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RE: summers fired?
(11-30-2016 04:18 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  Boy this thread has really run of the tracks.

I'll try to tie it together. Summers clearly didn't have time to come on board and dial up a high 2-star or 3-star dual threat QB, but certainly did one thing right in evaluating that QB was a huge recruiting need for this class. Fritz had missed badly in year one by betting the farm on McConnell and signing just one intentionally.

That, of all things, is one of the rare things that Summers has adequately evaluated.

The decisions since then, far more curious. He essentially demoted Ellison before the season ever started to favor Upshaw and every thing else has spiraled out of control since. Injuries to Upshaw only hastened this misery.

One simply can't fault Shuman for getting a scholarship,
for at least he's provided some value in return. Take a hard look at how Summers has distributed scholarships and you can see a bigger problem, if you have a discerning eye.

Shuman is a microcosm of the shift facing Southern and you are either not realizing that shift or just don't care.
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RE: summers fired?
(11-30-2016 04:26 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 04:18 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  Boy this thread has really run of the tracks.

I'll try to tie it together. Summers clearly didn't have time to come on board and dial up a high 2-star or 3-star dual threat QB, but certainly did one thing right in evaluating that QB was a huge recruiting need for this class. Fritz had missed badly in year one by betting the farm on McConnell and signing just one intentionally.

That, of all things, is one of the rare things that Summers has adequately evaluated.

The decisions since then, far more curious. He essentially demoted Ellison before the season ever started to favor Upshaw and every thing else has spiraled out of control since. Injuries to Upshaw only hastened this misery.

One simply can't fault Shuman for getting a scholarship,
for at least he's provided some value in return. Take a hard look at how Summers has distributed scholarships and you can see a bigger problem, if you have a discerning eye.

Shuman is a microcosm of the shift facing Southern and you are either not realizing that shift or just don't care.

Eric,

I've followed Georgia Southern football for 35 years, I don't need you to tell me what we're facing.

Thanks anyways.
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You tell him, Eagle22. Thumbs up!
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RE: summers fired?
(11-30-2016 04:48 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 04:26 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 04:18 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  Boy this thread has really run of the tracks.

I'll try to tie it together. Summers clearly didn't have time to come on board and dial up a high 2-star or 3-star dual threat QB, but certainly did one thing right in evaluating that QB was a huge recruiting need for this class. Fritz had missed badly in year one by betting the farm on McConnell and signing just one intentionally.

That, of all things, is one of the rare things that Summers has adequately evaluated.

The decisions since then, far more curious. He essentially demoted Ellison before the season ever started to favor Upshaw and every thing else has spiraled out of control since. Injuries to Upshaw only hastened this misery.

One simply can't fault Shuman for getting a scholarship,
for at least he's provided some value in return. Take a hard look at how Summers has distributed scholarships and you can see a bigger problem, if you have a discerning eye.

Shuman is a microcosm of the shift facing Southern and you are either not realizing that shift or just don't care.

Eric,

I've followed Georgia Southern football for 35 years, I don't need you to tell me what we're facing.

Thanks anyways.

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(11-30-2016 04:02 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 03:22 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 03:12 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 01:15 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 01:12 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  Shuman came solely because of Gillespie (his HS coach). I am under the impression that Shuman has allegiance to Gillespie and when he gets fired/leaves, Shuman will not be far away from committing solely to baseball.

Why we wasted a football scholarship on a kid that really is better at baseball is beyond me. Why are we giving the baseball team a free player? A good one at that.

How many scholarships do you think a baseball team gets? Shuman isn't on the roster either. He might be next year.

I dont care. Baseball does not pay for baseball football does.

The answer is 11.7. Baseball is the #2 revenue generating sport at Georgia Southern. Fortunately, the boosters and AD aren't that shortsighted and do care.

My point was a supporting one. Shuman came here to play football, not baseball.

The football scholarship is worth 10 times more and how much in the red does baseball operate compared to football. How many donations to the Eagle Fund are due to football compared to any other sport? How much of the TV revenue is tied to baseball games? How many people are traveling three to four hours to catch a baseball game?
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RE: summers fired?
(11-30-2016 04:18 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  Boy this thread has really run of the tracks.

I'll try to tie it together. Summers clearly didn't have time to come on board and dial up a high 2-star or 3-star dual threat QB, but certainly did one thing right in evaluating that QB was a huge recruiting need for this class. Fritz had missed badly in year one by betting the farm on McConnell and signing just one intentionally.

That, of all things, is one of the rare things that Summers has adequately evaluated.

The decisions since then, far more curious. He essentially demoted Ellison before the season ever started to favor Upshaw and every thing else has spiraled out of control since. Injuries to Upshaw only hastened this misery.

One simply can't fault Shuman for getting a scholarship, for at least he's provided some value in return. Take a hard look at how Summers has distributed scholarships and you can see a bigger problem, if you have a discerning eye.

I am not faulting Shuman he cant sign himself, but I have seen nothing from Shuman to the point I wouldn't have like to see that scholarship go to another great kicker or to another player that actually had at least ONE other offer. There is no way on earth the QB at Valdosta did not get a ton of looks from all kinds of programs and not one other offer was ever reported. Dude can rifle in short passes and take off for under 10 yards before getting hammered. As far as the option he about lost his head the one time they tried to run it.

Exactly what game did we win due to Shuman? Not seeing the value. We could have lost to ULL just as easy with the other two and actually got to see if they had anything.
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RE: summers fired?
(11-30-2016 06:25 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 04:18 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  Boy this thread has really run of the tracks.

I'll try to tie it together. Summers clearly didn't have time to come on board and dial up a high 2-star or 3-star dual threat QB, but certainly did one thing right in evaluating that QB was a huge recruiting need for this class. Fritz had missed badly in year one by betting the farm on McConnell and signing just one intentionally.

That, of all things, is one of the rare things that Summers has adequately evaluated.

The decisions since then, far more curious. He essentially demoted Ellison before the season ever started to favor Upshaw and every thing else has spiraled out of control since. Injuries to Upshaw only hastened this misery.

One simply can't fault Shuman for getting a scholarship, for at least he's provided some value in return. Take a hard look at how Summers has distributed scholarships and you can see a bigger problem, if you have a discerning eye.

I am not faulting Shuman he cant sign himself, but I have seen nothing from Shuman to the point I wouldn't have like to see that scholarship go to another great kicker or to another player that actually had at least ONE other offer. There is no way on earth the QB at Valdosta did not get a ton of looks from all kinds of programs and not one other offer was ever reported. Dude can rifle in short passes and take off for under 10 yards before getting hammered. As far as the option he about lost his head the one time they tried to run it.

Exactly what game did we win due to Shuman? Not seeing the value. We could have lost to ULL just as easy with the other two and actually got to see if they had anything.

It's okay, he's been following Southern football for 35 years. He's got this.
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Put a sock in it, Eric.
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RE: summers fired?
(11-30-2016 06:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 04:02 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 03:22 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 03:12 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 01:15 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Why we wasted a football scholarship on a kid that really is better at baseball is beyond me. Why are we giving the baseball team a free player? A good one at that.

How many scholarships do you think a baseball team gets? Shuman isn't on the roster either. He might be next year.

I dont care. Baseball does not pay for baseball football does.

The answer is 11.7. Baseball is the #2 revenue generating sport at Georgia Southern. Fortunately, the boosters and AD aren't that shortsighted and do care.

My point was a supporting one. Shuman came here to play football, not baseball.

The football scholarship is worth 10 times more and how much in the red does baseball operate compared to football. How many donations to the Eagle Fund are due to football compared to any other sport? How much of the TV revenue is tied to baseball games? How many people are traveling three to four hours to catch a baseball game?

Hell, even when I try to agree with you I get in an argument!

I'm not a moron and I know what drives donations. I couldn't tell you if baseball is "in the red" because it all comes out of the same budget. The same reason I chimed in when you said "Why are we giving the baseball team a free player?". That's not how it works - It is never an individual baseball, football, soccer, basketball, etc. issue as it involves the entire AD. You cannot have a football team without other sports and if you want a good football team, you need a healthy AD. You can't have a healthy AD without being strong (or at least competent) in other sports. That's common sense, I think? If not, then excuse me for being a baseball fan.

Just to let you know, we typically finish in the top 50 in baseball attendance every year. That's about 1,200 people per game and usually between 35-40k total. So that's a couple of football home games on average. Not too shabby, right? I typically come down from Atlanta for a series every year. I'll be there for the conference tournament this year.

TV revenue? 03-lmfao What TV revenue? I think you mean CFP payout.
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(11-30-2016 06:36 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  It's okay, he's been following Southern football for 35 years. He's got this.

Eric - He knows more about the current and past workings of the Georgia Southern AD than probably all of our posters put together. When he slums it up with us and post on this forum, the GS folks trust what he is telling us. You can too. TL/DR: He's kind of a big deal, leave him alone please.
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(11-30-2016 07:14 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 06:36 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  It's okay, he's been following Southern football for 35 years. He's got this.

Eric - He knows more about the current and past workings of the Georgia Southern AD than probably all of our posters put together. When he slums it up with us and post on this forum, the GS folks trust what he is telling us. You can too. TL/DR: He's kind of a big deal, leave him alone please.

I've known 22 for a long time and can confirm this. He's slumming hanging out with peons like us. 22 is like that dog Hamilton on the TV commercial, he's a pretty big deal.
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RE: summers fired?
eric is right about one thing...stuff is going to change on offense as long as Summers returns next year. Contrary to what eric and JCGSU say, however, it wasn't ordained the minute Seth Shuman was signed at QB. I cannot think of an offensive scheme we could be running next year in which Shuman won't be in the running as a starter.
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(11-30-2016 01:18 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  
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(11-30-2016 12:47 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(11-30-2016 11:41 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but Shuman was a LATE add in recruiting. Why was Shuman recruited (by this staff specifically) if he can't run the style option as we did in 2014 and 2015?

These OC and Summers had no long term intentions to run the option. They knew with Senior QB's that they had to continue some aspects of the option, but 2017 season would be transformed into something closer to Air Raid than the option.

I'm done with this coaching staff and their lies. Summers is taking a strong program (with momentum) and making us average to weak!

In my opinion, Shuman could be an above average QB in a system similar to what Troy runs. The issue with that is Georgia Southern, as evidenced by Summers promise to keep the TO, had no intention of changing offensive styles. As mentioned previously, coaches are allowed to shape Southern's success around their tradition which includes variations of an option offense.

Summer's staff isn't well versed on the style of offense that the school requires and when you couple that with a probable 4-8 record, you have a group that could be one and done.

Shuman was not offered by one other college football team in the country. He has one attribute his arm, in which is blisters in every pass at 90+mph, even on crossing routes where you need touch.

He also made poor decisions with just the slightest bit of pressure and really showed no real ability to escape pressure or make a play with his feet or turn a busted play into something like KE has since he was a freshman.

The irony being he has a higher yards per carry than Ellison does. Of course he was also asked to do it less.

You're also talking about a kid that set records at a school that has multiple state championships. He had few offers because he was 100% sold on playing baseball until southern came along with a double offer when his former HS football coach got hired.
Being a graduate and passionate follower of said High School, I personally am glad that Shuman and Gillespie are gone. Shuman with Gillespie's offense couldn't get past the 2nd round of the playoffs and we're stopped in the first round multiple times (that same lack of adjustment followed to GS). With Gillespie gone, we are a day away from playing in the state semifinals for the first time since 2003. Yes there can be an argument that we are no longer in the highest classification, but we beat half of our old region who did move up.
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https://twitter.com/NathanDeenSMN/status...6098342912

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Smoke getting thicker. Fired b4 Jan 1-- 1.2 mil buyout . After Jan 1-- 900K. stay tuned
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(12-01-2016 11:19 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Smoke getting thicker. Fired b4 Jan 1-- 1.2 mil buyout . After Jan 1-- 900K. stay tuned

Remember... if he gets a job after being fired (at his age, he can't have a coaching gap) we only have to pay the difference of his next salary.
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(12-01-2016 11:20 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(12-01-2016 11:19 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Smoke getting thicker. Fired b4 Jan 1-- 1.2 mil buyout . After Jan 1-- 900K. stay tuned

Remember... if he gets a job after being fired (at his age, he can't have a coaching gap) we only have to pay the difference of his next salary.

Yeah, firing him after January would put GS at at risk in two ways: recruiting and limiting the ability of the coach to find a suitable job thus likely having to pay for the entire year.
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(12-01-2016 11:20 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  
(12-01-2016 11:19 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Smoke getting thicker. Fired b4 Jan 1-- 1.2 mil buyout . After Jan 1-- 900K. stay tuned

Remember... if he gets a job after being fired (at his age, he can't have a coaching gap) we only have to pay the difference of his next salary.

Yeah, firing him after January would put GS at at risk in two ways: recruiting and limiting the ability of the coach to find a suitable job thus likely having to pay for the entire year.

Yeah, recruiting is already hurting.

As for the money, I believe we will make do to get us past this dumpster fire.
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Why do the app fans want us to fire summers? If I were them, I would be hoping that staff gets a 5 year extension.
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(12-01-2016 11:52 AM)NashvilleEagle Wrote:  Why do the app fans want us to fire summers? If I were them, I would be hoping that staff gets a 5 year extension.

Who said they wanted us to fire him?

I feel they probably don't want to see Jamey Chadwell (1-0 record in Boone) in a Georgia Southern Polo.
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