(11-02-2016 12:25 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 06:09 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  PAC takes UNLV, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State

(I don't see the PAC being willing to take BYU on political grounds. I pick UNLV because Las Vegas is about to get a new NFL stadium so the appetite for football and the facilities should increase. I think overall they would be more amenable to adding established Big 12 schools in new markets as opposed to MWC teams within their own footprint.)

Las Vegas' football appetite will be mostly quenched by the Raiders.

BYU fans routinely outnumbered UNLV fans for MWC games at Sam Boyd Stadium. We refer to Sam Boyd as "LES South." (LES = Lavell Edwards Stadium).

The PAC's better plan would be to take BYU and some Central time zone schools then have an annual PAC kickoff classic type game in the Las Vegas stadium and create a new Las Vegas Bowl game. Perhaps have 1 or 2 PAC conference games in Las Vegas each year.

PAC would be better served with USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, BYU, and Arizona playing in Las Vegas than adding UNLV.

Problem is the PAC won't take BYU. They would have taken them over Utah had they been interested. It's not fair, but the religious/political issues will keep the PAC from sniffing BYU.

(10-30-2016 07:41 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 07:20 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Lol. SEC is not taking Baylor.

If you don't get Baylor, then you have to take West Virginia.........your choice.

Nope. Mizzou is fine in the SEC. Send Baylor to the B1G. lol Send UT to the B1G. They have matching egos.

(10-30-2016 07:23 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-30-2016 07:20 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Lol. SEC is not taking Baylor.

Exactly!

Thank God

Art Briles made Baylor an anomaly....before him, they were a perennial doormat....playing in Waco, Texas

They would be another Vanderbilt and add nothing

(10-30-2016 03:59 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  Would the ACC pick Cincy over UConn?

UConn academics and basketball are a perfect match. East coast school as well.

UCONN has one permanent vote against them: Boston College. BC wants everything N/NE of the Big Apple to be considered BC country.

UCONN also has several strong no votes from Southern football schools who see UCONN (rightly) as a football laughing stock who brings another mouth to feed, NO recruiting turf at all, larger travel expense, and no fan base to fill visiting sections. This earns additional no votes from at least FSU, Clemson, GT, and probably VT.


We can stop here -- we've already assembled enough no votes to block UCONN. And we didn't even have to get into who UCONN pissed off by trying to sue the ACC during the first round of expansion in 2003 to get there.


UCONN is like a carpetbagging ECU. It may be a geographic fit. It may be a size fit. They may even have athletic programs which could be competitive in the conference. But due to overlap and politics .... they're not going to see an invite. The only time it makes sense to expand AND overlap is if you're really helping drive attendance at the gate, creating compelling TV matchups, and/or driving competition out of your turf. UCONN does none of these things. In that regard, ECU is a vastly superior expansion choice for the ACC before UCONN. And Cincinnati fixes what is wrong with ECU as a candidate ... better academic prestige, no duplicate market coverage, new valuable recruiting turf, and no political baggage. The downside is they're a geographical outlier, but not severely so due to ND/UofL.

(11-07-2016 01:56 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Nope. Mizzou is fine in the SEC. Send Baylor to the B1G. lol Send UT to the B1G. They have matching egos.

You'll have to come to terms with the fact tha Mizzou is the "WTF?" of the SEC. Nearly every conference has at least one. Somebody who makes no geographic sense and creates almost no good TV matchups. Yet somehow someway they managed to get in.

ACC: Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville
B1G: Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska
SEC: Mizzou, Arkansas, Vanderbilt
Pac12: Colorado, Utah


I think most reasonable people can agree that everybody above is better placed in some ideal fairy tale world in a different conference. And as long as you have forced fits like this, and people willing to live with them in exchange for the almighty dollar, there will be instability.

(11-07-2016 07:58 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:56 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Nope. Mizzou is fine in the SEC. Send Baylor to the B1G. lol Send UT to the B1G. They have matching egos.

You'll have to come to terms with the fact tha Mizzou is the "WTF?" of the SEC. Nearly every conference has at least one. Somebody who makes no geographic sense and creates almost no good TV matchups. Yet somehow someway they managed to get in.

ACC: Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville
B1G: Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska
SEC: Mizzou, Arkansas, Vanderbilt
Pac12: Colorado, Utah


I think most reasonable people can agree that everybody above is better placed in some ideal fairy tale world in a different conference. And as long as you have forced fits like this, and people willing to live with them in exchange for the almighty dollar, there will be instability.

Well.....Missourians did kill Kansans in the War of Northern Aggression! That makes them Southern enough. I'm sure they have UDC and SOC chapters in the Show Me state!

(11-07-2016 08:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well.....Missourians did kill Kansans in the War of Northern Aggression! That makes them Southern enough. I'm sure they have UDC and SOC chapters in the Show Me state!

Melissa Click. Your move.

(11-07-2016 08:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 08:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well.....Missourians did kill Kansans in the War of Northern Aggression! That makes them Southern enough. I'm sure they have UDC and SOC chapters in the Show Me state!

Melissa Click. Your move.

Well it is a border state and they did fire her. It's going to take them some time to isolate their Damned Yankees from the their Yankees and eliminate them. Melissa Click is a good first move, wouldn't you say?!

If Missouri didn't have 6 million people nobody would care. And if you believe that brands are more important than markets, Missouri is worth very little.

(11-07-2016 08:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 07:58 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:56 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Nope. Mizzou is fine in the SEC. Send Baylor to the B1G. lol Send UT to the B1G. They have matching egos.

You'll have to come to terms with the fact tha Mizzou is the "WTF?" of the SEC. Nearly every conference has at least one. Somebody who makes no geographic sense and creates almost no good TV matchups. Yet somehow someway they managed to get in.

ACC: Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville
B1G: Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska
SEC: Mizzou, Arkansas, Vanderbilt
Pac12: Colorado, Utah


I think most reasonable people can agree that everybody above is better placed in some ideal fairy tale world in a different conference. And as long as you have forced fits like this, and people willing to live with them in exchange for the almighty dollar, there will be instability.

Well.....Missourians did kill Kansans in the War of Northern Aggression! That makes them Southern enough. I'm sure they have UDC and SOC chapters in the Show Me state!

while true Missouri fought for the Confederacy they also fought for the Union and were very much more pro union. Missouri supplied nearly 110,000 troops for the Union and around 30,000 troops for the Confederate Army. The governor was very pro south and wanted to leave the Union but the delegates voted agaisnt it and stayed in the union as a neutral state.

(11-07-2016 09:34 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 08:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 07:58 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:56 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Nope. Mizzou is fine in the SEC. Send Baylor to the B1G. lol Send UT to the B1G. They have matching egos.

You'll have to come to terms with the fact tha Mizzou is the "WTF?" of the SEC. Nearly every conference has at least one. Somebody who makes no geographic sense and creates almost no good TV matchups. Yet somehow someway they managed to get in.

ACC: Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville
B1G: Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska
SEC: Mizzou, Arkansas, Vanderbilt
Pac12: Colorado, Utah


I think most reasonable people can agree that everybody above is better placed in some ideal fairy tale world in a different conference. And as long as you have forced fits like this, and people willing to live with them in exchange for the almighty dollar, there will be instability.

Well.....Missourians did kill Kansans in the War of Northern Aggression! That makes them Southern enough. I'm sure they have UDC and SOC chapters in the Show Me state!

while true Missouri fought for the Confederacy they also fought for the Union and were very much more pro union. Missouri supplied nearly 110,000 troops for the Union and around 30,000 troops for the Confederate Army. The governor was very pro south and wanted to leave the Union but the delegates voted agaisnt it and stayed in the union as a neutral state.

I think I knew that already. It's called banter with GTS. I was merely defending one of our latest acquisitions in the most remote way possible. It's called litotes.

(11-07-2016 09:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Missouri didn't have 6 million people nobody would care. And if you believe that brands are more important than markets, Missouri is worth very little.

The worm has turned on markets. If Missouri were being considered today it might be a different matter. But since the ACC folks are the freaking geniuses of realignment I have just two small letters to say back to you, B.C.. And I have one question to leave you with, "Would you add them today?"

(11-07-2016 09:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Missouri didn't have 6 million people nobody would care. And if you believe that brands are more important than markets, Missouri is worth very little.

The worm has turned on markets. If Missouri were being considered today it might be a different matter. But since the ACC folks are the freaking geniuses of realignment I have just two small letters to say back to you, B.C.. And I have one question to leave you with, "Would you add them today?"

Well actually we are geniuses of realignment.
We took a small conference of small schools that had never had their champion play in a New Year's Day bowl game and became one of the four survivors of CR. That is a pretty amazing feat.

Valid point. While the ACC leadership has been less than perfect, they have done very well with the cards they were dealt (lots of small private schools, little football clout outside of Clemson and FSU).

(11-08-2016 08:20 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Missouri didn't have 6 million people nobody would care. And if you believe that brands are more important than markets, Missouri is worth very little.

The worm has turned on markets. If Missouri were being considered today it might be a different matter. But since the ACC folks are the freaking geniuses of realignment I have just two small letters to say back to you, B.C.. And I have one question to leave you with, "Would you add them today?"

Well actually we are geniuses of realignment.
We took a small conference of small schools that had never had their champion play in a New Year's Day bowl game and became one of the four survivors of CR. That is a pretty amazing feat.

(11-08-2016 12:42 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Valid point. While the ACC leadership has been less than perfect, they have done very well with the cards they were dealt (lots of small private schools, little football clout outside of Clemson and FSU).

(11-08-2016 08:20 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Missouri didn't have 6 million people nobody would care. And if you believe that brands are more important than markets, Missouri is worth very little.

The worm has turned on markets. If Missouri were being considered today it might be a different matter. But since the ACC folks are the freaking geniuses of realignment I have just two small letters to say back to you, B.C.. And I have one question to leave you with, "Would you add them today?"

Well actually we are geniuses of realignment.
We took a small conference of small schools that had never had their champion play in a New Year's Day bowl game and became one of the four survivors of CR. That is a pretty amazing feat.

What's more impressive, is what started out as a small basketball conference that happened to play football, expanded multiple times over the years to secure football properties, markets, the golden cow(as good as anyone else has) and has secured a future network.

That Swofford ninja got some skills. Heck, he may have been instrumental in trying to land Kentucky in the the 1990's as that Host Communications guy stated.

(11-07-2016 09:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Missouri didn't have 6 million people nobody would care. And if you believe that brands are more important than markets, Missouri is worth very little.

The worm has turned on markets. If Missouri were being considered today it might be a different matter. But since the ACC folks are the freaking geniuses of realignment I have just two small letters to say back to you, B.C.. And I have one question to leave you with, "Would you add them today?"

BC was a warm body that at the time was a good addition, strong in both major sports. got the ACC their championship game. In the same circumstances, yes they would be invited again.

(11-11-2016 05:53 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Missouri didn't have 6 million people nobody would care. And if you believe that brands are more important than markets, Missouri is worth very little.

The worm has turned on markets. If Missouri were being considered today it might be a different matter. But since the ACC folks are the freaking geniuses of realignment I have just two small letters to say back to you, B.C.. And I have one question to leave you with, "Would you add them today?"

BC was a warm body that at the time was a good addition, strong in both major sports. got the ACC their championship game. In the same circumstances, yes they would be invited again.

I saw B.C. play in person when they went up against my Tigers in the Tangerine Bowl. Gerald Phelan and Doug Flutie versus Bo Jackson. It was a wonderful game from a fan perspective. It was competitive throughout while still having good defensive play by both squads.

I've been to many bowl games and that one is definitely in my top 5. I just don't think B.C. has been anywhere near the product they were then.

(11-08-2016 12:54 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 12:42 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Valid point. While the ACC leadership has been less than perfect, they have done very well with the cards they were dealt (lots of small private schools, little football clout outside of Clemson and FSU).

(11-08-2016 08:20 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:57 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  If Missouri didn't have 6 million people nobody would care. And if you believe that brands are more important than markets, Missouri is worth very little.

The worm has turned on markets. If Missouri were being considered today it might be a different matter. But since the ACC folks are the freaking geniuses of realignment I have just two small letters to say back to you, B.C.. And I have one question to leave you with, "Would you add them today?"

Well actually we are geniuses of realignment.
We took a small conference of small schools that had never had their champion play in a New Year's Day bowl game and became one of the four survivors of CR. That is a pretty amazing feat.

What's more impressive, is what started out as a small basketball conference that happened to play football, expanded multiple times over the years to secure football properties, markets, the golden cow(as good as anyone else has) and has secured a future network.

That Swofford ninja got some skills. Heck, he may have been instrumental in trying to land Kentucky in the the 1990's as that Host Communications guy stated.

John Swofford has done an excellent job for the ACC since 1997 and prior to that as AD at Carolina.
The ACC has been blessed with talented folks and hasn't been afraid to spread the leadership around the conference. Jim Weaver was a former Wake Forest football coach, Bob James was a Maryland grad, Gene Corrigan a Dookie, and Swofford graduated from Carolina.

Here is nice article about how Corrigan became ACC commissioner and shifted focus to football.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1990-10...rector-acc

(11-07-2016 09:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 09:34 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 08:53 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 07:58 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:56 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  Nope. Mizzou is fine in the SEC. Send Baylor to the B1G. lol Send UT to the B1G. They have matching egos.

You'll have to come to terms with the fact tha Mizzou is the "WTF?" of the SEC. Nearly every conference has at least one. Somebody who makes no geographic sense and creates almost no good TV matchups. Yet somehow someway they managed to get in.

ACC: Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville
B1G: Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska
SEC: Mizzou, Arkansas, Vanderbilt
Pac12: Colorado, Utah


I think most reasonable people can agree that everybody above is better placed in some ideal fairy tale world in a different conference. And as long as you have forced fits like this, and people willing to live with them in exchange for the almighty dollar, there will be instability.

Well.....Missourians did kill Kansans in the War of Northern Aggression! That makes them Southern enough. I'm sure they have UDC and SOC chapters in the Show Me state!

while true Missouri fought for the Confederacy they also fought for the Union and were very much more pro union. Missouri supplied nearly 110,000 troops for the Union and around 30,000 troops for the Confederate Army. The governor was very pro south and wanted to leave the Union but the delegates voted agaisnt it and stayed in the union as a neutral state.

I think I knew that already. It's called banter with GTS. I was merely defending one of our latest acquisitions in the most remote way possible. It's called litotes.

Recently moved to Missouri and learned a fascinating bit of history. The governor (Jackson) once he realized that Missouri was sticking with the Union and General Lyon moved on Jeff City, set up a seperate government in Neosho and had the legislature there vote to secede.