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RE: Divisions?
(01-04-2017 04:02 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  
(12-30-2016 06:57 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Split Idaho & NMSU into the two divisions for next year and have a championship game in football. Why wait? More football=more fun.

This. Why not have divisions and a CCG in the year that we actually have 12 members?

Plus, if people are worried about competitive balance for next year you could put Idaho in the west and NMSU in the east to even things up a little. What's the good reason not to go ahead and do this?
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RE: Divisions?
There are no divisions for a couple reasons:

1. The current opponents everyone is sitting out would have to change, since several teams missed what would be divisional opponents in 2016 and are supposed to again in 2017.

2. There is no simple way to design a division with Idaho and NMSU when we plan on removing them following the season anyway.

3. If we had a championship game, we'd have to decide early on whether or not Coastal Carolina is eligible for that game since they transition next season. The Chants were promised title eligibility in 2017, but part of that reason is that there's a good chance of a share next season, and the NCAA could certify that team as the champ and qualified for Access, while Coastal still gets a trophy. If we do a title game, we are only certify one champ. Plus we'd have to design an entire tiebreak procedure when the league currently doesn't have said procedure.

Plus, I think we're certain to get ESPN Saturday TV games that first week of December again next year, and I don't want to give those up.
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RE: Divisions?
(01-04-2017 07:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There are no divisions for a couple reasons:

1. The current opponents everyone is sitting out would have to change, since several teams missed what would be divisional opponents in 2016 and are supposed to again in 2017.

2. There is no simple way to design a division with Idaho and NMSU when we plan on removing them following the season anyway.

3. If we had a championship game, we'd have to decide early on whether or not Coastal Carolina is eligible for that game since they transition next season. The Chants were promised title eligibility in 2017, but part of that reason is that there's a good chance of a share next season, and the NCAA could certify that team as the champ and qualified for Access, while Coastal still gets a trophy. If we do a title game, we are only certify one champ. Plus we'd have to design an entire tiebreak procedure when the league currently doesn't have said procedure.

Plus, I think we're certain to get ESPN Saturday TV games that first week of December again next year, and I don't want to give those up.

None of that seems insurmountable.

1. Does that really matter? A bunch of opponents are changing when Coastal gets added to the schedule anyway.

2. Everybody goes to the division they were slated for. Idaho goes in one division, NMSU in the other. the following year, assuming the Sun Belt keeps making the mistake of booting us, they're both removed, nobody else moves, and you keep playing. Solved.

3. Why not make Coastal eligible for the CCG? They're in the conference. As has been established, there is no bowl that has to take the conference champion. So what difference does it make?
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RE: Divisions?
(01-04-2017 07:53 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  assuming the Sun Belt keeps making the mistake of booting us

Mistake?

It can be easily proven, using data from the time Idaho entered the Sun Belt to now, that booting Idaho is not a mistake.

I feel for your plight, but that's simply fantasyland.
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(01-05-2017 08:18 PM)asuwon Wrote:  
(01-04-2017 07:53 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  assuming the Sun Belt keeps making the mistake of booting us

Mistake?

It can be easily proven, using data from the time Idaho entered the Sun Belt to now, that booting Idaho is not a mistake.

I feel for your plight, but that's simply fantasyland.

I don't want to pollute yet another thread with an Idaho argument, but you can't "easily prove" anything using that much information. I could just as well say that after weighing the data to deservedly give more credence to recent performance it can be "easily proven" that it's a no-brainer to keep Idaho. After all, we made you guys money this year. College football is a "what have you done for me lately" business and most recently the Idaho business has been good.
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RE: Divisions?
Idaho as an SBC member:
2001 - 1-10
2002 - 2-10
2003 - 3-9
2014 - 1-10
2015 - 4-8
2016 - 9-4

Total - 20-51

Time as an FBS/1-A team - 81-172.
Five winning seasons at 1-A/FBS, 2 since the century turned.
Last conference championship was 1998.

Saying we went 9-4 with a bowl win in one year is easily proven to be an asset is incorrect. Based on your history, it is an outlier. Decisions aren't made based on one year, no matter how recent. Idaho had a similar season in 2009. That was followed with six straight losing seasons. And like it or not, you and NMSU are tied at the hip and if you do well, it is still an offset at best.
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(01-06-2017 03:46 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Idaho as an SBC member:
2001 - 1-10
2002 - 2-10
2003 - 3-9
2014 - 1-10
2015 - 4-8
2016 - 9-4

Total - 20-51

Time as an FBS/1-A team - 81-172.
Five winning seasons at 1-A/FBS, 2 since the century turned.
Last conference championship was 1998.

Saying we went 9-4 with a bowl win in one year is easily proven to be an asset is incorrect. Based on your history, it is an outlier. Decisions aren't made based on one year, no matter how recent. Idaho had a similar season in 2009. That was followed with six straight losing seasons. And like it or not, you and NMSU are tied at the hip and if you do well, it is still an offset at best.

Nobody's arguing for permanent membership. All I'm saying is it's a bad decision not to stay on us while we're hot and there are no rules saying we have to be joined at the hip with anyone. And if we're talking past performance and you're dragging out seasons from 15 years ago, here's the complete list of Sun Belt schools with more bowl wins than Idaho in the past decade:

1. Arkansas State
2. That's the list.

And here's the complete list of Sun Belt schools with more bowl wins than Idaho in the past 2 decades:

1. Umm, nobody.

Idaho is not the runt dragging down a vicious gang of FBS worldbeaters.
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RE: Divisions?
(01-04-2017 07:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There are no divisions for a couple reasons:

1. The current opponents everyone is sitting out would have to change, since several teams missed what would be divisional opponents in 2016 and are supposed to again in 2017.

2. There is no simple way to design a division with Idaho and NMSU when we plan on removing them following the season anyway.

3. If we had a championship game, we'd have to decide early on whether or not Coastal Carolina is eligible for that game since they transition next season. The Chants were promised title eligibility in 2017, but part of that reason is that there's a good chance of a share next season, and the NCAA could certify that team as the champ and qualified for Access, while Coastal still gets a trophy. If we do a title game, we are only certify one champ. Plus we'd have to design an entire tiebreak procedure when the league currently doesn't have said procedure.

Plus, I think we're certain to get ESPN Saturday TV games that first week of December again next year, and I don't want to give those up.
The press release from CCU stated they will be eligible for the CCG but not the post season for 2017.

I'd think it wouldn't be bad to have 1 year of 2 6 team divisions and then have everything reset the next year. Its not like its going really affect the scheduling that much...no more than not having divisions and still playing 8 conference games.
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I agree with MWC Tex on something. It's finally happened.
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(01-06-2017 12:14 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I agree with MWC Tex on something. It's finally happened.

LOL...04-jawdrop
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RE: Divisions?
(01-06-2017 12:10 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-04-2017 07:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There are no divisions for a couple reasons:

1. The current opponents everyone is sitting out would have to change, since several teams missed what would be divisional opponents in 2016 and are supposed to again in 2017.

2. There is no simple way to design a division with Idaho and NMSU when we plan on removing them following the season anyway.

3. If we had a championship game, we'd have to decide early on whether or not Coastal Carolina is eligible for that game since they transition next season. The Chants were promised title eligibility in 2017, but part of that reason is that there's a good chance of a share next season, and the NCAA could certify that team as the champ and qualified for Access, while Coastal still gets a trophy. If we do a title game, we are only certify one champ. Plus we'd have to design an entire tiebreak procedure when the league currently doesn't have said procedure.

Plus, I think we're certain to get ESPN Saturday TV games that first week of December again next year, and I don't want to give those up.
The press release from CCU stated they will be eligible for the CCG but not the post season for 2017.

I'd think it wouldn't be bad to have 1 year of 2 6 team divisions and then have everything reset the next year. Its not like its going really affect the scheduling that much...no more than not having divisions and still playing 8 conference games.

No, it would be insane to change. Teams began publicizing home slates a few months ago for next season as part of season ticket preparations. A large majority of the games not played this year become divisional games if the league went to divisions, meaning an entirely new conference schedule would haver to be made out in freaking January.

It's simply not worth the trouble for the point of 2 programs who won't be in the league after next season anyway.
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(01-06-2017 01:21 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 12:10 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-04-2017 07:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There are no divisions for a couple reasons:

1. The current opponents everyone is sitting out would have to change, since several teams missed what would be divisional opponents in 2016 and are supposed to again in 2017.

2. There is no simple way to design a division with Idaho and NMSU when we plan on removing them following the season anyway.

3. If we had a championship game, we'd have to decide early on whether or not Coastal Carolina is eligible for that game since they transition next season. The Chants were promised title eligibility in 2017, but part of that reason is that there's a good chance of a share next season, and the NCAA could certify that team as the champ and qualified for Access, while Coastal still gets a trophy. If we do a title game, we are only certify one champ. Plus we'd have to design an entire tiebreak procedure when the league currently doesn't have said procedure.

Plus, I think we're certain to get ESPN Saturday TV games that first week of December again next year, and I don't want to give those up.
The press release from CCU stated they will be eligible for the CCG but not the post season for 2017.

I'd think it wouldn't be bad to have 1 year of 2 6 team divisions and then have everything reset the next year. Its not like its going really affect the scheduling that much...no more than not having divisions and still playing 8 conference games.

No, it would be insane to change. Teams began publicizing home slates a few months ago for next season as part of season ticket preparations. A large majority of the games not played this year become divisional games if the league went to divisions, meaning an entirely new conference schedule would haver to be made out in freaking January.

It's simply not worth the trouble for the point of 2 programs who won't be in the league after next season anyway.

There are some pretty plugged-in fans here and almost none of them seem to even know which schools they're dropping off their schedules to make room for Coastal. How much home slate publicizing could all these schools possibly be doing?
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RE: Divisions?
(01-06-2017 03:41 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 01:21 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(01-06-2017 12:10 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-04-2017 07:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There are no divisions for a couple reasons:

1. The current opponents everyone is sitting out would have to change, since several teams missed what would be divisional opponents in 2016 and are supposed to again in 2017.

2. There is no simple way to design a division with Idaho and NMSU when we plan on removing them following the season anyway.

3. If we had a championship game, we'd have to decide early on whether or not Coastal Carolina is eligible for that game since they transition next season. The Chants were promised title eligibility in 2017, but part of that reason is that there's a good chance of a share next season, and the NCAA could certify that team as the champ and qualified for Access, while Coastal still gets a trophy. If we do a title game, we are only certify one champ. Plus we'd have to design an entire tiebreak procedure when the league currently doesn't have said procedure.

Plus, I think we're certain to get ESPN Saturday TV games that first week of December again next year, and I don't want to give those up.
The press release from CCU stated they will be eligible for the CCG but not the post season for 2017.

I'd think it wouldn't be bad to have 1 year of 2 6 team divisions and then have everything reset the next year. Its not like its going really affect the scheduling that much...no more than not having divisions and still playing 8 conference games.

No, it would be insane to change. Teams began publicizing home slates a few months ago for next season as part of season ticket preparations. A large majority of the games not played this year become divisional games if the league went to divisions, meaning an entirely new conference schedule would haver to be made out in freaking January.

It's simply not worth the trouble for the point of 2 programs who won't be in the league after next season anyway.

There are some pretty plugged-in fans here and almost none of them seem to even know which schools they're dropping off their schedules to make room for Coastal. How much home slate publicizing could all these schools possibly be doing?

Every school knew their exact league schedule including opponents several months ago. Most that I've seen are already advertising games with their season ticket packages.

It isn't like everyone just now discovered who they were playing. The Sun Belt's already finalized a rough draft of a potential schedule and has sent it to ESPN to pick the TV games. Everyone has known about it for quite a while. It's not going to be changed now.
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(01-07-2017 12:44 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Every school knew their exact league schedule including opponents several months ago. Most that I've seen are already advertising games with their season ticket packages.

It isn't like everyone just now discovered who they were playing. The Sun Belt's already finalized a rough draft of a potential schedule and has sent it to ESPN to pick the TV games. Everyone has known about it for quite a while. It's not going to be changed now.

I'm sure you're right that there's too much momentum behind not changing anything but I generally spend my time here advocating for this conference to do things it's not going to do, so why stop now? I still say a CCG would be a lot more fun for all involved and anybody buying season tickets in January would be buying them regardless of opponents.
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Thank you for the responses to this post. I posted it and then forgot about it.

So no divisions in basketball.
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