 4 years. Permanent opponents unbalance the strength of conference schedules a little too much the more schools you schedule that way.

Good with me. It would be a little odd in some respects because you'd be playing the members of one division more often than that of another. It would probably work though.

The other odd thing is that at least one school would have to be off every week with an odd number of teams.

(02-01-2017 11:53 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about this?

21 = 3 divisions of 7


SEC takes Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, and West Virginia


West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State

Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn

East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, West Virginia


You play 6 division mates, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 2 divisions, and 1 rotating game from each of the other divisions. That's a total of 10.

For someone that was pooh-poohing the idea of a B1G/ACC merger, what do you think will happen if the best of the Big 12 merges with the SEC? Yep!
The ACC and B1G will be there for each other.

(02-02-2017 12:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 11:53 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about this?

21 = 3 divisions of 7


SEC takes Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, and West Virginia


West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State

Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn

East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, West Virginia


You play 6 division mates, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 2 divisions, and 1 rotating game from each of the other divisions. That's a total of 10.

For someone that was pooh-poohing the idea of a B1G/ACC merger, what do you think will happen if the best of the Big 12 merges with the SEC? Yep!
The ACC and B1G will be there for each other.

So? But I really don't think that the networks or the conferences want to head in that direction. It would basically minimize the PAC and that cuts off large markets and revenue.

We will still need to keep regionalism. So, if we move toward mergers I would still believe that the ACC/SEC plus Texas / Texas Tech, Oklahoma & Oklahoma State minus 1 is more likely.

Then essentially you would have the SWC/SEC/ACC vs the Big10/Big8/PAC. Why? It keeps everyone pitted against each other at the end of the year, and it forces the true fans to keep up with the rival league as well as their own.

(02-02-2017 12:37 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 11:53 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  How about this?

21 = 3 divisions of 7


SEC takes Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, and West Virginia


West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State

Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn

East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, West Virginia


You play 6 division mates, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 2 divisions, and 1 rotating game from each of the other divisions. That's a total of 10.

For someone that was pooh-poohing the idea of a B1G/ACC merger, what do you think will happen if the best of the Big 12 merges with the SEC? Yep!
The ACC and B1G will be there for each other.

I pooh-pooh it because it won't happen. The ACC is owned by ESPN. If Disney was interested in selling out to the Big Ten then there would never have been a ACC GOR or an ACCN. That and plenty of ACC schools would rather partner with their more natural rivals in the SEC as opposed to the Big Ten.

(01-22-2017 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  Realignment had come down to this:
Texas is not going to budge.
The only way to entice Oklahoma to break up the Big 12 is to also agree to take Oklahoma State.
It does not appear like the PAC or B1G are willing to do so and if the SEC takes both will they lose out on their opportunity to secure Texas, their dream.
The double switch, where the SEC was to take Texas, TT, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State was predicated on the B1G getting Missouri and the ACC taking South Carolina no longer seems to be an option.
And so we sit.....like a Mexican standoff

The question still remains.......would the SEC invite Oklahoma State in conjunction with an invitation to Oklahoma?
Is keeping the Sooners out of the B1G that important to ESPN?
The PAC has shown no indication that they are willing to bend over for either Texas or Oklahoma. So if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State move to the SEC.....what happens to Texas?

(02-20-2017 08:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  Realignment had come down to this:
Texas is not going to budge.
The only way to entice Oklahoma to break up the Big 12 is to also agree to take Oklahoma State.
It does not appear like the PAC or B1G are willing to do so and if the SEC takes both will they lose out on their opportunity to secure Texas, their dream.
The double switch, where the SEC was to take Texas, TT, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State was predicated on the B1G getting Missouri and the ACC taking South Carolina no longer seems to be an option.
And so we sit.....like a Mexican standoff

The question still remains.......would the SEC invite Oklahoma State in conjunction with an invitation to Oklahoma?
Is keeping the Sooners out of the B1G that important to ESPN?
The PAC has shown no indication that they are willing to bend over for either Texas or Oklahoma. So if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State move to the SEC.....what happens to Texas?

It doesn't matter at that point, at least not to the SEC. With A&M and Oklahoma we have Texas. We have all of Texas's key rivals. We don't need the Horns. We have their markets and over time we will have many of the Texas T-shirt fans via the Aggies and Sooners as they convert to watch Arkansas, Oklahoma and A&M play it out annually. In fact X it doesn't matter at that point whether the Horns go independent, rebuild the old SWC, head to the Big 10 / PAC / or ACC.

What happens to Texas at that point is only an ESPN concern. Maybe Oklahoma State is a small price to pay for not having to put up with Texas.