you wish goldy. We are fully committed to basketball, and we will be coming up there to steal a win and your best player every year.

(07-10-2016 10:29 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Im happy that your program peaked with one NCAA appearance (no win) and a deep NIT run and can now[/align] go back to the Dement years.

So Tulsa level? Don't you have a birthday soon?

I laugh at some of the fans and their own insecurities with their programs. SMU hires Brown creating exposure for the AAC, SMU is getting national attention being a top 25 team and making the NCAA tournament and everyone is happy.

Now Brown leaves and a certain segment of fans here are almost excited by, or it at least seems that they are rooting for SMU basketball to go back to the performance level of the pre Brown days.

A garbage SMU does nothing but hurt the conference, but at least you guys get to say “see I told ya”.

(07-10-2016 11:42 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I laugh at some of the fans and their own insecurities with their programs. SMU hires Brown creating exposure for the AAC, SMU is getting national attention being a top 25 team and making the NCAA tournament and everyone is happy.

Now Brown leaves and a certain segment of fans here are almost excited by, or it at least seems that they are rooting for SMU basketball to go back to the performance level of the pre Brown days.

A garbage SMU does nothing but hurt the conference, but at least you guys get to say “see I told ya”.

EXACTLY

Its that same segment in the media right now "applauding" SMU... not because they actually care about SMU, but because they didn't like that Larry Brown made the relevant.

Unfortunately, some SMU fans/reporters mistook that pat on the back as a sign they did "the right thing.."

Newsflash: Those reporters want to see SMU fail.

I hope they succeed in spite of themselves. While I don't see this as a smart move (for many reasons, including branding, recruiting, transcendent fan appeal, MONEY, scheduling, etc), I think Jank can do ok at winning games.

Some SMU fans are quick to point out that he recruited the Austrailians... BUT, they don't understand that he sold them Larry Brown!

Whether he flys from here to there, Brown is ALWAYS the lead recruiter.

That said, I think SMU is established to the point that they will succeed. But, that's a subjective word.

(07-10-2016 03:30 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

My opinion (and it is just a guess) is that Hart didn't have the best relationship with Brown... And he knew what would/wouldnt be acceptable to him in the contract. He saw how Jank did last year, and thought to himself "why do we need to pay 2 guys?"
If the contract was indeed incentive based (with a focus on APR) he likely understood how Brown would react to the implications of the language of the contract.
It is simply just too big a headscratcher not to just acquiesce on the # of years, and not putting stipulations on the money.
For someone who started coaching to empty gyms, there's a lot of pride involved. Give the guy his due, and give him his cut of the program he built.
In the end, I just think Hart was disingenuous in what he gave to Brown's lawyer. If Brown was a young man, Hart wouldn't have d!cked around with his terms.
Imo, it may really cost SMU. If Janks sucks, its a disaster. If he does well and gets poached, its a disaster. At this point, do we really expect Jank will be there longer than 4 years? If he is, lets hope its not a Lebo era.

Wow, you really are an idiot and prove it time and time again

(07-10-2016 03:56 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:30 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

My opinion (and it is just a guess) is that Hart didn't have the best relationship with Brown... And he knew what would/wouldnt be acceptable to him in the contract. He saw how Jank did last year, and thought to himself "why do we need to pay 2 guys?"
If the contract was indeed incentive based (with a focus on APR) he likely understood how Brown would react to the implications of the language of the contract.
It is simply just too big a headscratcher not to just acquiesce on the # of years, and not putting stipulations on the money.
For someone who started coaching to empty gyms, there's a lot of pride involved. Give the guy his due, and give him his cut of the program he built.
In the end, I just think Hart was disingenuous in what he gave to Brown's lawyer. If Brown was a young man, Hart wouldn't have d!cked around with his terms.
Imo, it may really cost SMU. If Janks sucks, its a disaster. If he does well and gets poached, its a disaster. At this point, do we really expect Jank will be there longer than 4 years? If he is, lets hope its not a Lebo era.

Just let it be man. Brown gone and SMU has a new era

(07-10-2016 04:38 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:56 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:30 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

My opinion (and it is just a guess) is that Hart didn't have the best relationship with Brown... And he knew what would/wouldnt be acceptable to him in the contract. He saw how Jank did last year, and thought to himself "why do we need to pay 2 guys?"
If the contract was indeed incentive based (with a focus on APR) he likely understood how Brown would react to the implications of the language of the contract.
It is simply just too big a headscratcher not to just acquiesce on the # of years, and not putting stipulations on the money.
For someone who started coaching to empty gyms, there's a lot of pride involved. Give the guy his due, and give him his cut of the program he built.
In the end, I just think Hart was disingenuous in what he gave to Brown's lawyer. If Brown was a young man, Hart wouldn't have d!cked around with his terms.
Imo, it may really cost SMU. If Janks sucks, its a disaster. If he does well and gets poached, its a disaster. At this point, do we really expect Jank will be there longer than 4 years? If he is, lets hope its not a Lebo era.

Just let it be man. Brown gone and SMU has a new era

Just explaining the difference between having Leonardo DiCaprio starring in Titanic versus his understudy.

Whether the SMU fans want to admit it, it was Brown's name on the marquee.

So, in negotiations, there was only one party that could afford to turn down the deal.

Titanic with the stand-in may sell, though.. but I doubt Dallas Cowboys players, actors, and former POTUS's will be going.

You don't play hardball if that man is willing to coach even 1 more year.

That's just common sense. Overpay if you must.

(07-10-2016 05:10 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 04:38 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:56 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:30 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

My opinion (and it is just a guess) is that Hart didn't have the best relationship with Brown... And he knew what would/wouldnt be acceptable to him in the contract. He saw how Jank did last year, and thought to himself "why do we need to pay 2 guys?"
If the contract was indeed incentive based (with a focus on APR) he likely understood how Brown would react to the implications of the language of the contract.
It is simply just too big a headscratcher not to just acquiesce on the # of years, and not putting stipulations on the money.
For someone who started coaching to empty gyms, there's a lot of pride involved. Give the guy his due, and give him his cut of the program he built.
In the end, I just think Hart was disingenuous in what he gave to Brown's lawyer. If Brown was a young man, Hart wouldn't have d!cked around with his terms.
Imo, it may really cost SMU. If Janks sucks, its a disaster. If he does well and gets poached, its a disaster. At this point, do we really expect Jank will be there longer than 4 years? If he is, lets hope its not a Lebo era.

Just let it be man. Brown gone and SMU has a new era

Just explaining the difference between having Leonardo DiCaprio starring in Titanic versus his understudy.

Whether the SMU fans want to admit it, it was Brown's name on the marquee.

So, in negotiations, there was only one party that could afford to turn down the deal.

Titanic with the stand-in may sell, though.. but I doubt Dallas Cowboys players, actors, and former POTUS's will be going.

You don't play hardball if that man is willing to coach even 1 more year.

That's just common sense. Overpay if you must.

So, you go from "My opinion (and it is just a guess)" to giving M1T4 a bit of a hard time because he disagrees some with your "guess"? Was that meant for humor?

Most of us didn't think your opinions aren't that strong since you can't limit your loyalty to less than 25% of the league. :)

Some of my comments are for humor, some are wondering are you ever believable enough here to ever take seriously.

(07-10-2016 05:59 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:10 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 04:38 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:56 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:30 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

My opinion (and it is just a guess) is that Hart didn't have the best relationship with Brown... And he knew what would/wouldnt be acceptable to him in the contract. He saw how Jank did last year, and thought to himself "why do we need to pay 2 guys?"
If the contract was indeed incentive based (with a focus on APR) he likely understood how Brown would react to the implications of the language of the contract.
It is simply just too big a headscratcher not to just acquiesce on the # of years, and not putting stipulations on the money.
For someone who started coaching to empty gyms, there's a lot of pride involved. Give the guy his due, and give him his cut of the program he built.
In the end, I just think Hart was disingenuous in what he gave to Brown's lawyer. If Brown was a young man, Hart wouldn't have d!cked around with his terms.
Imo, it may really cost SMU. If Janks sucks, its a disaster. If he does well and gets poached, its a disaster. At this point, do we really expect Jank will be there longer than 4 years? If he is, lets hope its not a Lebo era.

Just let it be man. Brown gone and SMU has a new era

Just explaining the difference between having Leonardo DiCaprio starring in Titanic versus his understudy.

Whether the SMU fans want to admit it, it was Brown's name on the marquee.

So, in negotiations, there was only one party that could afford to turn down the deal.

Titanic with the stand-in may sell, though.. but I doubt Dallas Cowboys players, actors, and former POTUS's will be going.

You don't play hardball if that man is willing to coach even 1 more year.

That's just common sense. Overpay if you must.

So, you go from "My opinion (and it is just a guess)" to giving M1T4 a bit of a hard time because he disagrees some with your "guess"? Was that meant for humor?

Most of us didn't think your opinions aren't that strong since you can't limit your loyalty to less than 25% of the league. :)

Some of my comments are for humor, some are wondering are you ever believable enough here to ever take seriously.

What took you so long, Old Tiger?

It's good to see you.

(07-10-2016 06:09 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:59 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:10 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 04:38 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:56 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  My opinion (and it is just a guess) is that Hart didn't have the best relationship with Brown... And he knew what would/wouldnt be acceptable to him in the contract. He saw how Jank did last year, and thought to himself "why do we need to pay 2 guys?"
If the contract was indeed incentive based (with a focus on APR) he likely understood how Brown would react to the implications of the language of the contract.
It is simply just too big a headscratcher not to just acquiesce on the # of years, and not putting stipulations on the money.
For someone who started coaching to empty gyms, there's a lot of pride involved. Give the guy his due, and give him his cut of the program he built.
In the end, I just think Hart was disingenuous in what he gave to Brown's lawyer. If Brown was a young man, Hart wouldn't have d!cked around with his terms.
Imo, it may really cost SMU. If Janks sucks, its a disaster. If he does well and gets poached, its a disaster. At this point, do we really expect Jank will be there longer than 4 years? If he is, lets hope its not a Lebo era.

Just let it be man. Brown gone and SMU has a new era

Just explaining the difference between having Leonardo DiCaprio starring in Titanic versus his understudy.

Whether the SMU fans want to admit it, it was Brown's name on the marquee.

So, in negotiations, there was only one party that could afford to turn down the deal.

Titanic with the stand-in may sell, though.. but I doubt Dallas Cowboys players, actors, and former POTUS's will be going.

You don't play hardball if that man is willing to coach even 1 more year.

That's just common sense. Overpay if you must.

So, you go from "My opinion (and it is just a guess)" to giving M1T4 a bit of a hard time because he disagrees some with your "guess"? Was that meant for humor?

Most of us didn't think your opinions aren't that strong since you can't limit your loyalty to less than 25% of the league. :)

Some of my comments are for humor, some are wondering are you ever believable enough here to ever take seriously.

What took you so long, Old Tiger?

It's good to see you.

I'm old and slow.

I can't keep up with you youngsters. :)

Larry Brown Cheated
Mustangs left holding the bag
program in shambles

(07-10-2016 10:29 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Im happy that your program peaked with one NCAA appearance (no win) and a deep NIT run and can now[/align] go back to the Dement years.

?????
Y'all need SMU to be good, because the strength of your conference can and does move bubble teams in and out of the tournament. (You need everyone to be good, but SMU is today's topic.)

(07-10-2016 11:06 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 10:29 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Im happy that your program peaked with one NCAA appearance (no win) and a deep NIT run and can now[/align] go back to the Dement years.

So Tulsa level? Don't you have a birthday soon?

Tulsa has two NCAA appearances and one NIT since Larry Brown took over @ SMU.

So even mired in our mediocrity we are still better than you under Larry.

(07-10-2016 07:17 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 11:06 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 10:29 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  Im happy that your program peaked with one NCAA appearance (no win) and a deep NIT run and can now[/align] go back to the Dement years.

So Tulsa level? Don't you have a birthday soon?

Tulsa has two NCAA appearances and one NIT since Larry Brown took over @ SMU.

So even mired in our mediocrity we are still better than you under Larry.

You realize that if SMU goes back to being like USF, UCF, Tulane and ECU (and, yes, last year, St Johns), that's liable to put Tulsa in the NIT instead of a play-in game at some point?

(07-10-2016 05:59 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:10 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 04:38 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:56 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:30 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

My opinion (and it is just a guess) is that Hart didn't have the best relationship with Brown... And he knew what would/wouldnt be acceptable to him in the contract. He saw how Jank did last year, and thought to himself "why do we need to pay 2 guys?"
If the contract was indeed incentive based (with a focus on APR) he likely understood how Brown would react to the implications of the language of the contract.
It is simply just too big a headscratcher not to just acquiesce on the # of years, and not putting stipulations on the money.
For someone who started coaching to empty gyms, there's a lot of pride involved. Give the guy his due, and give him his cut of the program he built.
In the end, I just think Hart was disingenuous in what he gave to Brown's lawyer. If Brown was a young man, Hart wouldn't have d!cked around with his terms.
Imo, it may really cost SMU. If Janks sucks, its a disaster. If he does well and gets poached, its a disaster. At this point, do we really expect Jank will be there longer than 4 years? If he is, lets hope its not a Lebo era.

Just let it be man. Brown gone and SMU has a new era

Just explaining the difference between having Leonardo DiCaprio starring in Titanic versus his understudy.

Whether the SMU fans want to admit it, it was Brown's name on the marquee.

So, in negotiations, there was only one party that could afford to turn down the deal.

Titanic with the stand-in may sell, though.. but I doubt Dallas Cowboys players, actors, and former POTUS's will be going.

You don't play hardball if that man is willing to coach even 1 more year.

That's just common sense. Overpay if you must.

So, you go from "My opinion (and it is just a guess)" to giving M1T4 a bit of a hard time because he disagrees some with your "guess"? Was that meant for humor?

Most of us didn't think your opinions aren't that strong since you can't limit your loyalty to less than 25% of the league. :)

Some of my comments are for humor, some are wondering are you ever believable enough here to ever take seriously.

He's the ultimate internet tough guy, but I actually agree with him that SMU should've given Brown anything he wanted. I've been following SMU hoops off and on for awhile. He's the best coach they've had since Dave Bliss IMHO. Take care ol friend!
Cheers!

(07-10-2016 08:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:59 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:10 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 04:38 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 03:56 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  My opinion (and it is just a guess) is that Hart didn't have the best relationship with Brown... And he knew what would/wouldnt be acceptable to him in the contract. He saw how Jank did last year, and thought to himself "why do we need to pay 2 guys?"
If the contract was indeed incentive based (with a focus on APR) he likely understood how Brown would react to the implications of the language of the contract.
It is simply just too big a headscratcher not to just acquiesce on the # of years, and not putting stipulations on the money.
For someone who started coaching to empty gyms, there's a lot of pride involved. Give the guy his due, and give him his cut of the program he built.
In the end, I just think Hart was disingenuous in what he gave to Brown's lawyer. If Brown was a young man, Hart wouldn't have d!cked around with his terms.
Imo, it may really cost SMU. If Janks sucks, its a disaster. If he does well and gets poached, its a disaster. At this point, do we really expect Jank will be there longer than 4 years? If he is, lets hope its not a Lebo era.

Just let it be man. Brown gone and SMU has a new era

Just explaining the difference between having Leonardo DiCaprio starring in Titanic versus his understudy.

Whether the SMU fans want to admit it, it was Brown's name on the marquee.

So, in negotiations, there was only one party that could afford to turn down the deal.

Titanic with the stand-in may sell, though.. but I doubt Dallas Cowboys players, actors, and former POTUS's will be going.

You don't play hardball if that man is willing to coach even 1 more year.

That's just common sense. Overpay if you must.

So, you go from "My opinion (and it is just a guess)" to giving M1T4 a bit of a hard time because he disagrees some with your "guess"? Was that meant for humor?

Most of us didn't think your opinions aren't that strong since you can't limit your loyalty to less than 25% of the league. :)

Some of my comments are for humor, some are wondering are you ever believable enough here to ever take seriously.

He's the ultimate internet tough guy, but I actually agree with him that SMU should've given Brown anything he wanted. I've been following SMU hoops off and on for awhile. He's the best coach they've had since Dave Bliss IMHO. Take care ol friend!
Cheers!

Ahhh, Dave Bliss.......the Jon Koncak glory days. That group and of course the Cougars were the only SWC group that could compete with the Razorbacks. I think that the SWC tournament was in Moody Coliseum annually but memory fades.

its a good thing you people aren't athletic directors. You think SMU should have paid a 75 year old over 10 million in guaranteed dollars, than watch our very good coach in waiting bolt along with our best recruiters, just to have LB bolt in 2 yrs. Y'all aren't all that bright are you?

Larry should have grabbed this three year deal. Its would have been the last coaching he would have done and he had a shot to end on a VERY high note.

Love the guy for making us relevant - but 5 yrs guaranteed was on overplayed hand. Regardless, we aint going back and will do what it takes to stay in the mix. We have a great media market, great facilities, rabid fans and fantastic recruiters.

(07-10-2016 09:53 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 08:57 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:59 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:10 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 04:38 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  Just let it be man. Brown gone and SMU has a new era

Just explaining the difference between having Leonardo DiCaprio starring in Titanic versus his understudy.

Whether the SMU fans want to admit it, it was Brown's name on the marquee.

So, in negotiations, there was only one party that could afford to turn down the deal.

Titanic with the stand-in may sell, though.. but I doubt Dallas Cowboys players, actors, and former POTUS's will be going.

You don't play hardball if that man is willing to coach even 1 more year.

That's just common sense. Overpay if you must.

So, you go from "My opinion (and it is just a guess)" to giving M1T4 a bit of a hard time because he disagrees some with your "guess"? Was that meant for humor?

Most of us didn't think your opinions aren't that strong since you can't limit your loyalty to less than 25% of the league. :)

Some of my comments are for humor, some are wondering are you ever believable enough here to ever take seriously.

He's the ultimate internet tough guy, but I actually agree with him that SMU should've given Brown anything he wanted. I've been following SMU hoops off and on for awhile. He's the best coach they've had since Dave Bliss IMHO. Take care ol friend!
Cheers!

Ahhh, Dave Bliss.......the Jon Koncak glory days. That group and of course the Cougars were the only SWC group that could compete with the Razorbacks. I think that the SWC tournament was in Moody Coliseum annually but memory fades.

I knew you'd get that. Only old school SMU fans and you would get the Dave Bliss memories! No Wikipedia needed for those of us who were there! Now this: another old SMU relic (an easy one) Hayden Fry. Before my time when he was at SMU but was the King of Iowa when I was a boy. Did Memphis used to play SMU in football during that era? He also coached at North Texas in the era when you guys and Louisville and Drake and Tulsa were playing each other. Bet you and Shere can tell me some stories!
Cheers!