OK. I always DVD the games and rewatch later. So i have a question about the overtime period that is really perplexing. So let me describe it and if anyone can expalin the call that was made by the refs, please do.

In the overtime when UC had the ball, the QB dropped back to pass and it looked like he'd lost control of the ball on a pass motion and the ball hit the ground in front of him in what the fans and myself thought was a fumble. But the refs called it an incomplete pass bcause of the motion of his arm forward. So here is my question:

If he was in the throwing motion and the ball hit practically in front of him only a few feet away, why wouldn't that be "intentional grounding". The ball didn't go anywhere near the line of scrimmage and he was under pressure at the time of the pass which I understand is different than "spiking" the ball to stop clock.

So if he had control of the ball and was being pressured and then "threw" it at his feet, wouldn't that be grounding? Grounding is loss of down and a yardage penalty. But the refs bailed UC out on the call i assume. It doesn't make sense to me and maybe someone can enlighten me on that.

Thanks.

(11-26-2016 09:53 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  OK. I always DVD the games and rewatch later. So i have a question about the overtime period that is really perplexing. So let me describe it and if anyone can expalin the call that was made by the refs, please do.

In the overtime when UC had the ball, the QB dropped back to pass and it looked like he'd lost control of the ball on a pass motion and the ball hit the ground in front of him in what the fans and myself thought was a fumble. But the refs called it an incomplete pass bcause of the motion of his arm forward. So here is my question:

If he was in the throwing motion and the ball hit practically in front of him only a few feet away, why wouldn't that be "intentional grounding". The ball didn't go anywhere near the line of scrimmage and he was under pressure at the time of the pass which I understand is different than "spiking" the ball to stop clock.

So if he had control of the ball and was being pressured and then "threw" it at his feet, wouldn't that be grounding? Grounding is loss of down and a yardage penalty. But the refs bailed UC out on the call i assume. It doesn't make sense to me and maybe someone can enlighten me on that.

Thanks.

Seeing it on TV I thought grounding should have been called also Idk why it wasn't but we all know the refs in this league don't always get the job done right. Keevan Lucas even had to correct them during the OT coin toss!

If he is still in the pocket, the ball doesn't have to get to the line of scrimmage....If it slipped out of his hand during the throwing motion they will call it incomplete since he didn't do it on purpose is all I can think of.............otherwise, I don't know.

(11-27-2016 09:25 PM)jfisher Wrote:  If he is still in the pocket, the ball doesn't have to get to the line of scrimmage....If it slipped out of his hand during the throwing motion they will call it incomplete since he didn't do it on purpose is all I can think of.............otherwise, I don't know.

I always thought if the QB is in the tackle box - or between the OT's, he is subject to a posible grounding penalty. If he has control of the ball there and makes the proper throwing motion of a pass but the ball doesn't go past the LOS, it should be intentional grounding - as I understand the way the penalty is ruled. If he makes the throwing motion and loses control of the ball, that should be a fumble as was intitally called on the field. And then to overturn the call, they use video. So since the call was overturned, there must have been some sort of "evidence" in that video to make what looked like a loss of control of the ball, to not be so. And whether a QBs arm goes forward at some point in the motion shouldn't make any difference if he lost control of the ball during that motion.

It just seems like the officials call on the field should have been allowed in that instant since "field calls" hold a lot of credence. It'd be nice if someone asked PM on his radio show tonite about that and someone smarter than me to explain why they made the call they did.