(06-30-2016 02:35 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 02:13 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 02:10 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 02:08 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 02:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Cincy finshed 3rd? In 2009? Link?

They finished the regular season 3rd in the BCS rankings but lost the sugar bowl. Their final season ranking was #8 in the AP pol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Cinci...tball_team

Bwahahaha. That shite dont count. Florida hung 51 points on the bearcats. They werent number 3. Lmao

All that proves is that they were overrated. Bwahahaha

You missed my edit here is what I stated. It could be argued that the only reason they lost the sugar bowl was because Brian Kelly left before the bowl game to take the Notre Dame job. You would think a BCS school would have been able to keep its coach for a BCS bowl game lol.

Throw in the fact that Urban Meyer had just announced his "retirement" to follow the Sugar Bowl, plus it was Jesus Tebow's last game, one could argue Florida wasn't losing to anybody that night...and I think the Gators were national champions the year before.

But hey, I got to spend New Year's Eve on Bourbon Street and attend the Sugar Bowl. Where were you Shere Khan?

UC was this close to playing for a national championship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33y0dd0XDgw

Where was I? Why you lob one across the plate like that?

(06-30-2016 11:14 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If the NCAA really wanted to they could make their one playoff for FBS. Back before the NCAA basketball tournament there was the NIT which was seen as the national champion tournament. The NCAA could start its own 10 team playoff and invit the conference champions teams to play if they turn them down go after the next 10. Someone will take it once they go low enough then declare the winner of the tournament the national champion. Do it like the basketball tournament have tr host sites bid to host and get CBS to pay to air the playoff (they will since ESPN has the CFP). The only thing that could happen would be the P5 might split but just hang the NCAA basketball tournament and all other NCAA championships in front of them. The P5 does have the infrastructure to hold all those tournaments. Also with the NY6 only the ~Top 12 teams get to go. If the NCAA has a 10 team championship I could see the CFP 5 and 6 team going instead of to a bowl game and even the G5 champ plus the conference champ of all other G5s would go.

I couldn't see Ohio St, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Houston, WKU, Stanford, Oklahoma St, Arkansas St, Bowling Green, or San Diego St turning down a chance for a National Championship.

For that to happen you'd have to neutralize the lobbying power of your traditional powerhouses. The NCAA isn't just a couple of guys making rules. Everything about a playoff would have to be decided by the Alabamas, OSUs, Texas, etc of the world.

(06-30-2016 11:55 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 10:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 07:45 AM)First Mate Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...e-football

So true. The former BCS and now the "Power 5" have created it so no underdog can have a chance. No one outside their "club" is allowed to play. It lessens the game of college football.

It's why so many ppl love college basketball and baseball. Everyone has a shot.[/b]

Yet so few people actual follow college baseball...or even college basketball...especially compared to college football.

Yes, it would be nice if the "little guy" have more access in football...but since the NCAA doesn't run the Div I-A Football Post-season...the P5's were basically able to make up their own rules of inclusion and exclusion.

I wold disagree with you on how many follow CBB (the NCAA tournament is one of the biggest sporting events around- many fans who don't even like basketball follow it)

College baseball is getting more and more pub. It's certainly not what football and basketball are but it does provide the access and the drama fans love.

Unlike college football who restricts access to the championship and gives us a host of meaningless bowl games instead.

It's a broken system- no matter what poppycock Bill Hancock spews.

The college baseball tournament is probably followed like wrestling or hockey.

(06-30-2016 03:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:55 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 10:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 07:45 AM)First Mate Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...e-football

So true. The former BCS and now the "Power 5" have created it so no underdog can have a chance. No one outside their "club" is allowed to play. It lessens the game of college football.

It's why so many ppl love college basketball and baseball. Everyone has a shot.[/b]

Yet so few people actual follow college baseball...or even college basketball...especially compared to college football.

Yes, it would be nice if the "little guy" have more access in football...but since the NCAA doesn't run the Div I-A Football Post-season...the P5's were basically able to make up their own rules of inclusion and exclusion.

I wold disagree with you on how many follow CBB (the NCAA tournament is one of the biggest sporting events around- many fans who don't even like basketball follow it)

College baseball is getting more and more pub. It's certainly not what football and basketball are but it does provide the access and the drama fans love.

Unlike college football who restricts access to the championship and gives us a host of meaningless bowl games instead.

It's a broken system- no matter what poppycock Bill Hancock spews.

The college baseball tournament is probably followed like wrestling or hockey.

I love how you can feel/see the tension in the college baseball tournament. 3 more outs..Let's go CCU!

Actually, the could stop Coastal Carolina in baseball if they wanted to.
Expand scholarships to 25. They'd still have a chance...but closer to the chance in basketball than in current baseball.

(06-30-2016 01:19 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:55 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 10:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 07:45 AM)First Mate Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...e-football

So true. The former BCS and now the "Power 5" have created it so no underdog can have a chance. No one outside their "club" is allowed to play. It lessens the game of college football.

It's why so many ppl love college basketball and baseball. Everyone has a shot.[/b]

Yet so few people actual follow college baseball...or even college basketball...especially compared to college football.

Yes, it would be nice if the "little guy" have more access in football...but since the NCAA doesn't run the Div I-A Football Post-season...the P5's were basically able to make up their own rules of inclusion and exclusion.

I wold disagree with you on how many follow CBB (the NCAA tournament is one of the biggest sporting events around- many fans who don't even like basketball follow it)

College baseball is getting more and more pub. It's certainly not what football and basketball are but it does provide the access and the drama fans love.

Unlike college football who restricts access to the championship and gives us a host of meaningless bowl games instead.

It's a broken system- no matter what poppycock Bill Hancock spews.

I’m not sure if I can agree with college baseball getting more publicity and attention, maybe regionally but not nationally. If that were the case the game to decide the national championship wouldn’t be played at 1:00PM on a Thursday.

Is there any specific reason they choose not to play it in prime time on ESPN? Tonight’s line up on the ESPN networks at 8:00PM are ESPN “Battle Frog College Championship” (whatever that is), ESPN2 Canadian Football, ESPN Classic “Mike Tysons Greatest Hits” Volume II, ESPN News SportsCenter, and ESPNU NCAA Women's Gymnastics Championship.

It's only my opinion and i'm a baseball fan but baseball on every level with the exception of the Major Leagues is getting pushed further and further back away from the public’s eye. I know here in the Northeast overall interest in youth baseball is down, the better athletes are switching from baseball to Lacrosse.

Weather screwed it up and the team's probably had pre scheduled travel arrangements. Not to mention maybe the weather looked bad for primetime?


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(06-30-2016 03:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:55 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 10:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 07:45 AM)First Mate Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...e-football

So true. The former BCS and now the "Power 5" have created it so no underdog can have a chance. No one outside their "club" is allowed to play. It lessens the game of college football.

It's why so many ppl love college basketball and baseball. Everyone has a shot.[/b]

Yet so few people actual follow college baseball...or even college basketball...especially compared to college football.

Yes, it would be nice if the "little guy" have more access in football...but since the NCAA doesn't run the Div I-A Football Post-season...the P5's were basically able to make up their own rules of inclusion and exclusion.

I wold disagree with you on how many follow CBB (the NCAA tournament is one of the biggest sporting events around- many fans who don't even like basketball follow it)

College baseball is getting more and more pub. It's certainly not what football and basketball are but it does provide the access and the drama fans love.

Unlike college football who restricts access to the championship and gives us a host of meaningless bowl games instead.

It's a broken system- no matter what poppycock Bill Hancock spews.

The college baseball tournament is probably followed like wrestling or hockey.

BS. It's all over ESPN for 3-4 weeks. I don't see wresting or hockey ever.

(06-30-2016 03:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:14 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If the NCAA really wanted to they could make their one playoff for FBS. Back before the NCAA basketball tournament there was the NIT which was seen as the national champion tournament. The NCAA could start its own 10 team playoff and invit the conference champions teams to play if they turn them down go after the next 10. Someone will take it once they go low enough then declare the winner of the tournament the national champion. Do it like the basketball tournament have tr host sites bid to host and get CBS to pay to air the playoff (they will since ESPN has the CFP). The only thing that could happen would be the P5 might split but just hang the NCAA basketball tournament and all other NCAA championships in front of them. The P5 does have the infrastructure to hold all those tournaments. Also with the NY6 only the ~Top 12 teams get to go. If the NCAA has a 10 team championship I could see the CFP 5 and 6 team going instead of to a bowl game and even the G5 champ plus the conference champ of all other G5s would go.

I couldn't see Ohio St, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Houston, WKU, Stanford, Oklahoma St, Arkansas St, Bowling Green, or San Diego St turning down a chance for a National Championship.

For that to happen you'd have to neutralize the lobbying power of your traditional powerhouses. The NCAA isn't just a couple of guys making rules. Everything about a playoff would have to be decided by the Alabamas, OSUs, Texas, etc of the world.

Which is why the system sucks in CFB. The traditional powerhouses rule everything.

Coastal Carolina just won a National Championship- on the field (not in some biased rankings system). They proved they could compete and win just like Boise, Houston (last year), UCF (fiesta), Butler in basketball, and many others when given the chance.

Don't give me the BS about the traditional powers. They can be beaten and they know it. Just like Arizona today in baseball.

That's why they set the system up to exclude half the teams in D1 college football.

(06-30-2016 05:27 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 03:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:55 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 10:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 07:45 AM)First Mate Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...e-football

So true. The former BCS and now the "Power 5" have created it so no underdog can have a chance. No one outside their "club" is allowed to play. It lessens the game of college football.

It's why so many ppl love college basketball and baseball. Everyone has a shot.[/b]

Yet so few people actual follow college baseball...or even college basketball...especially compared to college football.

Yes, it would be nice if the "little guy" have more access in football...but since the NCAA doesn't run the Div I-A Football Post-season...the P5's were basically able to make up their own rules of inclusion and exclusion.

I wold disagree with you on how many follow CBB (the NCAA tournament is one of the biggest sporting events around- many fans who don't even like basketball follow it)

College baseball is getting more and more pub. It's certainly not what football and basketball are but it does provide the access and the drama fans love.

Unlike college football who restricts access to the championship and gives us a host of meaningless bowl games instead.

It's a broken system- no matter what poppycock Bill Hancock spews.

The college baseball tournament is probably followed like wrestling or hockey.

BS. It's all over ESPN for 3-4 weeks. I don't see wresting or hockey ever.

Are we going off of when you see it? Wrestling has four straight days dedicated to the wrestling tournament. Hockey is on pretty much every night of the season on different channels.

Baseball doesn't even pass wbb.

Shocker...ESPN asshat/elitist says G5 won't get to the table. Listening to Sirius XM College Sports, Rick Neuhiesel and the other guy hit the nail on the head. SEC West and B1G champ get auto bids, ACC has positioned themselves better than Pac 12 and Big 12. That's it. Period. That's the only way TV sets will turn on.

(06-30-2016 05:37 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 03:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:14 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If the NCAA really wanted to they could make their one playoff for FBS. Back before the NCAA basketball tournament there was the NIT which was seen as the national champion tournament. The NCAA could start its own 10 team playoff and invit the conference champions teams to play if they turn them down go after the next 10. Someone will take it once they go low enough then declare the winner of the tournament the national champion. Do it like the basketball tournament have tr host sites bid to host and get CBS to pay to air the playoff (they will since ESPN has the CFP). The only thing that could happen would be the P5 might split but just hang the NCAA basketball tournament and all other NCAA championships in front of them. The P5 does have the infrastructure to hold all those tournaments. Also with the NY6 only the ~Top 12 teams get to go. If the NCAA has a 10 team championship I could see the CFP 5 and 6 team going instead of to a bowl game and even the G5 champ plus the conference champ of all other G5s would go.

I couldn't see Ohio St, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Houston, WKU, Stanford, Oklahoma St, Arkansas St, Bowling Green, or San Diego St turning down a chance for a National Championship.

For that to happen you'd have to neutralize the lobbying power of your traditional powerhouses. The NCAA isn't just a couple of guys making rules. Everything about a playoff would have to be decided by the Alabamas, OSUs, Texas, etc of the world.

Which is why the system sucks in CFB. The traditional powerhouses rule everything.

Coastal Carolina just won a National Championship- on the field (not in some biased rankings system). They proved they could compete and win just like Boise, Houston (last year), UCF (fiesta), Butler in basketball, and many others when given the chance.

Don't give me the BS about the traditional powers. They can be beaten and they know it. Just like Arizona today in baseball.

That's why they set the system up to exclude half the teams in D1 college football.

It's not about being able to beat them. That doesn't concern them. What concerns them is what makes money.

It's not about how we feel about the system, it's about what would have to happen before we can change it.

(06-30-2016 05:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 05:37 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 03:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:14 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If the NCAA really wanted to they could make their one playoff for FBS. Back before the NCAA basketball tournament there was the NIT which was seen as the national champion tournament. The NCAA could start its own 10 team playoff and invit the conference champions teams to play if they turn them down go after the next 10. Someone will take it once they go low enough then declare the winner of the tournament the national champion. Do it like the basketball tournament have tr host sites bid to host and get CBS to pay to air the playoff (they will since ESPN has the CFP). The only thing that could happen would be the P5 might split but just hang the NCAA basketball tournament and all other NCAA championships in front of them. The P5 does have the infrastructure to hold all those tournaments. Also with the NY6 only the ~Top 12 teams get to go. If the NCAA has a 10 team championship I could see the CFP 5 and 6 team going instead of to a bowl game and even the G5 champ plus the conference champ of all other G5s would go.

I couldn't see Ohio St, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Houston, WKU, Stanford, Oklahoma St, Arkansas St, Bowling Green, or San Diego St turning down a chance for a National Championship.

For that to happen you'd have to neutralize the lobbying power of your traditional powerhouses. The NCAA isn't just a couple of guys making rules. Everything about a playoff would have to be decided by the Alabamas, OSUs, Texas, etc of the world.

Which is why the system sucks in CFB. The traditional powerhouses rule everything.

Coastal Carolina just won a National Championship- on the field (not in some biased rankings system). They proved they could compete and win just like Boise, Houston (last year), UCF (fiesta), Butler in basketball, and many others when given the chance.

Don't give me the BS about the traditional powers. They can be beaten and they know it. Just like Arizona today in baseball.

That's why they set the system up to exclude half the teams in D1 college football.

It's not about being able to beat them. That doesn't concern them. What concerns them is what makes money.

It's not about how we feel about the system, it's about what would have to happen before we can change it.

Fans, coaches, AD's, Presidents, political leaders involved with the schools left out can make it change.

They have to be united in a message of inclusion. Right now there is no united front. Everyone outside of the P5 club needs to row in the same direction.

It's a monopoly basically. I've never understood why those outside the P5 haven't raised more hell about it.

(06-30-2016 12:36 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 12:34 PM)shere khan Wrote:  No room for practically any teams other than the ones that have been in it the last 10 years. Coastal has as good a chance as wake forest, which is to say, 0 chance.

And they (Wake Forest and the like) keep their mouths shut bc they are getting paid off. 25-30MM per year buys a lot of silence from the also-rans in the P5

You are correct, sir!

(06-30-2016 03:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:55 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 10:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 07:45 AM)First Mate Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...e-football

So true. The former BCS and now the "Power 5" have created it so no underdog can have a chance. No one outside their "club" is allowed to play. It lessens the game of college football.

It's why so many ppl love college basketball and baseball. Everyone has a shot.[/b]

Yet so few people actual follow college baseball...or even college basketball...especially compared to college football.

Yes, it would be nice if the "little guy" have more access in football...but since the NCAA doesn't run the Div I-A Football Post-season...the P5's were basically able to make up their own rules of inclusion and exclusion.

I wold disagree with you on how many follow CBB (the NCAA tournament is one of the biggest sporting events around- many fans who don't even like basketball follow it)

College baseball is getting more and more pub. It's certainly not what football and basketball are but it does provide the access and the drama fans love.

Unlike college football who restricts access to the championship and gives us a host of meaningless bowl games instead.

It's a broken system- no matter what poppycock Bill Hancock spews.

The college baseball tournament is probably followed like wrestling or hockey.

Did you watch the CWS? Outside of football and basketball, no other sport gets that treatment. Omaha is truly unique and special, and they cover it as such.

(06-30-2016 07:14 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 03:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:55 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 10:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 07:45 AM)First Mate Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...e-football

So true. The former BCS and now the "Power 5" have created it so no underdog can have a chance. No one outside their "club" is allowed to play. It lessens the game of college football.

It's why so many ppl love college basketball and baseball. Everyone has a shot.[/b]

Yet so few people actual follow college baseball...or even college basketball...especially compared to college football.

Yes, it would be nice if the "little guy" have more access in football...but since the NCAA doesn't run the Div I-A Football Post-season...the P5's were basically able to make up their own rules of inclusion and exclusion.

I wold disagree with you on how many follow CBB (the NCAA tournament is one of the biggest sporting events around- many fans who don't even like basketball follow it)

College baseball is getting more and more pub. It's certainly not what football and basketball are but it does provide the access and the drama fans love.

Unlike college football who restricts access to the championship and gives us a host of meaningless bowl games instead.

It's a broken system- no matter what poppycock Bill Hancock spews.

The college baseball tournament is probably followed like wrestling or hockey.

Did you watch the CWS? Outside of football and basketball, no other sport gets that treatment. Omaha is truly unique and special, and they cover it as such.

I disagree. It is a spectacle and the production is good, but I don't think it'll have as many viewers as even WBB. The tournament is the only time you can actually catch consistent college baseball on tv.

(06-30-2016 05:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 05:37 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 03:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:14 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If the NCAA really wanted to they could make their one playoff for FBS. Back before the NCAA basketball tournament there was the NIT which was seen as the national champion tournament. The NCAA could start its own 10 team playoff and invit the conference champions teams to play if they turn them down go after the next 10. Someone will take it once they go low enough then declare the winner of the tournament the national champion. Do it like the basketball tournament have tr host sites bid to host and get CBS to pay to air the playoff (they will since ESPN has the CFP). The only thing that could happen would be the P5 might split but just hang the NCAA basketball tournament and all other NCAA championships in front of them. The P5 does have the infrastructure to hold all those tournaments. Also with the NY6 only the ~Top 12 teams get to go. If the NCAA has a 10 team championship I could see the CFP 5 and 6 team going instead of to a bowl game and even the G5 champ plus the conference champ of all other G5s would go.

I couldn't see Ohio St, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Houston, WKU, Stanford, Oklahoma St, Arkansas St, Bowling Green, or San Diego St turning down a chance for a National Championship.

For that to happen you'd have to neutralize the lobbying power of your traditional powerhouses. The NCAA isn't just a couple of guys making rules. Everything about a playoff would have to be decided by the Alabamas, OSUs, Texas, etc of the world.

Which is why the system sucks in CFB. The traditional powerhouses rule everything.

Coastal Carolina just won a National Championship- on the field (not in some biased rankings system). They proved they could compete and win just like Boise, Houston (last year), UCF (fiesta), Butler in basketball, and many others when given the chance.

Don't give me the BS about the traditional powers. They can be beaten and they know it. Just like Arizona today in baseball.

That's why they set the system up to exclude half the teams in D1 college football.

It's not about being able to beat them. That doesn't concern them. What concerns them is what makes money.

It's not about how we feel about the system, it's about what would have to happen before we can change it.

The funny thing is---it WOULD make money. The highest NCAA Final ratings in a decade came when Butler was in the national championship game. That Butler championship game pulled an average rating of 16---which was a whopping 34% higher than the previous years matchup between blue blood power schools N Carolina and Michigan St. In fact, the National Championship BCS game in FOOTBALL that year (featuring national heavy hitters Alabama and Texas) had a 17.2 rating, barely out drawing that Duke-Butler final. I submit a college national championship football game that featured a surprising Cinderella opponent would bury the ratings needle as even the most very casual of fans would tune in to see how it turned out.

My guess is after 6 years of at least one P5 champ a year sitting at home will spur an expansion of the playoff to 8. The 5 P5 champs will get a automatic berth. The top G5 will get an automatic berth. And the drama will center around the selection committee deciding who gets the 2 wild card slots. What we need is for the G5 access bowl representative to continue to show well in that game---hopefully winning the game most of the time. That will help the case for making the G5 slot a playoff slot rather than just a bowl slot when its time for that debate.

(06-30-2016 06:28 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 05:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 05:37 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 03:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:14 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If the NCAA really wanted to they could make their one playoff for FBS. Back before the NCAA basketball tournament there was the NIT which was seen as the national champion tournament. The NCAA could start its own 10 team playoff and invit the conference champions teams to play if they turn them down go after the next 10. Someone will take it once they go low enough then declare the winner of the tournament the national champion. Do it like the basketball tournament have tr host sites bid to host and get CBS to pay to air the playoff (they will since ESPN has the CFP). The only thing that could happen would be the P5 might split but just hang the NCAA basketball tournament and all other NCAA championships in front of them. The P5 does have the infrastructure to hold all those tournaments. Also with the NY6 only the ~Top 12 teams get to go. If the NCAA has a 10 team championship I could see the CFP 5 and 6 team going instead of to a bowl game and even the G5 champ plus the conference champ of all other G5s would go.

I couldn't see Ohio St, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Houston, WKU, Stanford, Oklahoma St, Arkansas St, Bowling Green, or San Diego St turning down a chance for a National Championship.

For that to happen you'd have to neutralize the lobbying power of your traditional powerhouses. The NCAA isn't just a couple of guys making rules. Everything about a playoff would have to be decided by the Alabamas, OSUs, Texas, etc of the world.

Which is why the system sucks in CFB. The traditional powerhouses rule everything.

Coastal Carolina just won a National Championship- on the field (not in some biased rankings system). They proved they could compete and win just like Boise, Houston (last year), UCF (fiesta), Butler in basketball, and many others when given the chance.

Don't give me the BS about the traditional powers. They can be beaten and they know it. Just like Arizona today in baseball.

That's why they set the system up to exclude half the teams in D1 college football.

It's not about being able to beat them. That doesn't concern them. What concerns them is what makes money.

It's not about how we feel about the system, it's about what would have to happen before we can change it.

Fans, coaches, AD's, Presidents, political leaders involved with the schools left out can make it change.

They have to be united in a message of inclusion. Right now there is no united front. Everyone outside of the P5 club needs to row in the same direction.

It's a monopoly basically. I've never understood why those outside the P5 haven't raised more hell about it.

That's not what a monopoly is. There are currently 5 choices organization-wise to get yourself a national championship in college football in America, they aren't all very desirable, but they're there.

More G5 schools don't raise a fuss about it because they took part in the process to get us where we are. It's not like this joke was handed to us without us knowing.

The only way we can get a more equitable part in a playoff is to make some political moves to elevate ourselves, which I think will have to come with culling the number of teams in FBS, IMO.

If G5 schools come out complaining too hard, that may result in a P5 split, which is the worst that can happen.

(06-30-2016 10:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 05:56 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 05:37 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 03:15 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:14 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  If the NCAA really wanted to they could make their one playoff for FBS. Back before the NCAA basketball tournament there was the NIT which was seen as the national champion tournament. The NCAA could start its own 10 team playoff and invit the conference champions teams to play if they turn them down go after the next 10. Someone will take it once they go low enough then declare the winner of the tournament the national champion. Do it like the basketball tournament have tr host sites bid to host and get CBS to pay to air the playoff (they will since ESPN has the CFP). The only thing that could happen would be the P5 might split but just hang the NCAA basketball tournament and all other NCAA championships in front of them. The P5 does have the infrastructure to hold all those tournaments. Also with the NY6 only the ~Top 12 teams get to go. If the NCAA has a 10 team championship I could see the CFP 5 and 6 team going instead of to a bowl game and even the G5 champ plus the conference champ of all other G5s would go.

I couldn't see Ohio St, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Houston, WKU, Stanford, Oklahoma St, Arkansas St, Bowling Green, or San Diego St turning down a chance for a National Championship.

For that to happen you'd have to neutralize the lobbying power of your traditional powerhouses. The NCAA isn't just a couple of guys making rules. Everything about a playoff would have to be decided by the Alabamas, OSUs, Texas, etc of the world.

Which is why the system sucks in CFB. The traditional powerhouses rule everything.

Coastal Carolina just won a National Championship- on the field (not in some biased rankings system). They proved they could compete and win just like Boise, Houston (last year), UCF (fiesta), Butler in basketball, and many others when given the chance.

Don't give me the BS about the traditional powers. They can be beaten and they know it. Just like Arizona today in baseball.

That's why they set the system up to exclude half the teams in D1 college football.

It's not about being able to beat them. That doesn't concern them. What concerns them is what makes money.

It's not about how we feel about the system, it's about what would have to happen before we can change it.

The funny thing is---it WOULD make money. The highest NCAA Final ratings in a decade came when Butler was in the national championship game. That Butler championship game pulled an average rating of 16---which was a whopping 34% higher than the previous years matchup between blue blood power schools N Carolina and Michigan St. In fact, the National Championship BCS game in FOOTBALL that year (featuring national heavy hitters Alabama and Texas) had a 17.2 rating, barely out drawing that Duke-Butler final. I submit a college national championship football game that featured a surprising Cinderella opponent would bury the ratings needle as even the most very casual of fans would tune in to see how it turned out.

My guess is after 6 years of at least one P5 champ a year sitting at home will spur an expansion of the playoff to 8. The 5 P5 champs will get a automatic berth. The top G5 will get an automatic berth. And the drama will center around the selection committee deciding who gets the 2 wild card slots. What we need is for the G5 access bowl representative to continue to show well in that game---hopefully winning the game most of the time. That will help the case for making the G5 slot a playoff slot rather than just a bowl slot when its time for that debate.

That's not what he was talking about. He was saying that the NCAA should start a playoff even with the CFB still taking the top 4 teams. That's stupid. What NCAA president would go for that?

They should start the season later which would make the northern teams more competitive. End the baseball season in August, right before football. Families would fill stadiums all summer, this is cheap fun. College baseball would also help fill the summer TV sports void.

(06-30-2016 05:49 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 05:27 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 03:17 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 11:55 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 10:56 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Yet so few people actual follow college baseball...or even college basketball...especially compared to college football.

Yes, it would be nice if the "little guy" have more access in football...but since the NCAA doesn't run the Div I-A Football Post-season...the P5's were basically able to make up their own rules of inclusion and exclusion.

I wold disagree with you on how many follow CBB (the NCAA tournament is one of the biggest sporting events around- many fans who don't even like basketball follow it)

College baseball is getting more and more pub. It's certainly not what football and basketball are but it does provide the access and the drama fans love.

Unlike college football who restricts access to the championship and gives us a host of meaningless bowl games instead.

It's a broken system- no matter what poppycock Bill Hancock spews.

The college baseball tournament is probably followed like wrestling or hockey.

BS. It's all over ESPN for 3-4 weeks. I don't see wresting or hockey ever.

Are we going off of when you see it? Wrestling has four straight days dedicated to the wrestling tournament. Hockey is on pretty much every night of the season on different channels.

Baseball doesn't even pass wbb.

Are you seriously comparing college baseball to college wrestling? Lol. not even worth arguing about. College baseball is third behind football and basketball just as it is in major pro sports.

Oh wait, I forgot about wrestling. Lol