Without the mid-term,and February JC's, and the transfers A-State would not have the most talented roster of players in the SBC, or have won are shared as many titles as the have.

My advise is get good players any way you can get them.

The only down sides has been the slower than expected starts the last two years, and that is 99.99999 percent a result of the approach your HC has taken to the season. Not saying he is totally wrong mind you just that his teams will tend to be ready come conference time not before.

a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

We got commitments for five 5* players...................................


Never mind, that was Alabama.

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

i think many stAte fans share the same concerns. I also think it can be tricky to get team chemistry and leaders when you have a heavy transfer and juco team. Definitely caused issues early on for stAte. Some people that transfer have a great atitude and come in ready to play and help. Others come in with a more self-centered and entitled attitude. They seem to think its all about them. That doesn't help.

I'm pretty certain we can only sign 19 and we cannot sign and Juco kids in the early period. Part of the sanctions we incurred for the NCAA infractions.

(12-14-2016 03:46 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 01:45 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  If you believe the stuff you read on Boards like this, neither figured into Withers long term plans. . . . .

. . . If that's the case, then it's "probably" no great loss . . .

Aside from there being zero QBs on the team now. Spring ball should be really exciting. I guess now we have to rely on a true freshman to learn the system in a month or so. That sounds like the makings of another long season.

Yeah . . . just when you think it can't get any worse in San Marcos. . . . .

I understand that the situation Withers walked into was "less than ideal," but at this point, I'm starting to wonder if perhaps he didn't go too far. .. if he can't recruit to replace what's gone, it's going to suck for a long time. Funny how one new coach can come in, and in his first year take a 6 year old program to a bowl, and another comes in and has to blow the whole thing up . . .

I'd tell the Bobcat faithful to use the off-season to "get those excuses ready," but by now, I'm sure that we all have them committed to memory . . . .

Sucks to be us . . .

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

(12-14-2016 04:43 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

i think many stAte fans share the same concerns. I also think it can be tricky to get team chemistry and leaders when you have a heavy transfer and juco team. Definitely caused issues early on for stAte. Some people that transfer have a great atitude and come in ready to play and help. Others come in with a more self-centered and entitled attitude. They seem to think its all about them. That doesn't help.

I think most A-State fans have correctly come to the conclusion the problems they have are more along the lines of coaching and not their talent.

As far as your comment about their "self-centered and entitled attitude", the biggest problem is they seem to have adopted the attitude of their HC, and please try and remember Anderson heaped nothing but praise on them and their work efforts.

As for his efforts to rebuild the Blake Anderson brand with their fan base, would someone ask him what he means when he says they are not built right for OOC play, but are for SBC play. Is he saying SBC teams are physically inferior to UCA, and Utah State?

My advise to A-State is at the first opportunity get a new HC.

(12-12-2016 01:33 PM)CatMom Wrote:  News today out of the TXST universe more than confirms we will have an unknown at QB next season.

White - who was in most of the stAte game - is graduating and will transfer

Printz - who was intermittent in that game, has signed a pro contract to play in Italy.

Keff Ciardello ‏@Keff_C 2m2 minutes ago

Scratch that on White. Now hearing He is planning on transferring after he graduates this month. Not sure where but looks like he's gone too

A pro contract in what sport?

South Alabama signs talented JUCO running back

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/...river_home

"Walters is rated the No. 6 junior college running back in the country by 247 Sports. He will enroll in January and participate in spring practice."

(12-15-2016 08:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

(12-14-2016 04:43 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

i think many stAte fans share the same concerns. I also think it can be tricky to get team chemistry and leaders when you have a heavy transfer and juco team. Definitely caused issues early on for stAte. Some people that transfer have a great atitude and come in ready to play and help. Others come in with a more self-centered and entitled attitude. They seem to think its all about them. That doesn't help.

I think most A-State fans have correctly come to the conclusion the problems they have are more along the lines of coaching and not their talent.

As far as your comment about their "self-centered and entitled attitude", the biggest problem is they seem to have adopted the attitude of their HC, and please try and remember Anderson heaped nothing but praise on them and their work efforts.

As for his efforts to rebuild the Blake Anderson brand with their fan base, would someone ask him what he means when he says they are not built right for OOC play, but are for SBC play. Is he saying SBC teams are physically inferior to UCA, and Utah State?

My advise to A-State is at the first opportunity get a new HC.

That was a very cute assessment.

As for signing JUCOS. A lot of schools at our level sign JUCOs to fill holes particularly in the defensive backfield and the offensive and defensive lines because those positions just don't produce a whole bunch of high end talent at the high school level. The really good ones are usually scooped up by the larger schools. I'm perfectly ok with JUCO signings to fill some gaps each year. Heck, even the almighty Alabama signed 2 JUCO OL yesterday.

Looks like Mississippi State is racking up the JCs this year.

http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Footbal...iorcollege

(12-15-2016 09:06 AM)stAte3 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

(12-14-2016 04:43 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

i think many stAte fans share the same concerns. I also think it can be tricky to get team chemistry and leaders when you have a heavy transfer and juco team. Definitely caused issues early on for stAte. Some people that transfer have a great atitude and come in ready to play and help. Others come in with a more self-centered and entitled attitude. They seem to think its all about them. That doesn't help.

I think most A-State fans have correctly come to the conclusion the problems they have are more along the lines of coaching and not their talent.

As far as your comment about their "self-centered and entitled attitude", the biggest problem is they seem to have adopted the attitude of their HC, and please try and remember Anderson heaped nothing but praise on them and their work efforts.

As for his efforts to rebuild the Blake Anderson brand with their fan base, would someone ask him what he means when he says they are not built right for OOC play, but are for SBC play. Is he saying SBC teams are physically inferior to UCA, and Utah State?

My advise to A-State is at the first opportunity get a new HC.

That was a very cute assessment.

As for signing JUCOS. A lot of schools at our level sign JUCOs to fill holes particularly in the defensive backfield and the offensive and defensive lines because those positions just don't produce a whole bunch of high end talent at the high school level. The really good ones are usually scooped up by the larger schools. I'm perfectly ok with JUCO signings to fill some gaps each year. Heck, even the almighty Alabama signed 2 JUCO OL yesterday.

Was not trying to be cute.

Their ability to sign quality mid-term players to fill holes in their lineups, something that is hard to do because they are in demand, is a big reason they have continued to have success in SBC play( most don't get included in their class rankings, which are still the best in the SBC). That is something even their HC will agree with, and besides you can look at their 2-deep every year and see how important they are to their success.

Not taking them would be rather stupid IMO.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=SBC

I added the link to the 2016 College Football Team Talent Composite to show that they are also recruiting good HS players, arguably the best in the SBC.

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

7-5

(12-15-2016 09:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:06 AM)stAte3 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

(12-14-2016 04:43 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

i think many stAte fans share the same concerns. I also think it can be tricky to get team chemistry and leaders when you have a heavy transfer and juco team. Definitely caused issues early on for stAte. Some people that transfer have a great atitude and come in ready to play and help. Others come in with a more self-centered and entitled attitude. They seem to think its all about them. That doesn't help.

I think most A-State fans have correctly come to the conclusion the problems they have are more along the lines of coaching and not their talent.

As far as your comment about their "self-centered and entitled attitude", the biggest problem is they seem to have adopted the attitude of their HC, and please try and remember Anderson heaped nothing but praise on them and their work efforts.

As for his efforts to rebuild the Blake Anderson brand with their fan base, would someone ask him what he means when he says they are not built right for OOC play, but are for SBC play. Is he saying SBC teams are physically inferior to UCA, and Utah State?

My advise to A-State is at the first opportunity get a new HC.

That was a very cute assessment.

As for signing JUCOS. A lot of schools at our level sign JUCOs to fill holes particularly in the defensive backfield and the offensive and defensive lines because those positions just don't produce a whole bunch of high end talent at the high school level. The really good ones are usually scooped up by the larger schools. I'm perfectly ok with JUCO signings to fill some gaps each year. Heck, even the almighty Alabama signed 2 JUCO OL yesterday.

Was not trying to be cute.

Their ability to sign quality mid-term players to fill holes in their lineups, something that is hard to do because they are in demand, is a big reason they have continued to have success in SBC play( most don't get included in their class rankings, which are still the best in the SBC). That is something even their HC will agree with, and besides you can look at their 2-deep every year and see how important they are to their success.

Not taking them would be rather stupid IMO.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=SBC

Remember both GS and App will only full FBS strength starting next season. Also our 2013 class was technically still a FCS class as well and was not in the ball park of classes since, especially last year. Of our 36 five star kids I think only five are leaving the team this year. This class is not shaping up to well but we both will make ground in the talent composite likely this year as all the non fair or unfair unranked FCS seniors come off the books. Our per recruit average is higher than ArkSt. ArkSt is beating us by quantity as of now and we dont take many JUCO's or transfers. Might this year with the offense change though. It has been the experience at GS that transfers and JUCO's come in highly touted but miss just as much if not more than typical recruits.

Really shows how bad ArkSt and especially GS under performed given the talent on the roster this year. If our current coach could recruit anywhere in the vicinity of Fritz we would a clear #1 on the team talent composite going into next year but this guy is tanking in recruiting. Hopefully the new OC and the guys he is bringing in have some recruiting ability.

That talent composite also shows that while coaching can f up good talent the standings look awfully like the team talent rankings the last few years for all those that think recruit rankings are "garbage" at our level.

ULM signs 5 JUCOs that all will be here for spring and have 2 years left. One 6'6 330 OL that played high school at Monroe's Neville, with offers from a Texas Tech, Oregon St., USF, Ohio, Troy, and UAB, and then a 5'11 CB, 6'1 CB, and 6'3 safety.

(12-15-2016 10:55 AM)PrideoftheStAte Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

7-5

I dont know how many juco's and transfers you guys have but if my team is going to go 7-5 I would rather do it with mostly four year guys.

Does not really show on the field either.
Mixed results at best.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/...n_the.html

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2015/8/...nsas-State

(12-15-2016 11:43 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:06 AM)stAte3 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:53 PM)moehler Wrote:  a big part of Anderson recruiting is Jucos, to each his own, the goal is winning, and even though they finished 6-5 they we're still co champs and bowling. Personally I hope App never goes that route, Jucos are fine to fill holes on your team, but it would make me really nervous if we started bringing in a larger than normal number almost every year.

(12-14-2016 04:43 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  i think many stAte fans share the same concerns. I also think it can be tricky to get team chemistry and leaders when you have a heavy transfer and juco team. Definitely caused issues early on for stAte. Some people that transfer have a great atitude and come in ready to play and help. Others come in with a more self-centered and entitled attitude. They seem to think its all about them. That doesn't help.

I think most A-State fans have correctly come to the conclusion the problems they have are more along the lines of coaching and not their talent.

As far as your comment about their "self-centered and entitled attitude", the biggest problem is they seem to have adopted the attitude of their HC, and please try and remember Anderson heaped nothing but praise on them and their work efforts.

As for his efforts to rebuild the Blake Anderson brand with their fan base, would someone ask him what he means when he says they are not built right for OOC play, but are for SBC play. Is he saying SBC teams are physically inferior to UCA, and Utah State?

My advise to A-State is at the first opportunity get a new HC.

That was a very cute assessment.

As for signing JUCOS. A lot of schools at our level sign JUCOs to fill holes particularly in the defensive backfield and the offensive and defensive lines because those positions just don't produce a whole bunch of high end talent at the high school level. The really good ones are usually scooped up by the larger schools. I'm perfectly ok with JUCO signings to fill some gaps each year. Heck, even the almighty Alabama signed 2 JUCO OL yesterday.

Was not trying to be cute.

Their ability to sign quality mid-term players to fill holes in their lineups, something that is hard to do because they are in demand, is a big reason they have continued to have success in SBC play( most don't get included in their class rankings, which are still the best in the SBC). That is something even their HC will agree with, and besides you can look at their 2-deep every year and see how important they are to their success.

Not taking them would be rather stupid IMO.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=SBC

Remember both GS and App will only full FBS strength starting next season. This class is not shaping up to well but we both will make ground in the talent composite likely this year as all the non fair or unfair unranked FCS seniors come off the books. Our per recruit average is higher than ArkSt. ArkSt is beating us by quantity as of now and we dont take many JUCO's or transfers. Might this year with the offense change though. It has been the experience at GS that transfers and JUCO's come in highly touted but miss just as much if not more than typical recruits.

Really shows how bad ArkSt and especially GS under performed given the talent on the roster this year. If our current coach could recruit anywhere in the vicinity of Fritz we would a clear #1 on the team talent composite going into next year but this guy is tanking in recruiting. Hopefully the new OC and the guys he is bringing in have some recruiting ability.

That talent composite also shows that while coaching can f up good talent the standings look awfully like the team talent rankings the last few years for all those that think recruit rankings are "garbage" at our level.

That A-State should have won at least 9 games is really irksome to their fans, that's for sure.

Sorry for chiming in here, but I gave an overview of what to expect from A-State in 2017 (the last time I'm doing so) on another message board, and visited here after the fact ,and saw this thread, and have been trying to decide if I needed to change my prediction.

Predicting another so-so OOC performance(2-2 at best), and while they will probably be picked lower than normal in the SBC I expect they will again be in the hunt for SBC title(assuming they do not play Appalachian State, and get UL and Troy at home), and make another bowl game.

(12-15-2016 12:07 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:43 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:06 AM)stAte3 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 08:25 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  I think most A-State fans have correctly come to the conclusion the problems they have are more along the lines of coaching and not their talent.

As far as your comment about their "self-centered and entitled attitude", the biggest problem is they seem to have adopted the attitude of their HC, and please try and remember Anderson heaped nothing but praise on them and their work efforts.

As for his efforts to rebuild the Blake Anderson brand with their fan base, would someone ask him what he means when he says they are not built right for OOC play, but are for SBC play. Is he saying SBC teams are physically inferior to UCA, and Utah State?

My advise to A-State is at the first opportunity get a new HC.

That was a very cute assessment.

As for signing JUCOS. A lot of schools at our level sign JUCOs to fill holes particularly in the defensive backfield and the offensive and defensive lines because those positions just don't produce a whole bunch of high end talent at the high school level. The really good ones are usually scooped up by the larger schools. I'm perfectly ok with JUCO signings to fill some gaps each year. Heck, even the almighty Alabama signed 2 JUCO OL yesterday.

Was not trying to be cute.

Their ability to sign quality mid-term players to fill holes in their lineups, something that is hard to do because they are in demand, is a big reason they have continued to have success in SBC play( most don't get included in their class rankings, which are still the best in the SBC). That is something even their HC will agree with, and besides you can look at their 2-deep every year and see how important they are to their success.

Not taking them would be rather stupid IMO.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=SBC

Remember both GS and App will only full FBS strength starting next season. This class is not shaping up to well but we both will make ground in the talent composite likely this year as all the non fair or unfair unranked FCS seniors come off the books. Our per recruit average is higher than ArkSt. ArkSt is beating us by quantity as of now and we dont take many JUCO's or transfers. Might this year with the offense change though. It has been the experience at GS that transfers and JUCO's come in highly touted but miss just as much if not more than typical recruits.

Really shows how bad ArkSt and especially GS under performed given the talent on the roster this year. If our current coach could recruit anywhere in the vicinity of Fritz we would a clear #1 on the team talent composite going into next year but this guy is tanking in recruiting. Hopefully the new OC and the guys he is bringing in have some recruiting ability.

That talent composite also shows that while coaching can f up good talent the standings look awfully like the team talent rankings the last few years for all those that think recruit rankings are "garbage" at our level.

That A-State should have won at least 9 games is really irksome to their fans, that's for sure.

Sorry for chiming in here, but I gave an overview of what to expect from A-State in 2017 (the last time I'm doing so) on another message board, and visited here after the fact ,and saw this thread, and have been trying to decide if I needed to change my prediction.

Predicting another so-so OOC performance(2-2 at best), and while they will probably be picked lower than normal in the SBC I expect they will again be in the hunt for SBC title(assuming they do not play Appalachian State, and get UL and Troy at home), and make another bowl game.

Seminole, We play At Nebraska and Miami at home next year to go along with at SMU and UAPB. 2 wins is probably the high water mark for every Sun Belt team with that OOC slate.

2-2 wouldn't be a So-So OOC run at all.

(12-15-2016 01:44 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 12:07 PM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 11:43 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:21 AM)Seminole Indian Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 09:06 AM)stAte3 Wrote:  That was a very cute assessment.

As for signing JUCOS. A lot of schools at our level sign JUCOs to fill holes particularly in the defensive backfield and the offensive and defensive lines because those positions just don't produce a whole bunch of high end talent at the high school level. The really good ones are usually scooped up by the larger schools. I'm perfectly ok with JUCO signings to fill some gaps each year. Heck, even the almighty Alabama signed 2 JUCO OL yesterday.

Was not trying to be cute.

Their ability to sign quality mid-term players to fill holes in their lineups, something that is hard to do because they are in demand, is a big reason they have continued to have success in SBC play( most don't get included in their class rankings, which are still the best in the SBC). That is something even their HC will agree with, and besides you can look at their 2-deep every year and see how important they are to their success.

Not taking them would be rather stupid IMO.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...erence=SBC

Remember both GS and App will only full FBS strength starting next season. This class is not shaping up to well but we both will make ground in the talent composite likely this year as all the non fair or unfair unranked FCS seniors come off the books. Our per recruit average is higher than ArkSt. ArkSt is beating us by quantity as of now and we dont take many JUCO's or transfers. Might this year with the offense change though. It has been the experience at GS that transfers and JUCO's come in highly touted but miss just as much if not more than typical recruits.

Really shows how bad ArkSt and especially GS under performed given the talent on the roster this year. If our current coach could recruit anywhere in the vicinity of Fritz we would a clear #1 on the team talent composite going into next year but this guy is tanking in recruiting. Hopefully the new OC and the guys he is bringing in have some recruiting ability.

That talent composite also shows that while coaching can f up good talent the standings look awfully like the team talent rankings the last few years for all those that think recruit rankings are "garbage" at our level.

That A-State should have won at least 9 games is really irksome to their fans, that's for sure.

Sorry for chiming in here, but I gave an overview of what to expect from A-State in 2017 (the last time I'm doing so) on another message board, and visited here after the fact ,and saw this thread, and have been trying to decide if I needed to change my prediction.

Predicting another so-so OOC performance(2-2 at best), and while they will probably be picked lower than normal in the SBC I expect they will again be in the hunt for SBC title(assuming they do not play Appalachian State, and get UL and Troy at home), and make another bowl game.

Seminole, We play At Nebraska and Miami at home next year to go along with at SMU and UAPB. 2 wins is probably the high water mark for every Sun Belt team with that OOC slate.

2-2 wouldn't be a So-So OOC run at all.

Don't let UAPB sneak up on you, they are dangerous!