I knew many of the players from the Woollum-Boyages era well; I was a student at that time. What always struck me was that the players were quite fond of Coach Woollum and his staff. He also brought in a lot of talent. I still think that losing Bill Phillips was one of the worst things to happen to the program. If Phillips, Jared Houston, Alex English and Justin Jackette had stuck around, we probably would have broken through into the NCAAs in 2000 or 20001.

I never really heard a positive word about the Boyages staff. He always struck me as a poor fit. I remember watching a number of games during Coach Woollum's last year and then not watching another William and Mary game until we played at UVA during Zeb Cope's senior year. I was shocked at how slow and stiff our players were, and the lack of passion for the game.

I was pretty hard on Coach Shaver his first few years; time now shows just how much damage Boyages did to the program. Tony is an excellent coach and the best hire Terry D could have made given the resources he had.

As for the new AD, i am praying for someone from Duke, UVA, or an Ivy, but for selfish reasons (I want mens lacrosse).

IMO, They really need to look at some young assistant ADs at some top notch schools. We will definitely need a Media and Social Media savvy person, with lots of non-traditional ideas for fund-raising and management, in order to make the For the Bold vision become a reality.

Agree, youth would be a wise position to take and also may be able to swing less $$ that way.

(10-08-2016 02:52 PM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  I knew many of the players from the Woollum-Boyages era well; I was a student at that time. What always struck me was that the players were quite fond of Coach Woollum and his staff. He also brought in a lot of talent. I still think that losing Bill Phillips was one of the worst things to happen to the program. If Phillips, Jared Houston, Alex English and Justin Jackette had stuck around, we probably would have broken through into the NCAAs in 2000 or 20001.

I never really heard a positive word about the Boyages staff. He always struck me as a poor fit. I remember watching a number of games during Coach Woollum's last year and then not watching another William and Mary game until we played at UVA during Zeb Cope's senior year. I was shocked at how slow and stiff our players were, and the lack of passion for the game.

I was pretty hard on Coach Shaver his first few years; time now shows just how much damage Boyages did to the program. Tony is an excellent coach and the best hire Terry D could have made given the resources he had.

As for the new AD, i am praying for someone from Duke, UVA, or an Ivy, but for selfish reasons (I want mens lacrosse).

The Boyages teams were incredibly hard to watch- they were both bad and boring. If you're going to be bad, at least be entertaining about it.

(10-09-2016 09:26 AM)Rocco Wrote:  

(10-08-2016 02:52 PM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  I knew many of the players from the Woollum-Boyages era well; I was a student at that time. What always struck me was that the players were quite fond of Coach Woollum and his staff. He also brought in a lot of talent. I still think that losing Bill Phillips was one of the worst things to happen to the program. If Phillips, Jared Houston, Alex English and Justin Jackette had stuck around, we probably would have broken through into the NCAAs in 2000 or 20001.

I never really heard a positive word about the Boyages staff. He always struck me as a poor fit. I remember watching a number of games during Coach Woollum's last year and then not watching another William and Mary game until we played at UVA during Zeb Cope's senior year. I was shocked at how slow and stiff our players were, and the lack of passion for the game.

I was pretty hard on Coach Shaver his first few years; time now shows just how much damage Boyages did to the program. Tony is an excellent coach and the best hire Terry D could have made given the resources he had.

As for the new AD, i am praying for someone from Duke, UVA, or an Ivy, but for selfish reasons (I want mens lacrosse).

The Boyages teams were incredibly hard to watch- they were both bad and boring. If you're going to be bad, at least be entertaining about it.

Wait, frustratingly taking his coat off (or threatening to take it off) wasn't entertaining?

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/william...olumn.html

(12-06-2016 05:25 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  http://www.dailypress.com/sports/william...olumn.html

Noted comment by Pulley that, in the preliminary package he gave the search committee, he included links to this message board, along with the JMU and UVA boards, to enlighten them on how intense the media scrutiny is and would be.

"We want someone who understands who we are, but also we want someone who is aggressive and ambitious...."

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(12-06-2016 06:21 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 05:25 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  http://www.dailypress.com/sports/william...olumn.html

Noted comment by Pulley that, in the preliminary package he gave the search committee, he included links to this message board, along with the JMU and UVA boards, to enlighten them on how intense the media scrutiny is and would be.

"We want someone who understands who we are, but also we want someone who is aggressive and ambitious...."

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I think the last part of that quote is particularly important. Understanding the type of school W&M wants to be is great but I want this new AD to try to push those boundaries a bit.

Been reading the comments with great interest.

*I do hope we hire a younger AD, perhaps in his early-mid thirties who understands marketing, PR,
sports promotion, media relations and has contacts throughout college athletics.

*The re-entry discussion is laughable. No other Va universities now allow re-entry and, other than a
relative handful of people who value tailgating non-stop, I don't really care. Nor does it appear 95%
of those at Tribe football games care either. As someone said, buy a few inexpensive bleacher seats
if you can't stop running in and out of Zable for a drink during the game so you can do it.

*No way Driscoll could have done anything to stop Hofstra from dropping football...for heavens sake,
almost all their alums fought it and couldn't stop it.

*I wouldn't get all worked up about the basketball scoreboard. The one we have is fine...no bells and whistles, but surely adequate. All I really want is the score and time remaining. Also, the roofing structure at Kaplan will not hold one of those newers coreboard behemoths.

*I'd love men's lacrosse too...but what men's sport or sports that has double-diget scholarships go to allow it in?

*Prime targets for a new AD: new basketball practice/office facility; Jimmye's eventual successor;
getting major teams into Kaplan on the basketball schedule; strategies for where to go should the CAA fall apart or not meet our needs; more aggressive regional branding of W&M Athletics (we have been overwhelmed by ODU in the 757)...coaches shows, media coverage, etc.

(12-07-2016 07:20 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Been reading the comments with great interest.

*I do hope we hire a younger AD, perhaps in his early-mid thirties who understands marketing, PR,
sports promotion, media relations and has contacts throughout college athletics.

*The re-entry discussion is laughable. No other Va universities now allow re-entry and, other than a
relative handful of people who value tailgating non-stop, I don't really care. Nor does it appear 95%
of those at Tribe football games care either. As someone said, buy a few inexpensive bleacher seats
if you can't stop running in and out of Zable for a drink during the game so you can do it.

*No way Driscoll could have done anything to stop Hofstra from dropping football...for heavens sake,
almost all their alums fought it and couldn't stop it.

*I wouldn't get all worked up about the basketball scoreboard. The one we have is fine...no bells and whistles, but surely adequate. All I really want is the score and time remaining. Also, the roofing structure at Kaplan will not hold one of those newers coreboard behemoths.

*I'd love men's lacrosse too...but what men's sport or sports that has double-diget scholarships go to allow it in?

*Prime targets for a new AD: new basketball practice/office facility; Jimmye's eventual successor;
getting major teams into Kaplan on the basketball schedule; strategies for where to go should the CAA fall apart or not meet our needs; more aggressive regional branding of W&M Athletics (we have been overwhelmed by ODU in the 757)...coaches shows, media coverage, etc.

All well said.

One issue - I get so sick of comments on the CAA falling apart, what should we do, etc. Some act as if it is the only conference that has to fight to stay intact.

It's a great home for W&M athletics. I would like to see an AD committed to championing the CAA and work on areas to make it stronger (not implying Driscoll did not, I just don't know). Recruit strong, new members.

It should/could be the MAC version of the Atlantic seaboard. It's not far from it now.

Agree on the CAA......for now

I still think a conference with elite academic schools with division 1 athletics should be considered at some point as a reasonable idea.

We're in an era where the Big 5 dominate everything in both football and basketball. I don't think TV money is going to let that change any time soon

(12-07-2016 07:20 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Been reading the comments with great interest.

*I wouldn't get all worked up about the basketball scoreboard. The one we have is fine...no bells and whistles, but surely adequate. All I really want is the score and time remaining. Also, the roofing structure at Kaplan will not hold one of those newers coreboard behemoths.

I'll allow Big Tribe his opinions, but the given the national interest in preventing fake news, I'll address this roof myth. TD told me directly that at one time they had believed that the roof structure was insufficient, but that belief was based on a miscommunication with a vendor. Actually, TD says, it was only the cable and mounting bracket which were undersized. (And btw there us still $80k in the Tribe Club accounts for a new scoreboard. That sum is no longer sufficient, of course.)

And I would not classify a modern scoreboard as "bells and whistles." If you have been to a game at Duke, ODU, VCU, or similar places, you have seen that video scoreboards are great tools for crowd engagement, something we are dearly lacking at Kaplan. ( OK, so I editorialized a little.)

(12-07-2016 11:04 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Agree on the CAA......for now

I still think a conference with elite academic schools with division 1 athletics should be considered at some point as a reasonable idea.

We're in an era where the Big 5 dominate everything in both football and basketball. I don't think TV money is going to let that change any time soon

Well I think we would all agree with who the elite academics schools are - and they are primarily in the Ivy and ACC. I don't see either as possibilities, now or in the future.

That's why I go back to the CAA. Within our own region, we have schools like Northeastern, JMU, Charleston, Richmond, Villanova and Delaware that all have very good credentials. Elon's reputation is growing, as is Drexel. So we have a decent base already.

Our job should be to champion this and be the leader to improve it - not spend time on contingency plans. We already know what that is.

Sitting Bull, I agree with your list. I'd add Davidson if they could upgrade football, Army and Navy

(12-07-2016 04:09 PM)Got Ribe Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 07:20 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Been reading the comments with great interest.

*I wouldn't get all worked up about the basketball scoreboard. The one we have is fine...no bells and whistles, but surely adequate. All I really want is the score and time remaining. Also, the roofing structure at Kaplan will not hold one of those newers coreboard behemoths.

I'll allow Big Tribe his opinions, but the given the national interest in preventing fake news, I'll address this roof myth. TD told me directly that at one time they had believed that the roof structure was insufficient, but that belief was based on a miscommunication with a vendor. Actually, TD says, it was only the cable and mounting bracket which were undersized. (And btw there us still $80k in the Tribe Club accounts for a new scoreboard. That sum is no longer sufficient, of course.)

And I would not classify a modern scoreboard as "bells and whistles." If you have been to a game at Duke, ODU, VCU, or similar places, you have seen that video scoreboards are great tools for crowd engagement, something we are dearly lacking at Kaplan. ( OK, so I editorialized a little.)

Fake News seems to be the Status Quo on these boards.

Much like home TVs, the new larger scoreboards are bigger and lighter. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the roof could support the scoreboard of your dreams. The money for that scoreboard is a separate issue.

Scoreboard should wait until the 4K HDR screens become the standard/affordable at that size...probably will be minimal change in video displays for 20 years after that. Get the money now, plan for purchase in 5 years.

(12-08-2016 06:42 AM)Paulbintheburg Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 04:09 PM)Got Ribe Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 07:20 AM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Been reading the comments with great interest.

*I wouldn't get all worked up about the basketball scoreboard. The one we have is fine...no bells and whistles, but surely adequate. All I really want is the score and time remaining. Also, the roofing structure at Kaplan will not hold one of those newers coreboard behemoths.

I'll allow Big Tribe his opinions, but the given the national interest in preventing fake news, I'll address this roof myth. TD told me directly that at one time they had believed that the roof structure was insufficient, but that belief was based on a miscommunication with a vendor. Actually, TD says, it was only the cable and mounting bracket which were undersized. (And btw there us still $80k in the Tribe Club accounts for a new scoreboard. That sum is no longer sufficient, of course.)

And I would not classify a modern scoreboard as "bells and whistles." If you have been to a game at Duke, ODU, VCU, or similar places, you have seen that video scoreboards are great tools for crowd engagement, something we are dearly lacking at Kaplan. ( OK, so I editorialized a little.)

Fake News seems to be the Status Quo on these boards.

Hear Hear.