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(12-21-2016 12:13 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 10:25 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Our champion played in the highest rated bowl, top 5 ranked matchup a beat a team that has been a thorn in this conference side...something is incredibly wrong with this process.

And our other champion played in a bowl that most people couldn't see. And App played in a repeat bowl because 2 of the top 3 bowls wouldn't take either of our champions. But that's for another thread or two.

Were you in the meetings Tom? Or like usual you just assume you are smarter than everyone? You will disguise "what's best for everyone" to get your way. You're readable like a children's book. You have zero clue what you are talking about or how it works... or what the leadership at stAte wanted.

Leadership wanted Mobile or Camellia. Somehow, it took the AAC Intervening with the selection process for us not to end up in Arizona.
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(12-21-2016 12:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 12:13 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 10:25 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Our champion played in the highest rated bowl, top 5 ranked matchup a beat a team that has been a thorn in this conference side...something is incredibly wrong with this process.

And our other champion played in a bowl that most people couldn't see. And App played in a repeat bowl because 2 of the top 3 bowls wouldn't take either of our champions. But that's for another thread or two.

Were you in the meetings Tom? Or like usual you just assume you are smarter than everyone? You will disguise "what's best for everyone" to get your way. You're readable like a children's book. You have zero clue what you are talking about or how it works... or what the leadership at stAte wanted.

Leadership wanted Mobile or Camellia. Somehow, it took the AAC Intervening with the selection process for us not to end up in Arizona.

Yea, I don't see stAte saying..."lets pass up on three bowls that are on ESPN so we can play a team on CBSSN that is 500 miles further from our fans than the other 3 bowls."

Where was Benson during all of this? Was he trying to help our champions? Why didn't the Belt intervene? I get it. We got shifted to the crummy bowl in the process, but we deserved to be there. I just want to make sure there's some mechanism or effort in place to help the teams that win the conference to not get jobbed in the Bowl process.

BTW, bonus thread over on the AAC board. They're whining that they have a crummy bowl record because their 7th place team had to play the 1 or 2 team from the Belt. Seems to me that they created that issue all by themselves...
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(12-21-2016 12:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 12:13 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 10:25 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Our champion played in the highest rated bowl, top 5 ranked matchup a beat a team that has been a thorn in this conference side...something is incredibly wrong with this process.

And our other champion played in a bowl that most people couldn't see. And App played in a repeat bowl because 2 of the top 3 bowls wouldn't take either of our champions. But that's for another thread or two.

Were you in the meetings Tom? Or like usual you just assume you are smarter than everyone? You will disguise "what's best for everyone" to get your way. You're readable like a children's book. You have zero clue what you are talking about or how it works... or what the leadership at stAte wanted.

Leadership wanted Mobile or Camellia. Somehow, it took the AAC Intervening with the selection process for us not to end up in Arizona.

Impossible...Karl Benson and Tom control everything, they call the shots. Also impossibly that y'all want mobile and cammelia...everyone knows the entire conference wants Nola...the crown jewel of bowl
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(12-21-2016 12:55 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 12:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 12:13 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 10:25 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Our champion played in the highest rated bowl, top 5 ranked matchup a beat a team that has been a thorn in this conference side...something is incredibly wrong with this process.

And our other champion played in a bowl that most people couldn't see. And App played in a repeat bowl because 2 of the top 3 bowls wouldn't take either of our champions. But that's for another thread or two.

Were you in the meetings Tom? Or like usual you just assume you are smarter than everyone? You will disguise "what's best for everyone" to get your way. You're readable like a children's book. You have zero clue what you are talking about or how it works... or what the leadership at stAte wanted.

Leadership wanted Mobile or Camellia. Somehow, it took the AAC Intervening with the selection process for us not to end up in Arizona.

Impossible...Karl Benson and Tom control everything, they call the shots. Also impossibly that y'all want mobile and cammelia...everyone knows the entire conference wants Nola...the crown jewel of bowl
Season

If an undeserving team goes to a top bowl, then it makes things harder for the other bowls to sort it out, because there are less of them. If 2 of our top 3 bowls pick teams not in the top 3, then it creates a problem for at least one top 2 team. Bowl slots are zero sum. One team gets in at the expense of another.

I don't speak for everyone, but I'd gander that this is the consensus

9 times out of 10 (or more)

1) Every team in the conference, if given the choice...will pick NO, DG, or Camellia.
2) Every team, given a choice, will pick Cure over Arizona

It is theoretically possible that a team might pick the Cure in certain years, but its unlikely because you can't get any AAC team finishing higher than 5th. Maybe if ECU is the opponent, App might choose that bowl. But I don't see it being likely.

The only team that could conceivably pick the Arizona Bowl over any other bowl is NMSU, and they're gone after next year.
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(12-21-2016 01:03 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 12:55 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 12:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 12:13 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 11:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  And our other champion played in a bowl that most people couldn't see. And App played in a repeat bowl because 2 of the top 3 bowls wouldn't take either of our champions. But that's for another thread or two.

Were you in the meetings Tom? Or like usual you just assume you are smarter than everyone? You will disguise "what's best for everyone" to get your way. You're readable like a children's book. You have zero clue what you are talking about or how it works... or what the leadership at stAte wanted.

Leadership wanted Mobile or Camellia. Somehow, it took the AAC Intervening with the selection process for us not to end up in Arizona.

Impossible...Karl Benson and Tom control everything, they call the shots. Also impossibly that y'all want mobile and cammelia...everyone knows the entire conference wants Nola...the crown jewel of bowl
Season

If an undeserving team goes to a top bowl, then it makes things harder for the other bowls to sort it out, because there are less of them. If 2 of our top 3 bowls pick teams not in the top 3, then it creates a problem for at least one top 2 team. Bowl slots are zero sum. One team gets in at the expense of another.

I don't speak for everyone, but I'd gander that this is the consensus

9 times out of 10 (or more)

1) Every team in the conference, if given the choice...will pick NO, DG, or Camellia.
2) Every team, given a choice, will pick Cure over Arizona

It is theoretically possible that a team might pick the Cure in certain years, but its unlikely because you can't get any AAC team finishing higher than 5th. Maybe if ECU is the opponent, App might choose that bowl. But I don't see it being likely.

The only team that could conceivably pick the Arizona Bowl over any other bowl is NMSU, and they're gone after next year.
So you don't speak for everyone then you tell us what everyone team in the conference will do. Man you just keep getting deeper. So now we find out ESPN was involved, the AAC was involved, bowl comittees,presidents AD's....but I thought this whole thing was done after the Cajuns back door sealed the Nola bowl? I thought we controlled everything? You want to know who has control tom? The people that put up and make the money...guess who doesn't make money in all this? The schools, we don't have control Tom, you are delusional to think the 1 entity involved in all this that loses money has any control. If we had any control, we would be the ones making the money.
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I'm not sure I really understand the problem this time. I think they did a pretty good job this year. I don't think any of us should be THAT displeased with our bowl placements.
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I can just imagine Tom's version of Psalm 23:4 while on his deathbed.

Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil because I'm the smartest SOB in the valley......and if you don't believe me, just ask God. I taught him everything he knows.
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(12-21-2016 01:50 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I'm not sure I really understand the problem this time. I think they did a pretty good job this year. I don't think any of us should be THAT displeased with our bowl placements.

Exactly, I even said several times if any of Tom's "fears" had ever actually happened then he MIGHT have a point but here we are all 6 teams in a bowl, most teams bowling ever, nobody left out and we need to fix it. This has never happened but I want to put rules in place to make sure it doesn't happen even though those same rules will only place restriction on our own conference. The dude has sour grapes about not getting his way and tries to disguise as "for the better for everyone" Tom is worried that south al won't ever earn the trip to a better bowl so he wants measure put in place that guarantee he gets what he wants...His school is located in the best spot for all the bowls. 144,168,0 miles from the 3 bowls he supposedly holds on a pedestal but it's the Cajuns fault.
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Ark St. almost went to AZ, that is what sparked the bowl selection process discussion.
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(12-21-2016 02:47 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Ark St. almost went to AZ, that is what sparked the bowl selection process discussion.

But they didn't...I bet we all almost went somewhere, that's what happens when people negotiate and discuss options. That's how things work. They look at everything but in the end it came out pretty good. Stop being scared of things that haven't happened.
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The only place ULL almost went was the couch.
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(12-21-2016 03:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The only place ULL almost went was the couch.

Yep, 1 game away...but we didn't. We went bowling...like every bowl eligible team
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If ULL would have been in Ark St. shoes and we could find more the two ULL fans on this board the uproar would have been quite a scene. But hey ULL's on the good side of this arrangement so enjoy it.
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(12-21-2016 03:37 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If ULL would have been in Ark St. shoes and we could find more the two ULL fans on this board the uproar would have been quite a scene. But hey ULL's on the good side of this arrangement so enjoy it.

Actually, we didn't expect to go bowling at all with four games left in the season. I would have tried to go wherever we played if I could take the time off from work. It wouldn't have surprised me to go to any of the bowls.
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(12-21-2016 03:37 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If ULL would have been in Ark St. shoes and we could find more the two ULL fans on this board the uproar would have been quite a scene. But hey ULL's on the good side of this arrangement so enjoy it.

Another one that knows it all. We actually had plenty fans not wanting to go back to Nola the 3rd time. Unlike some of you we have sat at home plenty times bowl while bowl eligible, we have sat at home as conference champions. We would be happy in a bowl anywhere.
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Pity party table for one.
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(12-21-2016 03:40 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 03:37 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If ULL would have been in Ark St. shoes and we could find more the two ULL fans on this board the uproar would have been quite a scene. But hey ULL's on the good side of this arrangement so enjoy it.

Actually, we didn't expect to go bowling at all with four games left in the season. I would have tried to go wherever we played if I could take the time off from work. It wouldn't have surprised me to go to any of the bowls.

That really isn't the same as being in Ark St.'s shoes in the current bowl environment.
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(12-21-2016 05:11 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 03:40 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(12-21-2016 03:37 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If ULL would have been in Ark St. shoes and we could find more the two ULL fans on this board the uproar would have been quite a scene. But hey ULL's on the good side of this arrangement so enjoy it.

Actually, we didn't expect to go bowling at all with four games left in the season. I would have tried to go wherever we played if I could take the time off from work. It wouldn't have surprised me to go to any of the bowls.

That really isn't the same as being in Ark St.'s shoes in the current bowl environment.

And you don't know what our fans think of going to bowls. When you sit at home twice as conference champions you have perspective. A fan Being dissapointed in not being able to attend a bowl game because of its location and thinking we need to change the rules because we didn't get our way is not the same thing. We change the rules and next time y'all don't get your way you are going to want to change them again. Just because you don't always get exactly what you want doesn't make it unfair.
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You are mixing points within a conversation.

I'm taking myself and my program out of the solution I've proposed and have from the start. You continue to ignore that and the fact that you disagreed with and then agreed with my proposal in separate threads, yet here we are again in the loop of literacy hell. Enjoy the spiral.
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(12-21-2016 05:38 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  You are mixing points within a conversation.

I'm taking myself and my program out of the solution I've proposed and have from the start. You continue to ignore that and the fact that you disagreed with and then agreed with my proposal in separate threads, yet here we are again in the loop of literacy hell. Enjoy the spiral.

No like a politician you made a good suggestion worth discussing then earmarked it with some crap. You mentioned rewarding someone who earned something which I would be open too and tried to attach rules and regulations with it. Once we have CCG,allowing a sole champion to pick its bowl is a logical idea. All this 2 in 5 and back to back crap is just that, crap. There is no reason whatsoever to self impose sanctions on yourself, the only people that stand to hurt by that is us... and when I say us, the conference. There was a rule in place when we had limited tie ins, and as soon as we had enough tie ins all parties agreed to remove those rules...there is a reason. Because it was best for everyone involved. We have been down this road and it sucked but at the time the champion needed to be protected from sitting at home...we have 5 tie ins, the champion doesn't need to be protected.
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