Yeh, glad App has a chance to get 10 of those Ws this year.

Me to. Nothing but good for the profile of the entire group.

Got a theme cooking in my head regarding how to have the G5 breaks away from the P5 and gets back to the real world of college football and we all go back to having fun rather than spending so much money our children bleed from their eye sockets.

(12-15-2016 10:40 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Me to. Nothing but good for the profile of the entire group.

Got a theme cooking in my head regarding how to have the G5 breaks away from the P5 and gets back to the real world of college football and we all go back to having fun rather than spending so much money our children bleed from their eye sockets.

I don't know if we want to create any more division between G5 & P5....until we have to. You know how the players already view FCS as a big step down. If we separate the FBS, I think it would alienate them from the level they want to be playing.

Who said anything about being less attractive to players? I'm talking about not playing the P5 little reindeer games anymore. I'm talking about telling the NCAA to go stuff it and creating a football division that's back to being about tight geographical divisions with great rivalries and folks excited about their home team and putting butts in seats to rebuild the sense of local pride that was destroyed by the big money and ESPN.

Yeah, just talking out my azz. It will never happen. But I miss the old days. I also miss being the "Indians" and having a guy ride a horse into the end zone and stab a spear into the real grass.


....God I'm old.

(12-15-2016 11:30 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Who said anything about being less attractive to players? I'm talking about not playing the P5 little reindeer games anymore. I'm talking about telling the NCAA to go stuff it and creating a football division that's back to being about tight geographical divisions with great rivalries and folks excited about their home team and putting butts in seats to rebuild the sense of local pride that was destroyed by the big money and ESPN.

Yeah, just talking out my azz. It will never happen. But I miss the old days. I also miss being the "Indians" and having a guy ride a horse into the end zone and stab a spear into the real grass.


....God I'm old.

I'm right there with you. The NCAA is not needed.

I'm also sick of ESPN dictating everything to everyone. Making us move game dates to days that eliminates any hope for a crowd....giving minimal exposure and very little financial reward for doing so.

If we could create a "XFL version of NCAA" in college, I'd be willing to listen. Make it better and more fun than the current setup. It only takes money.

(12-16-2016 12:29 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:30 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Who said anything about being less attractive to players? I'm talking about not playing the P5 little reindeer games anymore. I'm talking about telling the NCAA to go stuff it and creating a football division that's back to being about tight geographical divisions with great rivalries and folks excited about their home team and putting butts in seats to rebuild the sense of local pride that was destroyed by the big money and ESPN.

Yeah, just talking out my azz. It will never happen. But I miss the old days. I also miss being the "Indians" and having a guy ride a horse into the end zone and stab a spear into the real grass.


....God I'm old.

I'm right there with you. The NCAA is not needed.

I'm also sick of ESPN dictating everything to everyone. Making us move game dates to days that eliminates any hope for a crowd....giving minimal exposure and very little financial reward for doing so.

If we could create a "XFL version of NCAA" in college, I'd be willing to listen. Make it better and more fun than the current setup. It only takes money.

The NCAA is what keeps us in the game. Break apart the NCAA's and every one of us would be looking on the outside of a bigger fence than we're dealing with now. Basically, the NCAA tournament in basketball allows the D1 schools plus the FCS plus the G5 to (just barely) have enough of a say in FBS matters to keep the G5 teams somewhat relevant.

ESPN remains a problem. And it will be at least 10 years of cord cutting and losses ahead before they get handed their rear ends enough for others to chew into their dominant position. We have to deal with them for the time being. It sucks, but that's where we're at.

A 8 or 16 team playoff where the G5 or each conference had an autobid would rock and would provide an immediate way for another network to displace ESPN, by simply outbidding them.

Quite frankly, if I'm a non-ESPN bowl, I'd try to move the damn thing to the Saturday afternoon after New Years. CBSSN would get a lot more eyeballs for the Cure Bowl if that was the case. And more fans would go.

(12-15-2016 10:00 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Hey, a W is a W. Your day is coming. We've had an extended run of success but unless your an Alabama or Michigan type program it never lasts. So you'd better get your "beat their ass" in while you can.

App has less losing seasons than Alabama in the past 25 years.

Is App playing stAte this weekend? It's hard to tell from this thread.

No contest. APPs defense is clearly better. Someone said stats don't matter. Well, the stats are the results of the play on the field. You're basically saying what you do on the field doesn't determine who has a better defense. I've sorted for conference teams only to get as close as possible to similar opponents. Arkansas State did not play Idaho, the top offense in the league, so there's that.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html

(12-16-2016 01:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 12:29 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:30 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  Who said anything about being less attractive to players? I'm talking about not playing the P5 little reindeer games anymore. I'm talking about telling the NCAA to go stuff it and creating a football division that's back to being about tight geographical divisions with great rivalries and folks excited about their home team and putting butts in seats to rebuild the sense of local pride that was destroyed by the big money and ESPN.

Yeah, just talking out my azz. It will never happen. But I miss the old days. I also miss being the "Indians" and having a guy ride a horse into the end zone and stab a spear into the real grass.


....God I'm old.

I'm right there with you. The NCAA is not needed.

I'm also sick of ESPN dictating everything to everyone. Making us move game dates to days that eliminates any hope for a crowd....giving minimal exposure and very little financial reward for doing so.

If we could create a "XFL version of NCAA" in college, I'd be willing to listen. Make it better and more fun than the current setup. It only takes money.

The NCAA is what keeps us in the game. Break apart the NCAA's and every one of us would be looking on the outside of a bigger fence than we're dealing with now. Basically, the NCAA tournament in basketball allows the D1 schools plus the FCS plus the G5 to (just barely) have enough of a say in FBS matters to keep the G5 teams somewhat relevant.

ESPN remains a problem. And it will be at least 10 years of cord cutting and losses ahead before they get handed their rear ends enough for others to chew into their dominant position. We have to deal with them for the time being. It sucks, but that's where we're at.

A 8 or 16 team playoff where the G5 or each conference had an autobid would rock and would provide an immediate way for another network to displace ESPN, by simply outbidding them.

Quite frankly, if I'm a non-ESPN bowl, I'd try to move the damn thing to the Saturday afternoon after New Years. CBSSN would get a lot more eyeballs for the Cure Bowl if that was the case. And more fans would go.

A complete split of G5/FCS from P5 would be a different animal.

The current splits are within the same organization. G5/FCS has to go along with P5 on many issues in order to keep the crumbs that fall from the table.

If there is a real split, then G5 and FCS will have the ability...and imperative to make changes to benefit themselves ONLY without taking into account the desires, needs, reservations, and demands of P5 anymore.

Of course this works the other way too. P5 would be able to change things up to benefit only themselves without caring how G5/FCS would be affected.

G5/FCS would not have to win such a battle (which is good because they could not win it). All they have to do is carve out a niche that gets them incrementally more attention and revenue than they get now. I personally think that is very doable if G5/FCS cooperate with one another and act in a unified manner.

This is partly why I think such a split won't happen. Because the P5 are IN CHARGE now....and pay nothing but crumbs to remain in charge. Why would they give up the control over G5 and FCS rules that they have now through the NCAA? Why would they give up buy games at home? Why would their bottom-dwellers give up their path to 6 wins and a bowl? Why would they push G5/FCS to start acting in a unified manner?

(12-16-2016 02:21 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  No contest. APPs defense is clearly better. Someone said stats don't matter. Well, the stats are the results of the play on the field. You're basically saying what you do on the field doesn't determine who has a better defense. I've sorted for conference teams only to get as close as possible to similar opponents. Arkansas State did not play Idaho, the top offense in the league, so there's that.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html

Again...lets use stats, especially from a time in which AState was so bad offensively that the defense struggled to keep up

(12-16-2016 02:46 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 02:21 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  No contest. APPs defense is clearly better. Someone said stats don't matter. Well, the stats are the results of the play on the field. You're basically saying what you do on the field doesn't determine who has a better defense. I've sorted for conference teams only to get as close as possible to similar opponents. Arkansas State did not play Idaho, the top offense in the league, so there's that.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html

Again...lets use stats, especially from a time in which AState was so bad offensively that the defense struggled to keep up

It'll be a moot point in the end. Toledo's offense is a lot better than UCFs. I expect for that reason, Arkansas State will have a better showing defensively.

(12-16-2016 02:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 02:46 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2016 02:21 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  No contest. APPs defense is clearly better. Someone said stats don't matter. Well, the stats are the results of the play on the field. You're basically saying what you do on the field doesn't determine who has a better defense. I've sorted for conference teams only to get as close as possible to similar opponents. Arkansas State did not play Idaho, the top offense in the league, so there's that.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html
http://www.cfbstats.com/2016/leader/818/...ort01.html

Again...lets use stats, especially from a time in which AState was so bad offensively that the defense struggled to keep up

It'll be a moot point in the end. Toledo's offense is a lot better than UCFs. I expect for that reason, Arkansas State will have a better showing defensively.

We're trying to compare two teams that didn't play to begin with. That's hard to do.