(01-23-2017 12:38 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:09 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 09:26 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
According to Scout.com we just lost Ali Fayad to Western. How do we lose players the last week of recruiting? Especially, since he was one of our recruits going back to July. Well I do not wish him success.

Go back and start at Post 67 in this thread Ken.

How do we lose players you ask? How do we rank at the bottom of the MAC in recruiting?..............

.........our staff is not very good at recruiting!

ETough, I respect your insight very much but I wouldn't say CC is not good at recruiting. Let this season play out and then we'll know. I think CC has brought in some talented players and coaches. In fact, the WMU game would have been interesting if Turner didn't fumble on the five yard line. In my opinion, we have the Top QB returning with talented RBs and WRs. On defense we were young last year but return what 7 of 11 players. We are going to win 7 games next season and sign a great class for 2018.

I can not knock CC yet because I hear great things are in store for next year's team. I hear CC is a tireless worker....Let it play out.

I am not knocking CC. I have laid out my case about our recruiting, next year's team, and the next 3-4 years very clearly. Results don't lie, it is what it is. Our class this year will be bottom 3 or 4 in MAC, and our class next year will be the same.

Only way we stay competitive is to keep bringing in the Juco's.

Looking forward to next year.

Our program has been so down for so long - it will take sustained success on the field for the next two years AT LEAST to make a dent here in Michigan. I also can see that CC gets a maximum return out of the kids he's recruited.

Also looking forward to next year.

(01-23-2017 09:26 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
According to Scout.com we just lost Ali Fayad to Western. How do we lose players the last week of recruiting? Especially, since he was one of our recruits going back to July. Well I do not wish him success.

His only other offer was SVSU (D2). No loss.

(01-23-2017 03:37 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 09:26 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
According to Scout.com we just lost Ali Fayad to Western. How do we lose players the last week of recruiting? Especially, since he was one of our recruits going back to July. Well I do not wish him success.

His only other offer was SVSU (D2). No loss.

BTW, 'Nickle, reminds me that we are due, soon, so see the rankings from Detnews and Freep of MI h.s. seniors.

Curious where he will be ranked? Think he had a good senior year.

(01-23-2017 04:08 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 03:37 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 09:26 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
According to Scout.com we just lost Ali Fayad to Western. How do we lose players the last week of recruiting? Especially, since he was one of our recruits going back to July. Well I do not wish him success.

His only other offer was SVSU (D2). No loss.

BTW, 'Nickle, reminds me that we are due, soon, so see the rankings from Detnews and Freep of MI h.s. seniors.

Curious where he will be ranked? Think he had a good senior year.

Exactly what I said Nickle, plus he's too small to play D1 DE.

These newspaper rankings mean very little as well. Look at a kids offers and that will tell you a lot about whether or not D1 and P5 coaches think a kid can play at the next level. I think this kid had 20 sacks, but only 1 other D2 offer. What that tells you is the newspaper guys love his 'stats', but the D1 coaches don't think his 6'2 frame translates to the next level.

Sure we'll get lucky with some of these no offer, or D2 offer guys, but the probabilities say it's the multi D1 offer guys that will translate to success at the MAC level.

This is what a championship MAC recruiting class looks like:

https://toledo.rivals.com/commitments/football/2017

When ours is anywhere in this ballpark, I'll raise my expectations to the MAC championships level. This is only #70 in the country by the way.

Northern Illinois won the MAC West 6 years in a row, from 2010 to 2015, with three conference championships and one BCS bowl appearance in that span. Here were their "recruiting rankings" in the MAC in those years, per 247 Sports (best MAC recruiting site, in my opinion):

2010: 8th
2011: 6th
2012: 9th
2013: 3rd
2014: 4th
2015: 3rd

So a team that never had the best, or even 2nd best, recruiting class dominated the conference in that same span. Are they an outlier? Sure. But they are also proof that development is more important than offers and stars. We've recruited plenty of kids (especially in the English era) that had tons of offers who never panned out. Remember Quincy Jones? Jaleel Canty? Juwan Lewis? Hell, Lewis had offers from basically the entire conference and couldn't see the field because guys like Bronson Hill, Darius Jackson, and Ryan Brumfield (all with no other D1 offers, mind you) were better. This is why I stopped following recruiting. We have no clue which of these kids is going to be a player or not.

Next season will be a good test for Creighton. It will be team made up largely of his recruits. I believe only Roback, Spearman, and Barnes are key players returning that were English recruits. I'm most curious to see the offensive line, which is going from 4/5 starters being English guys (heavily under-recruited guys too, mind you) to it being entirely Creighton's. Our skill positions will be led by Dieuly Aristilde, Shaq Vann, Ian Eriksen, Sergio Bailey, and Johnny Niupalau...all of whom had one collective D1 offer before coming here. Let's see what our coaches can do with these recruits before writing off the class as "not good enough".

https://twitter.com/MAC_Crootin/status/8...9672958977

(01-23-2017 05:16 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Northern Illinois won the MAC West 6 years in a row, from 2010 to 2015, with three conference championships and one BCS bowl appearance in that span. Here were their "recruiting rankings" in the MAC in those years, per 247 Sports (best MAC recruiting site, in my opinion):

2010: 8th
2011: 6th
2012: 9th
2013: 3rd
2014: 4th
2015: 3rd

So a team that never had the best, or even 2nd best, recruiting class dominated the conference in that same span. Are they an outlier? Sure. But they are also proof that development is more important than offers and stars. We've recruited plenty of kids (especially in the English era) that had tons of offers who never panned out. Remember Quincy Jones? Jaleel Canty? Juwan Lewis? Hell, Lewis had offers from basically the entire conference and couldn't see the field because guys like Bronson Hill, Darius Jackson, and Ryan Brumfield (all with no other D1 offers, mind you) were better. This is why I stopped following recruiting. We have no clue which of these kids is going to be a player or not.

Next season will be a good test for Creighton. It will be team made up largely of his recruits. I believe only Roback, Spearman, and Barnes are key players returning that were English recruits. I'm most curious to see the offensive line, which is going from 4/5 starters being English guys (heavily under-recruited guys too, mind you) to it being entirely Creighton's. Our skill positions will be led by Dieuly Aristilde, Shaq Vann, Ian Eriksen, Sergio Bailey, and Johnny Niupalau...all of whom had one collective D1 offer before coming here. Let's see what our coaches can do with these recruits before writing off the class as "not good enough".

Great point Steve!

(01-23-2017 06:27 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 05:16 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Northern Illinois won the MAC West 6 years in a row, from 2010 to 2015, with three conference championships and one BCS bowl appearance in that span. Here were their "recruiting rankings" in the MAC in those years, per 247 Sports (best MAC recruiting site, in my opinion):

2010: 8th
2011: 6th
2012: 9th
2013: 3rd
2014: 4th
2015: 3rd

So a team that never had the best, or even 2nd best, recruiting class dominated the conference in that same span. Are they an outlier? Sure. But they are also proof that development is more important than offers and stars. We've recruited plenty of kids (especially in the English era) that had tons of offers who never panned out. Remember Quincy Jones? Jaleel Canty? Juwan Lewis? Hell, Lewis had offers from basically the entire conference and couldn't see the field because guys like Bronson Hill, Darius Jackson, and Ryan Brumfield (all with no other D1 offers, mind you) were better. This is why I stopped following recruiting. We have no clue which of these kids is going to be a player or not.

Next season will be a good test for Creighton. It will be team made up largely of his recruits. I believe only Roback, Spearman, and Barnes are key players returning that were English recruits. I'm most curious to see the offensive line, which is going from 4/5 starters being English guys (heavily under-recruited guys too, mind you) to it being entirely Creighton's. Our skill positions will be led by Dieuly Aristilde, Shaq Vann, Ian Eriksen, Sergio Bailey, and Johnny Niupalau...all of whom had one collective D1 offer before coming here. Let's see what our coaches can do with these recruits before writing off the class as "not good enough".

Great point Steve!

Actually it should be Sam getting credit for the post.

(01-23-2017 07:11 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 06:27 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 05:16 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Northern Illinois won the MAC West 6 years in a row, from 2010 to 2015, with three conference championships and one BCS bowl appearance in that span. Here were their "recruiting rankings" in the MAC in those years, per 247 Sports (best MAC recruiting site, in my opinion):

2010: 8th
2011: 6th
2012: 9th
2013: 3rd
2014: 4th
2015: 3rd

So a team that never had the best, or even 2nd best, recruiting class dominated the conference in that same span. Are they an outlier? Sure. But they are also proof that development is more important than offers and stars. We've recruited plenty of kids (especially in the English era) that had tons of offers who never panned out. Remember Quincy Jones? Jaleel Canty? Juwan Lewis? Hell, Lewis had offers from basically the entire conference and couldn't see the field because guys like Bronson Hill, Darius Jackson, and Ryan Brumfield (all with no other D1 offers, mind you) were better. This is why I stopped following recruiting. We have no clue which of these kids is going to be a player or not.

Next season will be a good test for Creighton. It will be team made up largely of his recruits. I believe only Roback, Spearman, and Barnes are key players returning that were English recruits. I'm most curious to see the offensive line, which is going from 4/5 starters being English guys (heavily under-recruited guys too, mind you) to it being entirely Creighton's. Our skill positions will be led by Dieuly Aristilde, Shaq Vann, Ian Eriksen, Sergio Bailey, and Johnny Niupalau...all of whom had one collective D1 offer before coming here. Let's see what our coaches can do with these recruits before writing off the class as "not good enough".

Great point Steve!

Actually it should be Sam getting credit for the post.

Great job Sam! Steve was trying to take your credit lol

O/T BG is having a very good MAC recruiting year.

Looks like Toledo and BG will finish #1 and 2. WMU, I guess, is #3.

http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football-r...central-hs

OL Marc-David Bien-Aime committed to Fresno St.

(01-24-2017 07:52 AM)EagleHawk Wrote:  OL Marc-David Bien-Aime committed to Fresno St.

As I. posted a few days ago Grubby is picking off some our offensive line offers

(01-23-2017 05:16 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Northern Illinois won the MAC West 6 years in a row, from 2010 to 2015, with three conference championships and one BCS bowl appearance in that span. Here were their "recruiting rankings" in the MAC in those years, per 247 Sports (best MAC recruiting site, in my opinion):

2010: 8th
2011: 6th
2012: 9th
2013: 3rd
2014: 4th
2015: 3rd

So a team that never had the best, or even 2nd best, recruiting class dominated the conference in that same span. Are they an outlier? Sure. But they are also proof that development is more important than offers and stars. We've recruited plenty of kids (especially in the English era) that had tons of offers who never panned out. Remember Quincy Jones? Jaleel Canty? Juwan Lewis? Hell, Lewis had offers from basically the entire conference and couldn't see the field because guys like Bronson Hill, Darius Jackson, and Ryan Brumfield (all with no other D1 offers, mind you) were better. This is why I stopped following recruiting. We have no clue which of these kids is going to be a player or not.

Next season will be a good test for Creighton. It will be team made up largely of his recruits. I believe only Roback, Spearman, and Barnes are key players returning that were English recruits. I'm most curious to see the offensive line, which is going from 4/5 starters being English guys (heavily under-recruited guys too, mind you) to it being entirely Creighton's. Our skill positions will be led by Dieuly Aristilde, Shaq Vann, Ian Eriksen, Sergio Bailey, and Johnny Niupalau...all of whom had one collective D1 offer before coming here. Let's see what our coaches can do with these recruits before writing off the class as "not good enough".

Its not just development. Sometimes its gaming the recruiting system. NIU was great because they got Lynch who no recruiting sites liked as a QB, but would have been a highly regarded player as TE/LB. He wanted to be a QB. Also sometimes they don't review a player because they don't think they will qualify. That's why Corey Davis and Antonio Brown were 2 star nobodies.

Here are a few guys that Grubb was "interested" that still haven't committed. One of the guys Matt Guevremont verballed to Bowling Green recently I don't think EMU ever got around to offering.

http://247sports.com/Player/Saige-Young-67308

http://247sports.com/player/jalen-allen-46037844

http://www.scout.com/player/201254-maise...2016&s=182

http://www.hudl.com/profile/1855049/cody-jennings

Jennings is from Garden City CC, Allen is from Hutchison, Knight from Ventura, Young from Dodge City

(01-23-2017 12:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 12:09 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 09:26 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
According to Scout.com we just lost Ali Fayad to Western. How do we lose players the last week of recruiting? Especially, since he was one of our recruits going back to July. Well I do not wish him success.

Go back and start at Post 67 in this thread Ken.

How do we lose players you ask? How do we rank at the bottom of the MAC in recruiting?..............

.........our staff is not very good at recruiting!

ETough, I respect your insight very much but I wouldn't say CC is not good at recruiting. Let this season play out and then we'll know. I think CC has brought in some talented players and coaches. In fact, the WMU game would have been interesting if Turner didn't fumble on the five yard line. In my opinion, we have the Top QB returning with talented RBs and WRs. On defense we were young last year but return what 7 of 11 players. We are going to win 7 games next season and sign a great class for 2018.

I can not knock CC yet because I hear great things are in store for next year's team. I hear CC is a tireless worker....Let it play out.

UT Woodside 13 games 289/418 4,129 yds 45 TD 9 INT 183.3 Pass Eff.
EMU Roback 10 games 219/372 2,694 yds 18 TDs 7 INT 131,9 Pass Eff.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure NONE of us agreed with him, but thank for you taking the time to compare numbers.

Some other names still out there in the JUCO world for OL Joey Palmer, Tanis Joseph who just got an offer from Utah State, Kevin Kwapis who had a separate posting.

(01-24-2017 10:43 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Yeah, I'm pretty sure NONE of us agreed with him, but thank for you taking the time to compare numbers.

Miami's QB did a nice job down the stretch also. I expect Roback to take another step up this season.

(01-24-2017 11:11 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 10:43 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Yeah, I'm pretty sure NONE of us agreed with him, but thank for you taking the time to compare numbers.

Miami's QB did a nice job down the stretch also. I expect Roback to take another step up this season.

Depends on whether he has to run for his life.

(01-24-2017 11:51 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 11:11 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 10:43 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Yeah, I'm pretty sure NONE of us agreed with him, but thank for you taking the time to compare numbers.

Miami's QB did a nice job down the stretch also. I expect Roback to take another step up this season.

Depends on whether he has to run for his life.

You could see he wasn't trying to force the FB, which was huge from the
previous season.