(08-24-2016 05:43 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 03:44 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  http://www.postandcourier.com/20160821/1...y-ccu-play

Also for those of you not aware, Governor Haley started the hearing off by reading this "editorial" that the Post and Courier wrote, and used it multiple times as a source why the stadium shouldn't be funded. Kinda makes you think if her or one of her cronies wrote it.

Very disappointed in your Gov. All I've heard is that she was an up and coming political figure and a uniter. Sounds to me she's just another elitist doing the bidding of the "Haves". As the article states, this stadium will be expanded with bonds and donations not tax payer dollars. I guarantee you she wouldn't be scolding Clemson and USC over a $30 million expansion project.

(08-23-2016 01:28 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

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(08-23-2016 11:53 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 11:48 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 11:41 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  No but she dragged her foot and lectured them for a good 45 minutes.

And brought in her henchman and chair of CHE and former AD at Villanova many moons ago. He tried to compare Coastal's expenses increasing by moving to the SBC like Louisville to the ACC.

So wait, a former Big East AD didn't like a Former Big East school leaving the league and joining the ACC?

Yeah, that's not sour grapes at all.

Also - Nova turned down going FBS during his time. All of the other BE schools that were FBS then are now in the P5. UConn didn't go FBS at that time either and are now praying to be invited to the B12.

One other point, his company - before he left - had given $20k to one of her funds. Then she named him chair of CHE. It is just shady as hell.

kind of clintonesque.

(08-24-2016 07:21 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 05:43 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 03:44 PM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  http://www.postandcourier.com/20160821/1...y-ccu-play

Also for those of you not aware, Governor Haley started the hearing off by reading this "editorial" that the Post and Courier wrote, and used it multiple times as a source why the stadium shouldn't be funded. Kinda makes you think if her or one of her cronies wrote it.

Very disappointed in your Gov. All I've heard is that she was an up and coming political figure and a uniter. Sounds to me she's just another elitist doing the bidding of the "Haves". As the article states, this stadium will be expanded with bonds and donations not tax payer dollars. I guarantee you she wouldn't be scolding Clemson and USC over a $30 million expansion project.

She happily approved $50+ Million football operation center projects for both schools that are bonded with future athletic revenue. I get that they have plenty of money but we are good in our end too but they just didn't want us to do it. Some speculate that she is trying to use it as an example of her being ultra conservative for her next political move when her term is up in 2 years.

Let me say first that I'm glad Coastal got approval to build/expand their stadium, but some of you guys that are comparing Coastal with Clemson and USC are in left field. The reason those schools would have gotten this passed is the amount of revenue they bring in. The last time I looked SEC schools were taking in about 24 million just from the SEC network. That didn't include marketing rights and radio. Coastal's revenue stream is very different than the big boys. I'm not picking on Coastal, it would be the same for almost every FCS school trying to move up.



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(08-23-2016 11:56 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 11:53 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 11:48 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 11:41 AM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 11:38 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Did Nikki Haley walk out in protest?

No but she dragged her foot and lectured them for a good 45 minutes.

And brought in her henchman and chair of CHE and former AD at Villanova many moons ago. He tried to compare Coastal's expenses increasing by moving to the SBC like Louisville to the ACC.

So wait, a former Big East AD didn't like a Former Big East school leaving the league and joining the ACC?

Yeah, that's not sour grapes at all.

Also - Nova turned down going FBS during his time. All of the other BE schools that were FBS then are now in the P5. UConn didn't go FBS at that time either and are now praying to be invited to the B12.

I remember when nova turned down that. I thought they were crazy. And they were, unless their fans are that bad. That's a pretty good example as one of his failures!

It's laughable to use Louisville as a negative example. That would only make me more willing to increase expenses to layer get they benefits that will more than pay the back bill. And when the ACC channel gets launched as an actual TV CHANNEL (I think in 2018 ), the pay out will be huge for Louisville.

The first time CCU beats App will be a sweet day for those Chant fans that have been there since the start.

CCU is going to win a lot of sport championships in the SBC.

(08-24-2016 07:56 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Let me say first that I'm glad Coastal got approval to build/expand their stadium, but some of you guys that are comparing Coastal with Clemson and USC are in left field. The reason those schools would have gotten this passed is the amount of revenue they bring in. The last time I looked SEC schools were taking in about 24 million just from the SEC network. That didn't include marketing rights and radio. Coastal's revenue stream is very different than the big boys. I'm not picking on Coastal, it would be the same for almost every FCS school trying to move up.



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I get it. I don't have a problem with SC or Clemson - they have the money. The similarity is that they are funded with bond debt. They have much better revenue but they also have runaway spending in athletics. SC athletics is about 98% of debt capacity if I recall correctly - its in the CHE minutes. One would think that would be a cause of concern for the CHE / governor as well but it isn't.

Another difference is that their projects are non-revenue and the stadium expansion has the opportunity to generate revenue. We do have a reliable source of funds and it won't increase tuition.

(08-24-2016 10:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  [quote='Libertygrad01' pid='13495520' dateline='1472043362']
Let me say first that I'm glad Coastal got approval to build/expand their stadium, but some of you guys that are comparing Coastal with Clemson and USC are in left field. The reason those schools would have gotten this passed is the amount of revenue they bring in. The last time I looked SEC schools were taking in about 24 million just from the SEC network. That didn't include marketing rights and radio. Coastal's revenue stream is very different than the big boys. I'm not picking on Coastal, it would be the same for almost every FCS school trying to move up.



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I get it. I don't have a problem with SC or Clemson - they have the money. The similarity is that they are funded with bond debt. They have much better revenue but they also have runaway spending in athletics. SC athletics is about 98% of debt capacity if I recall correctly - its in the CHE minutes. One would think that would be a cause of concern for the CHE / governor as well but it isn't.

Another difference is that their projects are non-revenue and the stadium expansion has the opportunity to generate revenue. We do have a reliable source of funds and it won't increase tuition.
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this isn't just a revenue issue, its more about power and control. I'm willing to bet some very powerful Clemson and Gamecock supporters, talked to the Gov and staff and let them know their concerns and displeasure if CCU was allowed to build their stadium, and she of course attempted to carry out their instructions to block the project. This is how its handled in almost every state in the Union, one or two Universities control or atleast have strong influence over the state legislature and the governor, this means controlling the smaller schools in what they get, and what they don't get from the states. App has Chapel Hill who has interfered numerous times in App matters you think wouldn't concern them, but ultimately, they decided whats good for App.

(08-24-2016 12:08 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 10:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:56 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Let me say first that I'm glad Coastal got approval to build/expand their stadium, but some of you guys that are comparing Coastal with Clemson and USC are in left field. The reason those schools would have gotten this passed is the amount of revenue they bring in. The last time I looked SEC schools were taking in about 24 million just from the SEC network. That didn't include marketing rights and radio. Coastal's revenue stream is very different than the big boys. I'm not picking on Coastal, it would be the same for almost every FCS school trying to move up.



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I get it. I don't have a problem with SC or Clemson - they have the money. The similarity is that they are funded with bond debt. They have much better revenue but they also have runaway spending in athletics. SC athletics is about 98% of debt capacity if I recall correctly - its in the CHE minutes. One would think that would be a cause of concern for the CHE / governor as well but it isn't.

Another difference is that their projects are non-revenue and the stadium expansion has the opportunity to generate revenue. We do have a reliable source of funds and it won't increase tuition.

this isn't just a revenue issue, its more about power and control. I'm willing to bet some very powerful Clemson and Gamecock supporters, talked to the Gov and staff and let them know their concerns and displeasure if CCU was allowed to build their stadium, and she of course attempted to carry out their instructions to block the project. This is how its handled in almost every state in the Union, one or two Universities control or atleast have strong influence over the state legislature and the governor, this means controlling the smaller schools in what they get, and what they don't get from the states. App has Chapel Hill who has interfered numerous times in App matters you think wouldn't concern them, but ultimately, they decided whats good for App.

We'll see if it pans out, but according to our AD in one of the CHE meetings - there are two games tentatively scheduled between Coastal and SC. If they were against us I can't see them playing us. Also, I don't know if Haley and SC are real good friends. She removed their largest donor from their board: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20.../303159954

Maybe Clemson ... but I doubt it. If anything, I think the Charleston area schools, politicians, and chamber may be the ones fighting it the most. It was Charleston area politicians who fought the most to not override the governor's vetoes in the house and senate. The Charleston paper repeats the CHE's and Haley's rhetoric - praising them while condemning Coastal and those that supported this project.

Coastal is on the verge of being the 3rd largest school in state - usurping CofC. MB and Charleston both want bowls. CofC's president is a former state senator and former lieutenant governor and served with Haley.

(08-24-2016 01:46 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 12:08 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 10:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:56 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Let me say first that I'm glad Coastal got approval to build/expand their stadium, but some of you guys that are comparing Coastal with Clemson and USC are in left field. The reason those schools would have gotten this passed is the amount of revenue they bring in. The last time I looked SEC schools were taking in about 24 million just from the SEC network. That didn't include marketing rights and radio. Coastal's revenue stream is very different than the big boys. I'm not picking on Coastal, it would be the same for almost every FCS school trying to move up.



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I get it. I don't have a problem with SC or Clemson - they have the money. The similarity is that they are funded with bond debt. They have much better revenue but they also have runaway spending in athletics. SC athletics is about 98% of debt capacity if I recall correctly - its in the CHE minutes. One would think that would be a cause of concern for the CHE / governor as well but it isn't.

Another difference is that their projects are non-revenue and the stadium expansion has the opportunity to generate revenue. We do have a reliable source of funds and it won't increase tuition.

this isn't just a revenue issue, its more about power and control. I'm willing to bet some very powerful Clemson and Gamecock supporters, talked to the Gov and staff and let them know their concerns and displeasure if CCU was allowed to build their stadium, and she of course attempted to carry out their instructions to block the project. This is how its handled in almost every state in the Union, one or two Universities control or atleast have strong influence over the state legislature and the governor, this means controlling the smaller schools in what they get, and what they don't get from the states. App has Chapel Hill who has interfered numerous times in App matters you think wouldn't concern them, but ultimately, they decided whats good for App.

We'll see if it pans out, but according to our AD in one of the CHE meetings - there are two games tentatively scheduled between Coastal and SC. If they were against us I can't see them playing us. Also, I don't know if Haley and SC are real good friends. She removed their largest donor from their board: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20.../303159954

Maybe Clemson ... but I doubt it. If anything, I think the Charleston area schools, politicians, and chamber may be the ones fighting it the most. It was Charleston area politicians who fought the most to not override the governor's vetoes in the house and senate. The Charleston paper repeats the CHE's and Haley's rhetoric - praising them while condemning Coastal and those that supported this project.

Coastal is on the verge of being the 3rd largest school in state - usurping CofC. MB and Charleston both want bowls. CofC's president is a former state senator and former lieutenant governor and served with Haley.

with all due respect to coastal, the big drivers that 99% of the fans follow are clemson and sc. coastal will have to develop a following add a few programs, become less of a regional school and create their own power base before they will be considered relevant by the mainstream or even casual fans in that part of the country. It will take a while to develop some clout.

(08-24-2016 02:43 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 01:46 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 12:08 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 10:08 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:56 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Let me say first that I'm glad Coastal got approval to build/expand their stadium, but some of you guys that are comparing Coastal with Clemson and USC are in left field. The reason those schools would have gotten this passed is the amount of revenue they bring in. The last time I looked SEC schools were taking in about 24 million just from the SEC network. That didn't include marketing rights and radio. Coastal's revenue stream is very different than the big boys. I'm not picking on Coastal, it would be the same for almost every FCS school trying to move up.



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I get it. I don't have a problem with SC or Clemson - they have the money. The similarity is that they are funded with bond debt. They have much better revenue but they also have runaway spending in athletics. SC athletics is about 98% of debt capacity if I recall correctly - its in the CHE minutes. One would think that would be a cause of concern for the CHE / governor as well but it isn't.

Another difference is that their projects are non-revenue and the stadium expansion has the opportunity to generate revenue. We do have a reliable source of funds and it won't increase tuition.

this isn't just a revenue issue, its more about power and control. I'm willing to bet some very powerful Clemson and Gamecock supporters, talked to the Gov and staff and let them know their concerns and displeasure if CCU was allowed to build their stadium, and she of course attempted to carry out their instructions to block the project. This is how its handled in almost every state in the Union, one or two Universities control or atleast have strong influence over the state legislature and the governor, this means controlling the smaller schools in what they get, and what they don't get from the states. App has Chapel Hill who has interfered numerous times in App matters you think wouldn't concern them, but ultimately, they decided whats good for App.

We'll see if it pans out, but according to our AD in one of the CHE meetings - there are two games tentatively scheduled between Coastal and SC. If they were against us I can't see them playing us. Also, I don't know if Haley and SC are real good friends. She removed their largest donor from their board: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20.../303159954

Maybe Clemson ... but I doubt it. If anything, I think the Charleston area schools, politicians, and chamber may be the ones fighting it the most. It was Charleston area politicians who fought the most to not override the governor's vetoes in the house and senate. The Charleston paper repeats the CHE's and Haley's rhetoric - praising them while condemning Coastal and those that supported this project.

Coastal is on the verge of being the 3rd largest school in state - usurping CofC. MB and Charleston both want bowls. CofC's president is a former state senator and former lieutenant governor and served with Haley.

with all due respect to coastal, the big drivers that 99% of the fans follow are clemson and sc. coastal will have to develop a following add a few programs, become less of a regional school and create their own power base before they will be considered relevant by the mainstream or even casual fans in that part of the country. It will take a while to develop some clout.

Thanks!

(08-23-2016 07:36 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Looks like Nikki Haley really is just a pretty face, as I expected.

Yup. Had high hopes for that girl. She's been bought and paid for by special interest groups.

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(08-23-2016 01:05 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 01:01 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 12:47 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 12:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  What a journey for Coastal! Ten years ago they were a nothing in the FCS and people were debating if they should've gotten an at-large bid to the FCS playoffs. Now they've got a 20k-seat stadium and a CWS trophy and got one of the golden tickets to the FBS. Welcome aboard!

Exemplary leadership over the last decade for sure. This is the profile of the school we need to be adding.

To be fair, 10 years ago we were still pretty new - only had football for 3 years.

2006 was your first FCS season wasn't it?

All I remember from our game that year was us ripping off that big run right at the beginning of the game and Jerome Simpson.

Wait, we didn't play football in 2006 so that never happened.

2003 was our first season. We made playoffs in 2006 - went to App and got destroyed by the eventual national champ.

We won our first NC in '05.

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(08-24-2016 08:28 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 01:05 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 01:01 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 12:47 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 12:39 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  What a journey for Coastal! Ten years ago they were a nothing in the FCS and people were debating if they should've gotten an at-large bid to the FCS playoffs. Now they've got a 20k-seat stadium and a CWS trophy and got one of the golden tickets to the FBS. Welcome aboard!

Exemplary leadership over the last decade for sure. This is the profile of the school we need to be adding.

To be fair, 10 years ago we were still pretty new - only had football for 3 years.

2006 was your first FCS season wasn't it?

All I remember from our game that year was us ripping off that big run right at the beginning of the game and Jerome Simpson.

Wait, we didn't play football in 2006 so that never happened.

2003 was our first season. We made playoffs in 2006 - went to App and got destroyed by the eventual national champ.

We won our first NC in '05.

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I was referring to the 2006 playoffs. We played at App St in the first round. They then went on to win the title. 2005 doesn't really mean anything in regard to the 2006 playoffs.

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