(11-03-2016 12:35 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  When Nick Saban does this, he's a genius. When Fritz does it he's a scum bag.

Straw men straw men everywhere. Who are these people calling him a genius? Can you quote anyone on here? Last time this happened I think it was Petrino and well he is a scumbag.

(11-03-2016 12:38 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 12:21 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 12:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 11:50 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  Agreed. These guys act like this is something new.

I hope when a kid flips in February that someone makes a post calling the kid a scumbag.

Moral equivalence aside pulling offers tends to piss high school coaches off and news spreads. Not good business.


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I think we all know that 18 year olds are nothing but scumbags in wait.

But they're also kids, and their brain has not fully developed the connections and neural pathways that relate actions to consequences which is why they do dumb ****.

I'd expect much different out of adults, especially at 50+.

Scumbag is tampering with the recruiting board at your old school on the way out the door. It is fairly common place in college athletics for a kid to commit, and then lose his scholarship. Is it right? Debatable, but you guys are crucifying fritz for something that most every Sun Belt Coach would do as well if presented with the same situation. We've done it before...and that High School didn't make a public spectacle out of claiming we were banned for it. Life went on.

I have never heard of GS pulling an offer for zero reason to this point. Yes 18 year old kids change their minds a little more. Both are crappy but I dont see them near the same.

There wasn't zero reason, they likely only wanted one QB commit per class like we do, and saw with their record that there was a more immediate need for a JUCO kid who could start immediately, than a Freshman who would need seasoning and a redshirt year.

We recruit in a state where the local SEC school likes to Toy with recruits until the last second, leaving them in the dark about whether or not their offer is valid, or if they will even get an offer to begin with. Because of that Anderson has several offers each class that are "non commit-able" It's an offer, but not one the recruit can commit to. We do it so if the local SEC screws over the local 4 star kid for the 5 star flavor of the day in late January, we can jump in and pick up the pieces without screwing over one of our own commits in the process.

That's what Fritz should have done. But this doesn't make him a scumbag.

Ok...let me clarify...zero reason on the kids part as in academics or behavior....

We can just agree to disagree that this is acceptable...

I think when you tell a recruit to his face his spot is secure, tell him not to take official visits and shut down his recruiting and he does and have the family spend their own money the didnt have to visit the school you are a d bag after all that to pull the offer after the kid commits. I think some of you are not reading the article and how invested this kid was and what he was told.

It is one thing if there was just over the phone general commit with no real face to face and the kid was still taking visits, talking with other schools and all over twitter begging for people to watch his highlights.

Same thing happened here
http://csnbbs.com/thread-795954.html

Where's the outrage against Freeze?

(11-03-2016 12:10 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 11:48 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Fritz is a scumbag, but this particular decision doesn't suddenly make him one. It's fairly common practice in collegiate recruiting.

Yeah I agree. This happens quite a bit and others just don't make a big deal about it. It's part of the game. The player can switch his commitment at any time too up until signing day if he wants. It's not fair to cry foul when coaches do it, but not do the same when players do it. He's got plenty of time before signing day to find another team. If he did it the day before signing day that would be a different story. The thing about these stories is the players can slant it any way they want and the coaches at Tulane can't tell their side of the story because of recruiting rules.

I think the factor that makes Fritz stand out from the others is that he makes a VERY big deal with recruits about not allowing them to take additional visits, etc. He requires all activity to stop based on his representation that his program is committed to the recruits and he expects the same from the recruits. This kid actually relied on that representation and played by the rules Fritz set (which far exceed the norm) but the scholarship was pulled anyway. If Fritz wants to set rules of conduct in excess of normal recruiting rules, that's fine but I think he needs to play by his own rules.

It is early enough in the process that this kid is going to land somewhere and it might actually be better than Tulane. It's not hard to beat Tulane football-wise, but academically it's an excellent school.

It would serve Fritz right if every recruit they have on their commit list were to re-open their recruitment since they now know that, in fact Tulane has made no firm commitment to them.

(11-03-2016 11:25 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 11:12 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  If I had to guess, the story is probably embellished just a hair.


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I don't think it is at all. We saw Fritz' dirty recruiting tactics first hand when he was at Georgia Southern. This is perfectly in character for him.

Now that he's gone and we all hate him, can you or any App fans explain what it is that WF did that made many of yall so angry?

(11-03-2016 11:48 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Fritz is a scumbag, but this particular decision doesn't suddenly make him one. It's fairly common practice in collegiate recruiting.

This. If it has to happen it has to happen. I'd rather him tell me to decommit than for him to keep me on anyway without ever having the intention of playing me (at least QB). It sucks, but at least he's got time now to find someone else who DOES want to play him.

(11-03-2016 02:36 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 11:25 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 11:12 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  If I had to guess, the story is probably embellished just a hair.


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I don't think it is at all. We saw Fritz' dirty recruiting tactics first hand when he was at Georgia Southern. This is perfectly in character for him.

Now that he's gone and we all hate him, can you or any App fans explain what it is that WF did that made many of yall so angry?

He left, and a lot of Southern fans are still Butt Hurt about it . . . . .

(11-03-2016 01:37 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  Same thing happened here
http://csnbbs.com/thread-795954.html

Where's the outrage against Freeze?

Lol I don't think we have enough time to talk about all of Freeze's moral shortcomings as a coach.

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I remember people dogged AState because a kid who had an offer, committed, then lost his spot when he took another visit, then came to the last weekend visit and was sat down with another player and they were told there was one spot, first to commit gets it. They leave and the other one talks to his parents calls and commits the other waits a few hours and calls to commit and is told he's SOL. He threw a fit on twitter and AState was the bad guy.

Our coaches are clear. You commit you don't have any guarantees if you take another visit.

Now I know there have been players who have been told they would be better off going to junior college. They are told they are guaranteed one year of scholarship at AState if they want to come ahead and come.

(11-03-2016 04:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I remember people dogged AState because a kid who had an offer, committed, then lost his spot when he took another visit, then came to the last weekend visit and was sat down with another player and they were told there was one spot, first to commit gets it. They leave and the other one talks to his parents calls and commits the other waits a few hours and calls to commit and is told he's SOL. He threw a fit on twitter and AState was the bad guy.

Our coaches are clear. You commit you don't have any guarantees if you take another visit.

Now I know there have been players who have been told they would be better off going to junior college. They are told they are guaranteed one year of scholarship at AState if they want to come ahead and come.

Was that the one that's now a LB at Navy. I think he's starting and doing pretty well there. We've got some pretty good linebackers now, so he might not being playing that much at stAte.

(11-03-2016 04:33 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I remember people dogged AState because a kid who had an offer, committed, then lost his spot when he took another visit, then came to the last weekend visit and was sat down with another player and they were told there was one spot, first to commit gets it. They leave and the other one talks to his parents calls and commits the other waits a few hours and calls to commit and is told he's SOL. He threw a fit on twitter and AState was the bad guy.

Our coaches are clear. You commit you don't have any guarantees if you take another visit.

Now I know there have been players who have been told they would be better off going to junior college. They are told they are guaranteed one year of scholarship at AState if they want to come ahead and come.

Was that the one that's now a LB at Navy. I think he's starting and doing pretty well there. We've got some pretty good linebackers now, so he might not being playing that much at stAte.

I remember that pud.


http://m.navysports.com/m/sports/m-footb...07637.html


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(11-03-2016 04:37 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:33 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I remember people dogged AState because a kid who had an offer, committed, then lost his spot when he took another visit, then came to the last weekend visit and was sat down with another player and they were told there was one spot, first to commit gets it. They leave and the other one talks to his parents calls and commits the other waits a few hours and calls to commit and is told he's SOL. He threw a fit on twitter and AState was the bad guy.

Our coaches are clear. You commit you don't have any guarantees if you take another visit.

Now I know there have been players who have been told they would be better off going to junior college. They are told they are guaranteed one year of scholarship at AState if they want to come ahead and come.

Was that the one that's now a LB at Navy. I think he's starting and doing pretty well there. We've got some pretty good linebackers now, so he might not being playing that much at stAte.

I remember that pud.


http://m.navysports.com/m/sports/m-footb...07637.html


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That pud will be defending your freedom soon.

(11-03-2016 04:43 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:37 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:33 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I remember people dogged AState because a kid who had an offer, committed, then lost his spot when he took another visit, then came to the last weekend visit and was sat down with another player and they were told there was one spot, first to commit gets it. They leave and the other one talks to his parents calls and commits the other waits a few hours and calls to commit and is told he's SOL. He threw a fit on twitter and AState was the bad guy.

Our coaches are clear. You commit you don't have any guarantees if you take another visit.

Now I know there have been players who have been told they would be better off going to junior college. They are told they are guaranteed one year of scholarship at AState if they want to come ahead and come.

Was that the one that's now a LB at Navy. I think he's starting and doing pretty well there. We've got some pretty good linebackers now, so he might not being playing that much at stAte.

I remember that pud.


http://m.navysports.com/m/sports/m-footb...07637.html


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That pud will be defending your freedom soon.

Yeah I can appreciate that sacrifice.

But in reference to the above story, he was being a pud.


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The line about needing to go JuCo tells me that Fritz is building to leave again. He could bring in a freshman to groom for his Redshirt Freshman season but is interested in JuCo's because he has no intention to hang around for three seasons.

(11-03-2016 05:56 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  The line about needing to go JuCo tells me that Fritz is building to leave again. He could bring in a freshman to groom for his Redshirt Freshman season but is interested in JuCo's because he has no intention to hang around for three seasons.

He had a freshman early enroll last December, so he's already been there for one spring. He was originally going to enroll at Georgia Southern but Fritz left before he'd actually enrolled. He'd be a good candidate to be in the mix next year, unless they don't have faith in his potential. It's quite possible because Fritz/Ruse didn't have a great track record with QB's they signed at Georgia Southern.

(11-03-2016 01:37 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  Same thing happened here
http://csnbbs.com/thread-795954.html

Where's the outrage against Freeze?

I think I'll be plenty outraged at Freeze on Saturday afternoon.

(11-03-2016 04:43 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:37 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:33 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I remember people dogged AState because a kid who had an offer, committed, then lost his spot when he took another visit, then came to the last weekend visit and was sat down with another player and they were told there was one spot, first to commit gets it. They leave and the other one talks to his parents calls and commits the other waits a few hours and calls to commit and is told he's SOL. He threw a fit on twitter and AState was the bad guy.

Our coaches are clear. You commit you don't have any guarantees if you take another visit.

Now I know there have been players who have been told they would be better off going to junior college. They are told they are guaranteed one year of scholarship at AState if they want to come ahead and come.

Was that the one that's now a LB at Navy. I think he's starting and doing pretty well there. We've got some pretty good linebackers now, so he might not being playing that much at stAte.

I remember that pud.


http://m.navysports.com/m/sports/m-footb...07637.html


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That pud will be defending your freedom soon.

That's well and good and appreciate his willingness to swap his football skill for an appointment and a commitment.

Hopefully the rigorous training and discipline at the Naval Academy helps him move past believing that when you enter into an agreement that only the other guy and not he is bound to the terms without consequences. If nothing else maybe he has learned that when you break a deal that posting photos of you breaking it on Twitter isn't a great idea.

(11-03-2016 05:05 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:43 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:37 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:33 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 04:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I remember people dogged AState because a kid who had an offer, committed, then lost his spot when he took another visit, then came to the last weekend visit and was sat down with another player and they were told there was one spot, first to commit gets it. They leave and the other one talks to his parents calls and commits the other waits a few hours and calls to commit and is told he's SOL. He threw a fit on twitter and AState was the bad guy.

Our coaches are clear. You commit you don't have any guarantees if you take another visit.

Now I know there have been players who have been told they would be better off going to junior college. They are told they are guaranteed one year of scholarship at AState if they want to come ahead and come.

Was that the one that's now a LB at Navy. I think he's starting and doing pretty well there. We've got some pretty good linebackers now, so he might not being playing that much at stAte.

I remember that pud.


http://m.navysports.com/m/sports/m-footb...07637.html


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That pud will be defending your freedom soon.

Yeah I can appreciate that sacrifice.

But in reference to the above story, he was being a pud.


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Yes, he was a huge pud.

(11-03-2016 03:47 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 02:36 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 11:25 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 11:12 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  If I had to guess, the story is probably embellished just a hair.


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I don't think it is at all. We saw Fritz' dirty recruiting tactics first hand when he was at Georgia Southern. This is perfectly in character for him.

Now that he's gone and we all hate him, can you or any App fans explain what it is that WF did that made many of yall so angry?

He left, and a lot of Southern fans are still Butt Hurt about it . . . . .

Yet an App fan started this thread.... "Butt Hurt" 2000 called and wants it douche message board sayings back. The only thing I can get is the handful of TXST fans that are obsessed with GS...its just weird.

(11-04-2016 11:55 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 03:47 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 02:36 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 11:25 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(11-03-2016 11:12 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  If I had to guess, the story is probably embellished just a hair.


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I don't think it is at all. We saw Fritz' dirty recruiting tactics first hand when he was at Georgia Southern. This is perfectly in character for him.

Now that he's gone and we all hate him, can you or any App fans explain what it is that WF did that made many of yall so angry?

He left, and a lot of Southern fans are still Butt Hurt about it . . . . .

Yet an App fan started this thread.... "Butt Hurt" 2000 called and wants it douche message board sayings back. The only thing I can get is the handful of TXST fans that are obsessed with GS...its just weird.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good old fashion Southern bash.

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