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RE: This Conference is Making a Mistake
(12-09-2016 02:28 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 08:02 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 07:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think your President has gone full Ray Watts by this point. If you want a rethinking, you guys need to be as active as the UAB fans were.

The danger is that Idaho has shown people who want to get rid of football the way to do it. You're not cancelling the program, they'll say...we're just right sizing it. No scholarships would be revoked. Coaches wouldn't get fired. Less of a mess that way. Messes cause protests. Protests can reverse decisions. It was a brilliant move on your President's part. I feel for ya man.

Without your President asking, no conference is going to make a decision for you.

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The next time a college president comes for one of our programs, he or she will do it by first downgrading the FCS. Then they'll just kill it off later. It will take 4 or 5 years, but it will go out with a whimper.

Yeah. It's a lot harder to rile up casual fans if you're not dropping the sport altogether. Lots of people don't know the difference between FBS & FCS. Those are also the people who don't support the football program in any meaningful way, but they're still useful for noisemaking purposes. So, they're killing it slowly.

The ironic thing about this is that if we were killing the football team altogether I would be disappointed, but I would actually be happier than I am now. FCS for Idaho is the worst of all worlds.

As a fan of a U without a team, I respectfully say you are wrong. I'd rather have a team in the Pioneer League than what we have now.

Again, not really a football issue. Of course I want a football team.
12-09-2016 12:41 PM
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RE: This Conference is Making a Mistake
(12-09-2016 02:50 AM)VandalBasher Wrote:  We do understand your point of view. A more local school would make sense. But, Idaho was part of the beginning of the Sun Belt with teams like North Texas and MTSU.

Even though I know this is business, it would be right for the conference to stand by us the same way Idaho stood by the conference.

You should be thanking us for not having to be associated with UNT now!

(I kid, purely a joke UNT fans... Not trying to start anything)
12-09-2016 01:15 PM
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RE: This Conference is Making a Mistake
(12-09-2016 09:13 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  
(12-09-2016 02:28 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 08:02 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(12-08-2016 07:12 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think your President has gone full Ray Watts by this point. If you want a rethinking, you guys need to be as active as the UAB fans were.

The danger is that Idaho has shown people who want to get rid of football the way to do it. You're not cancelling the program, they'll say...we're just right sizing it. No scholarships would be revoked. Coaches wouldn't get fired. Less of a mess that way. Messes cause protests. Protests can reverse decisions. It was a brilliant move on your President's part. I feel for ya man.

Without your President asking, no conference is going to make a decision for you.

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The next time a college president comes for one of our programs, he or she will do it by first downgrading the FCS. Then they'll just kill it off later. It will take 4 or 5 years, but it will go out with a whimper.

Yeah. It's a lot harder to rile up casual fans if you're not dropping the sport altogether. Lots of people don't know the difference between FBS & FCS. Those are also the people who don't support the football program in any meaningful way, but they're still useful for noisemaking purposes. So, they're killing it slowly.

The ironic thing about this is that if we were killing the football team altogether I would be disappointed, but I would actually be happier than I am now. FCS for Idaho is the worst of all worlds.

As a fan of a U without a team, I respectfully say you are wrong. I'd rather have a team in the Pioneer League than what we have now.

And your friends to the South of you would rather you had a team in The Sun Belt...
What the hell is taking so long ?

Not much going on right now, but the loose timeline is take care of what we have now. Our facilities expansion is unmatched in the SBC right now. $78 million for a new arena, $7.5 million for baseball and softball (with the softball facility being an almost complete rebuild, Maverick Stadium has received several minor renovations, including to locker rooms prior to the baseball and softball teams leaving (hhmmm), golf recently received a new on-campus locker room for the first time as well as a couple of on-campus practice areas.

All that's left that hasn't received attention is the tennis center. Though I believe there are still plans for baseball and softball.

Once an announcement is made for another woman's sport, you know the fire is starting to get hot.

They also are add women's golf next year, the first time we have a expanded a sport since 1983.
12-09-2016 02:10 PM
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(12-09-2016 04:11 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Like they did in 2005?

Exactly. Most of the newer conference members don't remember that mass exodus of Idaho and a few others to the WAC. They almost KILLED the Belt's football aspirations and would have had it not have been for FIU/FAU suddenly deciding to go D-IA a year or two early to save SBC football.

Despite all this, I don't remember much bad blood because the WAC was a better geographical fit for Idaho, Utah St. and New Mexico State and it was understandable. Would a little bit more notice have been nice? Of course, but that's not how biz is done in college football.
12-09-2016 02:46 PM
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Said it before, say it again -- we're helping this conference. I'd like more but hell, just give us 2018. That would give us enough time to tie Chuck Staben up in a closet somewhere and start working on a 2019 Indy schedule.
12-22-2016 11:28 PM
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RE: This Conference is Making a Mistake
(12-22-2016 11:28 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Said it before, say it again -- we're helping this conference. I'd like more but hell, just give us 2018. That would give us enough time to tie Chuck Staben up in a closet somewhere and start working on a 2019 Indy schedule.

If it means y'all can be independent, I'd be willing to give y'all one extra year to figure it out. I hate to see y'all end up in the FCS but I also think it's smart for the SBC to focus on tight geography and less teams. Idaho should be independent.
12-22-2016 11:30 PM
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RE: This Conference is Making a Mistake
Does one good season really mean the program has turned around?
12-22-2016 11:56 PM
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(12-22-2016 11:56 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Does one good season really mean the program has turned around?

It sure doesn't hurt.
12-22-2016 11:57 PM
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I am very happy for Idaho. I think Idaho is making a mistake by dropping down. They can go 6-6 as an Indy and go bowling and eventually a conference out west will pick them up.
12-23-2016 07:36 AM
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(12-22-2016 11:56 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Does one good season really mean the program has turned around?

If you look at their trend since Paul Petrino arrived they have steadily improved and just beat the doo doo out of a far surperior program. They are a geographical outlier, but Idaho and NMSU have saved this league in the beginning of the conference.

It is a mistake imo.
12-23-2016 07:44 AM
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Idaho and the SBC were good for each other in the short term. If we're being honest neither party would have chosen the other partner if they had a choice.

I would have been fine extending both through 2019 while we continue to transition former FCS programs, but at some point the relationship was going to end.
12-23-2016 10:23 AM
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A four game scheduling agreement would have been better for the football onlies in some ways.
The conference could have gotten some travel money and kept all the CFP money.
The conference is not to blame why would they share CFP money with partial members?
Army and BYU don't need any help but NMSU,U Mass and Idaho should have worked together.
Forty bowls guarantees 6-6 gets you a bowl game no affiliation is needed.
Hopefully NMSU can make it work we could have helped .
12-23-2016 10:49 AM
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The biggest mistake was not inviting NMSU in all sports.
12-23-2016 11:13 AM
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