(01-07-2017 09:42 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:51 AM)GnatsRbettrFried Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 08:16 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  Some of you sound like this is a complete merger and you are just adding this to your enrollment. Armstrong has their own athletics program. Won't this just be similar to Arkansas and UALR?

Because it is a complete merger. Armstrong's campus is roughly 50 miles from GSU' campus(mostly interstate travel to boot). Will essentially be GSU main campus(Statesboro) and GSU-Savannah. All sports will be at main campus. Personally hoping we'll be able to use Savannah Civic Arena(Cap. 8,000)) if needed to give us more time to save up for new arena in Statesboro. This is a BIG DEAL

Will you start getting athletics fees from AASU/GSU-S campus?

Yes. Just like how Georgia Perimeter College merged with Georgia State, those students now pay a Georgia State Athletic fee and are considered Georgia State students. Same for Armstrong students with Georgia Southern.

(01-06-2017 11:03 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 05:06 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://twitter.com/SavBusiness/status/8...0631052288

Not official yet, but seems like this is going to happen. This should bring GS's enrollment up to close to 30k.

This could explain why the Georgia BoR capped student fees in terms of percent subsidy...can't let Southern and State get too much money for athletics from their new acquisitions.

How does this improve Ga Southern as an academic institution except for a bigger student body/

This will very much improve Georgia Southern's academics. While Armstrong is not as big as GS nor do they have as high undergraduate standards, their graduate programs are something to get excited about. Adding all of their graduate programs to Georgia Southern's arsena will finally transform us into the research university that Coastal/South Georgia desperately needs. Also, combining their competitive Nursing and Education programs with our nationally top 20 ones will only make us stronger in the lon run.

(01-07-2017 09:42 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:51 AM)GnatsRbettrFried Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 08:16 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  Some of you sound like this is a complete merger and you are just adding this to your enrollment. Armstrong has their own athletics program. Won't this just be similar to Arkansas and UALR?

Because it is a complete merger. Armstrong's campus is roughly 50 miles from GSU' campus(mostly interstate travel to boot). Will essentially be GSU main campus(Statesboro) and GSU-Savannah. All sports will be at main campus. Personally hoping we'll be able to use Savannah Civic Arena(Cap. 8,000)) if needed to give us more time to save up for new arena in Statesboro. This is a BIG DEAL

Will you start getting athletics fees from AASU/GSU-S campus?

Doesn't matter. They will have to reduce student fees for athletics with this addition. AASU may pay more (I don't know what they currently pay), but GS students will likely decrease. This is due to the restriction put on us and GSU by the BOR to protect UGA and GT. Schools can only have 50% of their athletic budgets come from student fees. I believe we are just below that and GSU is just above that. So we could add 50K students they could just look at the total budget and calculate what each student should be based on the 50% rule. Also, our budgets can't increase more than 5% year to year. So you can't have a massive influx of funding either. Would be nice to have the extra money, but can't have the upstarts competing with the "big boys"

(01-07-2017 10:29 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 09:42 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:51 AM)GnatsRbettrFried Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 08:16 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  Some of you sound like this is a complete merger and you are just adding this to your enrollment. Armstrong has their own athletics program. Won't this just be similar to Arkansas and UALR?

Because it is a complete merger. Armstrong's campus is roughly 50 miles from GSU' campus(mostly interstate travel to boot). Will essentially be GSU main campus(Statesboro) and GSU-Savannah. All sports will be at main campus. Personally hoping we'll be able to use Savannah Civic Arena(Cap. 8,000)) if needed to give us more time to save up for new arena in Statesboro. This is a BIG DEAL

Will you start getting athletics fees from AASU/GSU-S campus?

Yes. Just like how Georgia Perimeter College merged with Georgia State, those students now pay a Georgia State Athletic fee and are considered Georgia State students. Same for Armstrong students with Georgia Southern.

Yet the GPC students still have to apply to transfer into Gast degree programs.

That one is a little weird that they can be counted as students but not really be students.

(01-07-2017 12:34 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 10:29 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 09:42 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:51 AM)GnatsRbettrFried Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 08:16 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  Some of you sound like this is a complete merger and you are just adding this to your enrollment. Armstrong has their own athletics program. Won't this just be similar to Arkansas and UALR?

Because it is a complete merger. Armstrong's campus is roughly 50 miles from GSU' campus(mostly interstate travel to boot). Will essentially be GSU main campus(Statesboro) and GSU-Savannah. All sports will be at main campus. Personally hoping we'll be able to use Savannah Civic Arena(Cap. 8,000)) if needed to give us more time to save up for new arena in Statesboro. This is a BIG DEAL

Will you start getting athletics fees from AASU/GSU-S campus?

Yes. Just like how Georgia Perimeter College merged with Georgia State, those students now pay a Georgia State Athletic fee and are considered Georgia State students. Same for Armstrong students with Georgia Southern.

Yet the GPC students still have to apply to transfer into Gast degree programs.

That one is a little weird that they can be counted as students but not really be students.

My quick analogy would be like comparing it to going to Disney World. In this case GS would be the Magic Kingdom while AAU is Epcot. For GSU we have everything from Animal Kingdom to Downtown Disney, with about 7 other places and options from which to choose. So saying you went to Disney won't be a lie but if someone asks how Space Mountain was you're gonna have to confess your ticket was only good for the water park. But ya know, some people are cool with a Blizzard Beach degree.

I think this is a win all around for GS. More direct Savannah access for events, more money going into the shared academic pot, more connections for academic opportunities. I don't think there's much of a downside at all.

The combined statistical metro area that includes Savannah and Statesboro is the second largest in Georgia with a population of 532,048.

Georgia is the eighth most populous state just behind Ohio and Pennsylvania. With only 4 FBS programs and arguably one of the top three states to recruit.

Both GS and Ga state have little excuse for not taking advantage of all that's been given recently. Our influence is growing in Georgia and with that progress.

(01-07-2017 11:42 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 09:42 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:51 AM)GnatsRbettrFried Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 08:16 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  Some of you sound like this is a complete merger and you are just adding this to your enrollment. Armstrong has their own athletics program. Won't this just be similar to Arkansas and UALR?

Because it is a complete merger. Armstrong's campus is roughly 50 miles from GSU' campus(mostly interstate travel to boot). Will essentially be GSU main campus(Statesboro) and GSU-Savannah. All sports will be at main campus. Personally hoping we'll be able to use Savannah Civic Arena(Cap. 8,000)) if needed to give us more time to save up for new arena in Statesboro. This is a BIG DEAL

Will you start getting athletics fees from AASU/GSU-S campus?

Doesn't matter. They will have to reduce student fees for athletics with this addition. AASU may pay more (I don't know what they currently pay), but GS students will likely decrease. This is due to the restriction put on us and GSU by the BOR to protect UGA and GT. Schools can only have 50% of their athletic budgets come from student fees. I believe we are just below that and GSU is just above that. So we could add 50K students they could just look at the total budget and calculate what each student should be based on the 50% rule. Also, our budgets can't increase more than 5% year to year. So you can't have a massive influx of funding either. Would be nice to have the extra money, but can't have the upstarts competing with the "big boys"

Our budgets can increase by 100% per year. The 5% rule is only with regards to "school funds". The money we get from the schools discretionary spending account. That money is usually used to "balance the books", and only accounts for only about 15% of our total budget.

College of Coastal Ga in Brunswick and East Ga State in Swainsboro could also be on a he table. One merger at a time. After it's all said and done we could have satellite campuses in Dublin, Swainsboro, Hinesville, Savannah, and Brunswick and 30K+ students.

(01-08-2017 02:40 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  College of Coastal Ga in Brunswick and East Ga State in Swainsboro could also be on a he table. One merger at a time. After it's all said and done we could have satellite campuses in Dublin, Swainsboro, Hinesville, Savannah, and Brunswick and 30K+ students.

Think of all those athletic fee monies. GaSo's Athletic budget could see a boost for sure

(01-07-2017 11:42 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 09:42 AM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:51 AM)GnatsRbettrFried Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 08:16 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  Some of you sound like this is a complete merger and you are just adding this to your enrollment. Armstrong has their own athletics program. Won't this just be similar to Arkansas and UALR?

Because it is a complete merger. Armstrong's campus is roughly 50 miles from GSU' campus(mostly interstate travel to boot). Will essentially be GSU main campus(Statesboro) and GSU-Savannah. All sports will be at main campus. Personally hoping we'll be able to use Savannah Civic Arena(Cap. 8,000)) if needed to give us more time to save up for new arena in Statesboro. This is a BIG DEAL

Will you start getting athletics fees from AASU/GSU-S campus?

Doesn't matter. They will have to reduce student fees for athletics with this addition. AASU may pay more (I don't know what they currently pay), but GS students will likely decrease. This is due to the restriction put on us and GSU by the BOR to protect UGA and GT. Schools can only have 50% of their athletic budgets come from student fees. I believe we are just below that and GSU is just above that. So we could add 50K students they could just look at the total budget and calculate what each student should be based on the 50% rule. Also, our budgets can't increase more than 5% year to year. So you can't have a massive influx of funding either. Would be nice to have the extra money, but can't have the upstarts competing with the "big boys"

I bet ty allow you to at least take what Armstrong was spending on athletics and add it to your budget. Being D2 with only a handful of sports it isn't a lot but I'm sure every bit helps. They also may make allowances for the 7,000 new students and allow for a reasonable one-time increase over the standard limitations.

(01-07-2017 08:52 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 11:03 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 05:06 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://twitter.com/SavBusiness/status/8...0631052288

Not official yet, but seems like this is going to happen. This should bring GS's enrollment up to close to 30k.

This could explain why the Georgia BoR capped student fees in terms of percent subsidy...can't let Southern and State get too much money for athletics from their new acquisitions.

How does this improve Ga Southern as an academic institution except for a bigger student body/

I'm not sure it does. How does a larger student body improve academics? There are a host of positives but the least of them is improving GS academically.

I'd say most are pretty excited about AASU joining the GS family.

I guess we should all welcome Savannah and AASU to the family. Take a look. Link below:

https://youtu.be/g-7Eto6mioY

Larger student body means more money for the institution. I think last couple of years a few schools had their budgets lowered because they had fewer students. The merger would also increase the faculty count which could mean more hours and opportunities for research which could mean a change in designation from comprehensive university to research university (which is what GaSou would like to get to).

(01-08-2017 06:08 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 08:52 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 11:03 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 05:06 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  https://twitter.com/SavBusiness/status/8...0631052288

Not official yet, but seems like this is going to happen. This should bring GS's enrollment up to close to 30k.

This could explain why the Georgia BoR capped student fees in terms of percent subsidy...can't let Southern and State get too much money for athletics from their new acquisitions.

How does this improve Ga Southern as an academic institution except for a bigger student body/

I'm not sure it does. How does a larger student body improve academics? There are a host of positives but the least of them is improving GS academically.

I'd say most are pretty excited about AASU joining the GS family.

I guess we should all welcome Savannah and AASU to the family. Take a look. Link below:

https://youtu.be/g-7Eto6mioY

Larger student body means more money for the institution. I think last couple of years a few schools had their budgets lowered because they had fewer students. The merger would also increase the faculty count which could mean more hours and opportunities for research which could mean a change in designation from comprehensive university to research university (which is what GaSou would like to get to).

This is great news for Southern. Personally I'd like to see an athletic team or two stay in Savannah. Make tennis and cross country in Savannah since they already have a boys team in CC. Let's the Savannah campus support sport full time

(01-07-2017 04:55 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  The combined statistical metro area that includes Savannah and Statesboro is the second largest in Georgia with a population of 532,048.

Georgia is the eighth most populous state just behind Ohio and Pennsylvania. With only 4 FBS programs and arguably one of the top three states to recruit.

Both GS and Ga state have little excuse for not taking advantage of all that's been given recently. Our influence is growing in Georgia and with that progress.

This, while I preferred Ga State just focus on b ball there was more than enough room for two more FBS teams based on population and especially based on the talent this state produces, being a top five state for football. Neither school should put up with mediocre football in ANY area.

With this merger, I really dont know how the BOR can keep GS down much longer, middle and south GA deserves a doctoral research funded university that is not just medical focused. The region is growing not stagnant and this state already does not produce enough post graduates grads to fill demand in this state. This is why so many people in GA are not from GA and why so many people I know and their kids had to go out of state to get a graduate or doctorate degree.

As expected some Armstrong alums and students are against it, as Armstrong has a long proud history, but if I remember this almost happened when GSC became GSU. Southern Poly put up a good fight as well but is now KSU.

I don't think that looking at student fees is seeing a big enough picture for the potential that this move has for GS athletics.

While Savannah is less than an hour's drive away from Statesboro, the Eagles aren't the most popular college team in the city. There are plenty of allegiances split between GS, UGA, Florida and the S. Carolina schools. And while those fans might not be die-hards - and thus possible to swing to Georgia Southern - there has never been such a large GS presence in town that those people would reconsider.

This merger will change that. AASU has a very nice and noticeable campus that butts up against the busiest non-interstate road in and out of Savannah. Now that thousands of daily commuters will see the GS branding every day (along with parents of local students who will now be sending checks to GS), there should be a huge increase in brand recognition. If Georgia Southern plays its cards right in terms of reaching out to become a part of the Savannah community, there are tens of thousands of new fans and potential donors to be won.

Similarly, there is the potential for Georgia Southern to see a windfall in terms of corporate sponsorships. With the vast majority of our attendance coming from students, locals and Atlanta-area alumni, it has been a tough sell getting Savannah-based businesses to contribute. With GS now a permanent presence in Savannah, it should be much easier to convince companies to buy in since GS students and fans will be around all day, every day instead of only on occasions when Statesboro residents take a day trip.

Landing a handful of new corporate sponsors will go farther than any amount of student fees ever could.

GS tuition appears to be lower than AASU as well. This would be a nice factor for AASU students if their future tuition will be lower.

Lots of great news this week for Georgia Southern.

(01-09-2017 02:56 PM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  GS tuition appears to be lower than AASU as well. This would be a nice factor for AASU students if their future tuition will be lower.

Lots of great news this week for Georgia Southern.

Tuition for 2017 is higher for GS so are fees. Not a huge difference though, nothing to get bent out of shape about for sure.

(01-09-2017 03:36 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:56 PM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  GS tuition appears to be lower than AASU as well. This would be a nice factor for AASU students if their future tuition will be lower.

Lots of great news this week for Georgia Southern.

Tuition for 2017 is higher for GS so are fees. Not a huge difference though, nothing to get bent out of shape about for sure.

Still getting a lot of push back from Armstrong students. That's to be expected though.

(01-09-2017 04:04 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 03:36 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:56 PM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  GS tuition appears to be lower than AASU as well. This would be a nice factor for AASU students if their future tuition will be lower.

Lots of great news this week for Georgia Southern.

Tuition for 2017 is higher for GS so are fees. Not a huge difference though, nothing to get bent out of shape about for sure.

Still getting a lot of push back from Armstrong students. That's to be expected though.

I saw a picture of a protest that had ten people....not sure most reallllly care.

(01-10-2017 03:42 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 04:04 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 03:36 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-09-2017 02:56 PM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  GS tuition appears to be lower than AASU as well. This would be a nice factor for AASU students if their future tuition will be lower.

Lots of great news this week for Georgia Southern.

Tuition for 2017 is higher for GS so are fees. Not a huge difference though, nothing to get bent out of shape about for sure.

Still getting a lot of push back from Armstrong students. That's to be expected though.

I saw a picture of a protest that had ten people....not sure most reallllly care.

There were dozens! I was going to post the article here, but I didn't want to embarrass those quoted. In fact, after reading said quotes I'm not convinced we should go through with this.