(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.

Would it even need to come to that? I would think SEC presidents and AD would jump at the chance to add UT. We were all over A&M, have to think we'd be all for big brother too.

(10-08-2016 11:10 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.

Would it even need to come to that? I would think SEC presidents and AD would jump at the chance to add UT. We were all over A&M, have to think we'd be all for big brother too.

Not all money is good money. UT is going to come and want some 'concessions'. And while the conference office won't move, the SEC championship games for various sports will do so and will find themselves in Texas more frequently. CFB will move from ATL and rotate with NOLA, HOU and DAL. It's not the rotation that will bother me so much as the breaking of tradition. Going to Hoover to take in baseball, Nashville to watch the UK invitational or Atlanta to watch football.

(10-09-2016 04:37 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 11:10 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.

Would it even need to come to that? I would think SEC presidents and AD would jump at the chance to add UT. We were all over A&M, have to think we'd be all for big brother too.

Not all money is good money. UT is going to come and want some 'concessions'. And while the conference office won't move, the SEC championship games for various sports will do so and will find themselves in Texas more frequently. CFB will move from ATL and rotate with NOLA, HOU and DAL. It's not the rotation that will bother me so much as the breaking of tradition. Going to Hoover to take in baseball, Nashville to watch the UK invitational or Atlanta to watch football.

I would counter that it is the hoops that will move around. With football things will stay in Atlanta (easy travel hub) until we do move to conference semi finals which will be the only way the playoff will ever expand. With semis you have one in Dallas or New Orleans and the other in either Jacksonville, or Nashville with the finals in Atlanta at first and then a rotation of those cities. Basketball can be handled the same way. With baseball I could see a Western Division tournament and an Eastern Division tournament at rotating sites with the two winners playing a best of three. Then our bids to the NCAA baseball tournament would go with the two divisional regular season winners and the tourney champ (if different from the other two). The rest would be at large bids.

(10-08-2016 03:41 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.

Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.

You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.

If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.

I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.

I wouldn't hate you for it, as you said it would be ESPN telling the SEC to jump. While I get the control the Mouse has over the Longhorns, I'm not sure how moving to the SEC helps them out. They get A&M and Arky back and maybe they drag TT along with them, but in the end they are playing fewer games in Texas. I'm hoping Texas arrogance and pride will prevail. Longhorns to the B1G!

Edit: I don't follow 'crutin in any way and while I can imagine some erosion by A&M and SEC, how can Texas backslide that much?

Vandiver Texas is in a precarious position.
Texas needs to be relevant in football. The PAC can't make the relevant because they just don't have the markets to promote the Longhorns. If Texas were playing on the west coast nobody in the east would see them and eventually wouldn't care about the horns. The B1G could never make Tejas relevant because Michigan and Ohio State would never be willing to share their spotlight (see Penn State). People talk about Texas' arrogance, but I'm not sure Texas can compare with Michigan and Ohio State in that department.
Texas could be relevant in the ACC, but the distance problem will forever keep Texas from ever creating true rivalries in the ACC. Also Texas lack of depth in their athletic department doesn't match up well with the ACC's multiple sports offerings.
Texas doesn't want to be in the SEC, but they NEED to be in the SEC to stay relevant in collegiate athletics. The SEC is football and offers Texas a chance to catch up and not continue to fall further behind. Texas is baseball and we all know that the SEC is the second best baseball league in the country. Texas basketball has an opportunity to blossom (out from underneath the shadow of Kansas) and in a league where they should be able to compete for championships.
Like I said Tejas needs to join the SEC to stay relevant.

(10-08-2016 11:44 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 06:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.

Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.

You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.

If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.

I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.

You can hate me now if you want JR, because the truth is going to sting a little
The SEC will get Tejas.....but, the SEC will also take West Virginia.
The ACC will bow to Notre Dame's geography and take Cincinnati to go along with the Irish.
UConn's only hope is to latch on with the B1G to join Oklahoma.
Kansas, I'm afraid fails to launch, but stays with the remnants of the Big 12.

I don't see why we would take West Virginia over Kansas.

I believe it's an ESPN move to keep the B1G in check.
By the SEC adding West Virginia and the ACC adding Cincinnati it completely walls off the B1G from Missouri to Pittsburgh. Coupled with the Texas addition which keeps the B1G/PAC cartel out of the state of Texas (26 Million), it gives ESPN control over the best football and basketball product in the country with enough population to keep it's schools on the leading edge of the money curve.

(10-09-2016 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 03:41 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.

Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.

You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.

If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.

I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.

I wouldn't hate you for it, as you said it would be ESPN telling the SEC to jump. While I get the control the Mouse has over the Longhorns, I'm not sure how moving to the SEC helps them out. They get A&M and Arky back and maybe they drag TT along with them, but in the end they are playing fewer games in Texas. I'm hoping Texas arrogance and pride will prevail. Longhorns to the B1G!

Edit: I don't follow 'crutin in any way and while I can imagine some erosion by A&M and SEC, how can Texas backslide that much?

Vandiver Texas is in a precarious position.
Texas needs to be relevant in football. The PAC can't make the relevant because they just don't have the markets to promote the Longhorns. If Texas were playing on the west coast nobody in the east would see them and eventually wouldn't care about the horns. The B1G could never make Tejas relevant because Michigan and Ohio State would never be willing to share their spotlight (see Penn State). People talk about Texas' arrogance, but I'm not sure Texas can compare with Michigan and Ohio State in that department.
Texas could be relevant in the ACC, but the distance problem will forever keep Texas from ever creating true rivalries in the ACC. Also Texas lack of depth in their athletic department doesn't match up well with the ACC's multiple sports offerings.
Texas doesn't want to be in the SEC, but they NEED to be in the SEC to stay relevant in collegiate athletics. The SEC is football and offers Texas a chance to catch up and not continue to fall further behind. Texas is baseball and we all know that the SEC is the second best baseball league in the country. Texas basketball has an opportunity to blossom (out from underneath the shadow of Kansas) and in a league where they should be able to compete for championships.
Like I said Tejas needs to join the SEC to stay relevant.

We are the premier baseball conference in the nation. The ACC is way way behind in accomplishments by schools who were actually in their conference at the time of their prominence. Until Virginia won it it had been since the 50's that an ACC school brought home a championship in that sport. You have a lot of catching up to do before you can claim that the SEC is the second best baseball conference.

(10-09-2016 02:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 03:41 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.

You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.

If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.

I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.

I wouldn't hate you for it, as you said it would be ESPN telling the SEC to jump. While I get the control the Mouse has over the Longhorns, I'm not sure how moving to the SEC helps them out. They get A&M and Arky back and maybe they drag TT along with them, but in the end they are playing fewer games in Texas. I'm hoping Texas arrogance and pride will prevail. Longhorns to the B1G!

Edit: I don't follow 'crutin in any way and while I can imagine some erosion by A&M and SEC, how can Texas backslide that much?

Vandiver Texas is in a precarious position.
Texas needs to be relevant in football. The PAC can't make the relevant because they just don't have the markets to promote the Longhorns. If Texas were playing on the west coast nobody in the east would see them and eventually wouldn't care about the horns. The B1G could never make Tejas relevant because Michigan and Ohio State would never be willing to share their spotlight (see Penn State). People talk about Texas' arrogance, but I'm not sure Texas can compare with Michigan and Ohio State in that department.
Texas could be relevant in the ACC, but the distance problem will forever keep Texas from ever creating true rivalries in the ACC. Also Texas lack of depth in their athletic department doesn't match up well with the ACC's multiple sports offerings.
Texas doesn't want to be in the SEC, but they NEED to be in the SEC to stay relevant in collegiate athletics. The SEC is football and offers Texas a chance to catch up and not continue to fall further behind. Texas is baseball and we all know that the SEC is the second best baseball league in the country. Texas basketball has an opportunity to blossom (out from underneath the shadow of Kansas) and in a league where they should be able to compete for championships.
Like I said Tejas needs to join the SEC to stay relevant.

We are the premier baseball conference in the nation. The ACC is way way behind in accomplishments by schools who were actually in their conference at the time of their prominence. Until Virginia won it it had been since the 50's that an ACC school brought home a championship in that sport. You have a lot of catching up to do before you can claim that the SEC is the second best baseball conference.

JR you are so predictable.

(10-09-2016 03:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 02:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 03:41 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.

If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.

I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.

I wouldn't hate you for it, as you said it would be ESPN telling the SEC to jump. While I get the control the Mouse has over the Longhorns, I'm not sure how moving to the SEC helps them out. They get A&M and Arky back and maybe they drag TT along with them, but in the end they are playing fewer games in Texas. I'm hoping Texas arrogance and pride will prevail. Longhorns to the B1G!

Edit: I don't follow 'crutin in any way and while I can imagine some erosion by A&M and SEC, how can Texas backslide that much?

Vandiver Texas is in a precarious position.
Texas needs to be relevant in football. The PAC can't make the relevant because they just don't have the markets to promote the Longhorns. If Texas were playing on the west coast nobody in the east would see them and eventually wouldn't care about the horns. The B1G could never make Tejas relevant because Michigan and Ohio State would never be willing to share their spotlight (see Penn State). People talk about Texas' arrogance, but I'm not sure Texas can compare with Michigan and Ohio State in that department.
Texas could be relevant in the ACC, but the distance problem will forever keep Texas from ever creating true rivalries in the ACC. Also Texas lack of depth in their athletic department doesn't match up well with the ACC's multiple sports offerings.
Texas doesn't want to be in the SEC, but they NEED to be in the SEC to stay relevant in collegiate athletics. The SEC is football and offers Texas a chance to catch up and not continue to fall further behind. Texas is baseball and we all know that the SEC is the second best baseball league in the country. Texas basketball has an opportunity to blossom (out from underneath the shadow of Kansas) and in a league where they should be able to compete for championships.
Like I said Tejas needs to join the SEC to stay relevant.

We are the premier baseball conference in the nation. The ACC is way way behind in accomplishments by schools who were actually in their conference at the time of their prominence. Until Virginia won it it had been since the 50's that an ACC school brought home a championship in that sport. You have a lot of catching up to do before you can claim that the SEC is the second best baseball conference.

JR you are so predictable.

Yeah if titles are all that matters then we are all looking up to the PAC 12.

(10-09-2016 05:25 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 03:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 02:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 03:41 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I wouldn't hate you for it, as you said it would be ESPN telling the SEC to jump. While I get the control the Mouse has over the Longhorns, I'm not sure how moving to the SEC helps them out. They get A&M and Arky back and maybe they drag TT along with them, but in the end they are playing fewer games in Texas. I'm hoping Texas arrogance and pride will prevail. Longhorns to the B1G!

Edit: I don't follow 'crutin in any way and while I can imagine some erosion by A&M and SEC, how can Texas backslide that much?

Vandiver Texas is in a precarious position.
Texas needs to be relevant in football. The PAC can't make the relevant because they just don't have the markets to promote the Longhorns. If Texas were playing on the west coast nobody in the east would see them and eventually wouldn't care about the horns. The B1G could never make Tejas relevant because Michigan and Ohio State would never be willing to share their spotlight (see Penn State). People talk about Texas' arrogance, but I'm not sure Texas can compare with Michigan and Ohio State in that department.
Texas could be relevant in the ACC, but the distance problem will forever keep Texas from ever creating true rivalries in the ACC. Also Texas lack of depth in their athletic department doesn't match up well with the ACC's multiple sports offerings.
Texas doesn't want to be in the SEC, but they NEED to be in the SEC to stay relevant in collegiate athletics. The SEC is football and offers Texas a chance to catch up and not continue to fall further behind. Texas is baseball and we all know that the SEC is the second best baseball league in the country. Texas basketball has an opportunity to blossom (out from underneath the shadow of Kansas) and in a league where they should be able to compete for championships.
Like I said Tejas needs to join the SEC to stay relevant.

We are the premier baseball conference in the nation. The ACC is way way behind in accomplishments by schools who were actually in their conference at the time of their prominence. Until Virginia won it it had been since the 50's that an ACC school brought home a championship in that sport. You have a lot of catching up to do before you can claim that the SEC is the second best baseball conference.

JR you are so predictable.

Yeah if titles are all that matters then we are all looking up to the PAC 12.

That's true historically for sure. But in the SEC baseball is a revenue sport. We have the largest venues and most of them stay full. Consequently we have pretty good baseball top to bottom in the conference and it is better than anyone else's. Half of the Big 12's baseball would fit nicely with that of the SEC. 2/3rds of the ACC's likely would. The PAC has fallen off in all sports over the last couple of decades.

(10-09-2016 05:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 05:25 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 03:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 02:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-09-2016 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  Vandiver Texas is in a precarious position.
Texas needs to be relevant in football. The PAC can't make the relevant because they just don't have the markets to promote the Longhorns. If Texas were playing on the west coast nobody in the east would see them and eventually wouldn't care about the horns. The B1G could never make Tejas relevant because Michigan and Ohio State would never be willing to share their spotlight (see Penn State). People talk about Texas' arrogance, but I'm not sure Texas can compare with Michigan and Ohio State in that department.
Texas could be relevant in the ACC, but the distance problem will forever keep Texas from ever creating true rivalries in the ACC. Also Texas lack of depth in their athletic department doesn't match up well with the ACC's multiple sports offerings.
Texas doesn't want to be in the SEC, but they NEED to be in the SEC to stay relevant in collegiate athletics. The SEC is football and offers Texas a chance to catch up and not continue to fall further behind. Texas is baseball and we all know that the SEC is the second best baseball league in the country. Texas basketball has an opportunity to blossom (out from underneath the shadow of Kansas) and in a league where they should be able to compete for championships.
Like I said Tejas needs to join the SEC to stay relevant.

We are the premier baseball conference in the nation. The ACC is way way behind in accomplishments by schools who were actually in their conference at the time of their prominence. Until Virginia won it it had been since the 50's that an ACC school brought home a championship in that sport. You have a lot of catching up to do before you can claim that the SEC is the second best baseball conference.

JR you are so predictable.

Yeah if titles are all that matters then we are all looking up to the PAC 12.

That's true historically for sure. But in the SEC baseball is a revenue sport. We have the largest venues and most of them stay full. Consequently we have pretty good baseball top to bottom in the conference and it is better than anyone else's. Half of the Big 12's baseball would fit nicely with that of the SEC. 2/3rds of the ACC's likely would. The PAC has fallen off in all sports over the last couple of decades.

I was just messing with you because you made it about titles with you previous post. Certainly in terms of resources (stadiums, fans, TV coverage, etc...) SEC baseball is #1. I think many years they are best top to bottom on the field, but certainly not every year.

In terms of PAC 12...they are doing fine from a baseball prespective on the field with 3 of the last 10 titles by 3 different schools. SEC has 4 of last 10 by 3 different schools. But definitely venues and fan support lags way behind in the PAC.

(10-09-2016 02:21 PM)XLance Wrote:  Vandiver Texas is in a precarious position.
Texas needs to be relevant in football. The PAC can't make the relevant because they just don't have the markets to promote the Longhorns. If Texas were playing on the west coast nobody in the east would see them and eventually wouldn't care about the horns. The B1G could never make Tejas relevant because Michigan and Ohio State would never be willing to share their spotlight (see Penn State). People talk about Texas' arrogance, but I'm not sure Texas can compare with Michigan and Ohio State in that department.
Texas could be relevant in the ACC, but the distance problem will forever keep Texas from ever creating true rivalries in the ACC. Also Texas lack of depth in their athletic department doesn't match up well with the ACC's multiple sports offerings.
Texas doesn't want to be in the SEC, but they NEED to be in the SEC to stay relevant in collegiate athletics. The SEC is football and offers Texas a chance to catch up and not continue to fall further behind. Texas is baseball and we all know that the SEC is the second best baseball league in the country. Texas basketball has an opportunity to blossom (out from underneath the shadow of Kansas) and in a league where they should be able to compete for championships.
Like I said Tejas needs to join the SEC to stay relevant.

Texas has been through previous periods of irrelevancy and looks as though they are trending in that direction again. A majority of Longhorns boosters might share your POV, but a significant number of fans and administration are looking towards the PAC and B1G as a legit panacea too. Texas would probably succeed in the SEC, but they could just as easily rebuild the B12 and make it back to the top as well.