(07-26-2016 10:05 PM)Cajuncat Wrote:  City Roads and Infrastructure have improved tremendously
Restaurant Industry has skyrocketed
Hospitality Industry has skyrocketed
Corporations have started moving in
SMISD (School District) has improved
Students have begun to graduate and stay
Rivers are now cleaner than ever due to more student organizations taking part in daily cleanups
Tourism has jumped 10 fold
Run down flea bag apartment units have been flipped into presentable and nicer facilities
Run down boarded up buildings have been bought and flipped into money makers for the city
Property Values have increased


I could keep going.....Long story short from 2005 to 2016 the growth has done nothing more than improve the city.

This is certainly the case around many universities. My work has taken me to dozens of college towns across America in the last two years and I've seen it repeated from Florida and New England to California.

I will use Mrs AppfanInCAALand's alma mater VCU as an example. In the 15 years since I moved the Richmond, VA, the area around VCU between downtown and The Fan has changed in amazing ways. My wife tells how scary it was down there when she was a student in the mid 90s* but now apartments, restaurants, upscale stores, pedestrian foot traffic, and a vibrant night life have taken over while keeping the kinda gritty, artsy, shabby feels of a student quarter. All of this because the University has consumed block after block of once boarded up buildings along Broad St. By and large what VCU has done to downtown is looked at fondly by Richmonders, and the university has plenty of good will in the community. Still there is the occasional complaint of the rising prices driving out the minority residents of the lower income neighborhoods near by.

Between state universities' insatiable Minecraft-like appetite for pointless construction to justify their capital improvement budget and low interest student loans lining young peoples' pockets with "free" money (and a lifetime of debt) as well as swelling university enrollments, universities are a huge economic driver where ever they are found. It's pretty common and not surprising that such an arrangement would out stress on a community.

*it certainly feels less scary now than it did but of course there are muggings and break-ins daily and the occasional murder even now, and students are accosted by vagrants constantly.

(07-28-2016 09:51 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 10:05 PM)Cajuncat Wrote:  City Roads and Infrastructure have improved tremendously
Restaurant Industry has skyrocketed
Hospitality Industry has skyrocketed
Corporations have started moving in
SMISD (School District) has improved
Students have begun to graduate and stay
Rivers are now cleaner than ever due to more student organizations taking part in daily cleanups
Tourism has jumped 10 fold
Run down flea bag apartment units have been flipped into presentable and nicer facilities
Run down boarded up buildings have been bought and flipped into money makers for the city
Property Values have increased


I could keep going.....Long story short from 2005 to 2016 the growth has done nothing more than improve the city.

This is certainly the case around many universities. My work has taken me to dozens of college towns across America in the last two years and I've seen it repeated from Florida and New England to California.

I will use Mrs AppfanInCAALand's alma mater VCU as an example. In the 15 years since I moved the Richmond, VA, the area around VCU between downtown and The Fan has changed in amazing ways. My wife tells how scary it was down there when she was a student in the mid 90s* but now apartments, restaurants, upscale stores, pedestrian foot traffic, and a vibrant night life have taken over while keeping the kinda gritty, artsy, shabby feels of a student quarter. All of this because the University has consumed block after block of once boarded up buildings along Broad St. By and large what VCU has done to downtown is looked at fondly by Richmonders, and the university has plenty of good will in the community. Still there is the occasional complaint of the rising prices driving out the minority residents of the lower income neighborhoods near by.

Between state universities' insatiable Minecraft-like appetite for pointless construction to justify their capital improvement budget and low interest student loans lining young peoples' pockets with "free" money (and a lifetime of debt) as well as swelling university enrollments, universities are a huge economic driver where ever they are found. It's pretty common and not surprising that such an arrangement would out stress on a community.

*it certainly feels less scary now than it did but of course there are muggings and break-ins daily and the occasional murder even now, and students are accosted by vagrants constantly.

Pre-1992 GSU was relegated to an area east of Woodruff Park/ Peachtree Street, South of Egdewood Avenue North of the railroad and MARTA tracks with Piedmont Avenue/Capitol Avenue as the eastern boundary. The early 90's was also when the banking takeovers were in vogue and the Charlotte banks took over most of the regional banks including most of the Atlanta ones except for Suntrust. In the space of a year or two all the Atlanta bank headquarters closed. Any remaining presence moved out of downtown. Even Suntrust built a new tower on the north end of downtown. Any business supporting banking soon closed as well. Many law firms also started moving to new towers in Midtown at the same time. By the time the Olympics were ramping up in 1992 and 1993 Downtown was a ghost town. Fortunately at the same time Carl Patton became GSU's president in 1992. His training is as a urban planner. In the ensuing 16 years he grew rhe university from a commuter school of 23k to national university. He saw opportunity in those emptying buildings and was along with the corporate real estte arm of the GSU Foundation able to swing some sweetheart deals on properties that major corporations were vacating. Our current president Mark Becker has continued the trend which is why our Mayor Kasim Reed was on the phone seemingly as the Braves announced they were leaving. As a resident I dont even want to think of what central and south downtown would be facing had GSU not continued to grow and take stewardship of all of that potentially vacant land.

Downtown Atlanta. Ha

(07-31-2016 04:26 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Downtown Atlanta. Ha

many of today's students live the life of Riley in those nice digs and spend only class time on the main campus. makes for less connection with the actual intended college experience and then when they graduate they are faced with big loans to repay. but not to worry the expected new administration plans to make me and other working taxpayers cover those loans in return for votes at election times. I'm not sure why that is my responsibility as I have already paid for my own kid's college. just shows that even tho kids are smart enough to get accepted to a school it never occurs to them that they will owe the money when they get out.

(07-31-2016 04:26 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Downtown Atlanta. Ha

Very eloquent

(07-31-2016 08:01 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 04:26 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Downtown Atlanta. Ha

many of today's students live the life of Riley in those nice digs and spend only class time on the main campus. makes for less connection with the actual intended college experience and then when they graduate they are faced with big loans to repay. but not to worry the expected new administration plans to make me and other working taxpayers cover those loans in return for votes at election times. I'm not sure why that is my responsibility as I have already paid for my own kid's college. just shows that even tho kids are smart enough to get accepted to a school it never occurs to them that they will owe the money when they get out.

Ok

(07-28-2016 01:11 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 12:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:21 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:46 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  GT is in Midtown Atlanta.

So what's that, about 3 blocks and a bridge over the interstate difference?

...a different area of the city?

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The thing is that the folks that do not live in Atlanta see Midtown as part of downtown Atlanta.

If you are ever confused just pull up crime maps / bum / crackhead migration patterns all are distinctly concentrated more in the downtown area more than mid town and buckhead areas.

(08-01-2016 08:47 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 01:11 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 12:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:21 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:46 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  GT is in Midtown Atlanta.

So what's that, about 3 blocks and a bridge over the interstate difference?

...a different area of the city?

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The thing is that the folks that do not live in Atlanta see Midtown as part of downtown Atlanta.

If you are ever confused just pull up crime maps / bum / crackhead migration patterns all are distinctly concentrated more in the downtown area more than mid town and buckhead areas.

Please note that this sounds much better when narrated by David Attenborough.

(08-01-2016 08:47 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 01:11 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 12:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:21 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:46 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  GT is in Midtown Atlanta.

So what's that, about 3 blocks and a bridge over the interstate difference?

...a different area of the city?

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The thing is that the folks that do not live in Atlanta see Midtown as part of downtown Atlanta.

If you are ever confused just pull up crime maps / bum / crackhead migration patterns all are distinctly concentrated more in the downtown area more than mid town and buckhead areas.

I hope you realize there is a direct correlation between the homeless population downtown and the churches/shelters feeding and housing them. If the shelters and churches stopped feeding the hungry and the missions moved up to Hamilton Mill you would see the homeless population drift up I-85. You have to walk a fine line between being humane and containing the problem. Case in point from today's AJC:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/bill-...all/nr7qz/
Maybe once the shelters are closed the several hundred unstable homeless will start wandering up the interstate in search of food Walking Dead style. Hopefully they'll find a cozy home next to the new Braves Stadium in Cobb County.

FWIW Georgia Southern once had it's own city, or actually post office, called Collegeboro. In 1960 the Collegeboro post office became a branch of the Statesboro post office and Collegeboro was no more.

(08-02-2016 11:33 PM)Peachie Wrote:  FWIW Georgia Southern once had it's own city, or actually post office, called Collegeboro. In 1960 the Collegeboro post office became a branch of the Statesboro post office and Collegeboro was no more.

Well I can remember in the early 80's when the post office at the University of Alabama was listed as

Name
Address
University, AL zip code

(08-01-2016 09:45 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:47 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 01:11 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 12:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 11:21 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  So what's that, about 3 blocks and a bridge over the interstate difference?

...a different area of the city?

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

The thing is that the folks that do not live in Atlanta see Midtown as part of downtown Atlanta.

If you are ever confused just pull up crime maps / bum / crackhead migration patterns all are distinctly concentrated more in the downtown area more than mid town and buckhead areas.

I hope you realize there is a direct correlation between the homeless population downtown and the churches/shelters feeding and housing them. If the shelters and churches stopped feeding the hungry and the missions moved up to Hamilton Mill you would see the homeless population drift up I-85. You have to walk a fine line between being humane and containing the problem. Case in point from today's AJC:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/bill-...all/nr7qz/
Maybe once the shelters are closed the several hundred unstable homeless will start wandering up the interstate in search of food Walking Dead style. Hopefully they'll find a cozy home next to the new Braves Stadium in Cobb County.

You and your logic and facts...pfft

(08-03-2016 03:02 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 09:45 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 08:47 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 01:11 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 12:51 PM)panama Wrote:  ...a different area of the city?

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

The thing is that the folks that do not live in Atlanta see Midtown as part of downtown Atlanta.

If you are ever confused just pull up crime maps / bum / crackhead migration patterns all are distinctly concentrated more in the downtown area more than mid town and buckhead areas.

I hope you realize there is a direct correlation between the homeless population downtown and the churches/shelters feeding and housing them. If the shelters and churches stopped feeding the hungry and the missions moved up to Hamilton Mill you would see the homeless population drift up I-85. You have to walk a fine line between being humane and containing the problem. Case in point from today's AJC:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/bill-...all/nr7qz/
Maybe once the shelters are closed the several hundred unstable homeless will start wandering up the interstate in search of food Walking Dead style. Hopefully they'll find a cozy home next to the new Braves Stadium in Cobb County.

You and your logic and facts...pfft

Or some would call an opinion.

His first sentence and the AJC link are not opinion.

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Ok

(08-03-2016 07:56 PM)panama Wrote:  His first sentence and the AJC link are not opinion.

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I saw the word 'correlation' and
Apparently if you remove all the homeless from downtown ATL all crime will stop. good to know.

What times do you have downtown besides property crime and petty crime? Do you live in the city? You don't appear to be very well versed in the subject.

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