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This is classic off-season crap. I'm not worried one bit at this point. We'll see how things pan out in the summer during camp season and heavier recruiting periods.

I don't know what you guys are expecting. Yes, we're coming off a great season and a major bowl berth. But we now have a completely new coaching staff and as we've seen, kids often commit to coaches over schools (for better or worse). Give the staff time to build connections and flesh out a recruiting class. Lester said this is going to be a smaller class anyway.

Alabama has 4 commits right now. Michigan has 3. Stanford and Georgia have 2. Texas has 1. Oregon has ZERO.

Do you think Nick Saban is losing sleep right now because they don't have 20 commits in the bank?

http://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football-r...conference

2018 OT Marozas considering MAC offers

Miami OH has gotten 2 commits in the past 24 hours. Bennet Clark OT with 9 offers, most all the MAC. Andrew Todd OT with 11 offers including Air Force and Iowa St, and our Broncos. I'm pretty sure Todd was a guy high on the list.

Bottom line is still recruiting...........we'll see.

http://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/breaking...gan-today/

Could be a guy that makes an instant impact.

(04-01-2017 05:03 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  http://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/breaking...gan-today/

Could be a guy that makes an instant impact.

Good news. Hopefully he can bring competition and skill level to our WRer corps.

(04-02-2017 06:41 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  

(04-01-2017 05:03 PM)Stampede your face!! Wrote:  http://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/breaking...gan-today/

Could be a guy that makes an instant impact.

Good news. Hopefully he can bring competition and skill level to our WRer corps.

Getting them to campus is a start, gotta give him a closing sales pitch Make him an offer he can't refuse!!! Glad the coaching staff are tuned into this guy.

Bottom line is that other MAC programs are receiving quality commitments. We aren't. No excuses not to be getting looks after coming off a Cotton Bowl and Top 15 ranking. Our program is where we only dreamed of it being. Believe me, i would much rather be naive and pretend like it's too early to be concerned.. but guys, I am definitely concerned. I really hope we see some progress in this area by the spring game visits.

This!

(04-02-2017 01:26 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Bottom line is that other MAC programs are receiving quality commitments. We aren't. No excuses not to be getting looks after coming off a Cotton Bowl and Top 15 ranking. Our program is where we only dreamed of it being. Believe me, i would much rather be naive and pretend like it's too early to be concerned.. but guys, I am definitely concerned. I really hope we see some progress in this area by the spring game visits.

And here come the excuses in 4 3 2............

You guys seriously need to get a life.

LOI Day was only two months ago, Spring Football isn't even over, and now you're wringing your hands over Rankings-commits (which mean little to nothing) for NEXT February!



Someone got his shorts in a bunch because new staff not feeding him info-letting him "inside" like the Man Crush did?

I don't even know what to do with you guys. If you want to sit around and worry over nothing, that's your prerogative.

Remember how annoying it was as the "old guys" complained about Fleck for years and how they said things were so much better under Cubit/other coaches? Remember how you said it was sad that they weren't supporting our coach and it was discouraging that they didn't trust him? Well that's you now. You have become the thing you hate. Lester has been on campus for 2-3 months. His staff, less than that.

Patience has become such a rare trait these days.

Looks like a 2nd visit for the LB/RB from Cass Tech. https://twitter.com/thed_zone/status/848875399153111040

There are also multiple kids visiting WMU, Purdue, ND , MSU & UofM this weekend. Not sweating the lack of commits at this point. If you consider all the kids making these trips they are probably all envisioning themselves at an ND or UofM. But reality is that they'll realistically get on at Purdue or Western or maybe have to settle for MSU

(04-03-2017 08:46 AM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  Looks like a 2nd visit for the LB/RB from Cass Tech. https://twitter.com/thed_zone/status/848875399153111040

There are also multiple kids visiting WMU, Purdue, ND , MSU & UofM this weekend. Not sweating the lack of commits at this point. If you consider all the kids making these trips they are probably all envisioning themselves at an ND or UofM. But reality is that they'll realistically get on at Purdue or Western or maybe have to settle for MSU

Sorry the CT kid is in the 2019. Not sorry about the crack about Sparty. 9/9/17 lets do this

Ah yes, I remember when recruiting (and recruiting rankings) didn't matter in 2013-2014...

(04-03-2017 08:39 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Remember how annoying it was as the "old guys" complained about Fleck for years and how they said things were so much better under Cubit/other coaches? Remember how you said it was sad that they weren't supporting our coach and it was discouraging that they didn't trust him? Well that's you now. You have become the thing you hate.

Nobody is "complaining" about the new staff. Just stating my concern on the status-- or lack thereof-- on the recruiting front. That's it. Those are two separate things. I love Lester. He's been great so far in all aspects. Just haven't seen the results in recruiting yet.

It's all good. We're all entitled to our opinions.

Well, if you want to talk about those particular classes...the 2013 class was ranked 7th in the MAC according to 24/7, and turned out to be a very strong class (Davis, Phillips, Bailey, Day, Turner, Curle). For 2014, out of the 28 commits in that class, 14 are still on the team (15 if you count JaKevin Jackson, who graduated).

So yeah, those early Fleck classes were kind of a crap shoot. That's not to say he didn't recruit talented players, but come on...a lot changes between a kid's junior year in high school and his college graduation.

The Fleck recruiting style was exciting, but I think the program has moved away from that. We need to settle in and see what Lester can do.

(04-03-2017 09:06 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Well, if you want to talk about those particular classes...the 2013 class was ranked 7th in the MAC according to 24/7, and turned out to be a very strong class (Davis, Phillips, Bailey, Day, Turner, Curle). For 2014, out of the 28 commits in that class, 14 are still on the team (15 if you count JaKevin Jackson, who graduated).

So yeah, those early Fleck classes were kind of a crap shoot. That's not to say he didn't recruit talented players, but come on...a lot changes between a kid's junior year in high school and his college graduation.

The Fleck recruiting style was exciting, but I think the program has moved away from that. We need to settle in and see what Lester can do.

Recruiting is so hard to predict. I've been watching the WMU football program for 45 years now and have seen so many 'sure bets' never amount to anything while walk-ons become major contributors. Once you get below the 4-5 star folks who can predict how a player is going to develop at the college level?

It's fun to follow recruiting and I get as caught up in the 'star ratings' as anyone, but it's a crapshoot at best. And even when a player demonstrates individual talent after he comes aboard a program, football is a team sport and that doesn't always translate into program success. Too many other factors involved.

(04-03-2017 09:06 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Well, if you want to talk about those particular classes...the 2013 class was ranked 7th in the MAC according to 24/7, and turned out to be a very strong class (Davis, Phillips, Bailey, Day, Turner, Curle). For 2014, out of the 28 commits in that class, 14 are still on the team (15 if you count JaKevin Jackson, who graduated).

So yeah, those early Fleck classes were kind of a crap shoot. That's not to say he didn't recruit talented players, but come on...a lot changes between a kid's junior year in high school and his college graduation.

The Fleck recruiting style was exciting, but I think the program has moved away from that. We need to settle in and see what Lester can do.

The 2014-2016 classes (all full cycles under Fleck) were unanimously ranked #1 in all major recruiting sites. Are you going to dismiss that fact? Those classes produced some pretty darn good players too, as well depth and competition. Recruiting matters.

(04-03-2017 04:12 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(04-03-2017 09:06 AM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Well, if you want to talk about those particular classes...the 2013 class was ranked 7th in the MAC according to 24/7, and turned out to be a very strong class (Davis, Phillips, Bailey, Day, Turner, Curle). For 2014, out of the 28 commits in that class, 14 are still on the team (15 if you count JaKevin Jackson, who graduated).

So yeah, those early Fleck classes were kind of a crap shoot. That's not to say he didn't recruit talented players, but come on...a lot changes between a kid's junior year in high school and his college graduation.

The Fleck recruiting style was exciting, but I think the program has moved away from that. We need to settle in and see what Lester can do.

The 2014-2016 classes (all full cycles under Fleck) were unanimously ranked #1 in all major recruiting sites. Are you going to dismiss that fact? Those classes produced some pretty darn good players too, as well depth and competition. Recruiting matters.

I think his point in using on the first two years is to indicate the need for patience for a different approach. Fleck did a good job not losing them as we approached signing day, but it seemed like we did lose a number of highly regarding recruits between signing and the fall semester. Recruiting definitely isn't a sprint, it is a marathon. There are different approaches and strategies to how to approach it and it seems like we should give the benefit of the doubt until we have evidence to suggest it isn't working and that isn't for some time. It obviously matters, but with such a small sample size, it seems unfair to be "concerned" about the number of commits at this point. For example, if we had 2 more commits at this point does that change your mind?

(04-03-2017 04:35 PM)BusinessBronco Wrote:  if we had 2 more commits at this point does that change your mind?

Yes, actually.