(06-14-2016 07:38 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  I still think there will be a pretty sizable drop off for memphis. I think people are underestimating how valuable Fuente was to the team.

going from 9-10 win seasons, to 6-7 win seasons, would be a "sizable drop" for Memphis...but it would also represent making bowl games, and a good start for coach Norvell. (his recruiting has been on point so far)

I'm not expecting miracles, but I'd like to see competitive teams, and bowls.

Obviously, Catalon will be on this post-season version of this list. I'm fine with his omission considering he hasn't played in a game yet. But he and Ward running the read option - it's not going to be fair.

(06-15-2016 01:58 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  Obviously, Catalon will be on this post-season version of this list. I'm fine with his omission considering he hasn't played in a game yet. But he and Ward running the read option - it's not going to be fair.

I see that many are very excited about the top 10 list, but lets not talk top ten before anyone takes a snap. Need I remind that Catalon was beat out by a true freshman and was taking 3rd team snaps at Texas.

(06-15-2016 05:46 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:58 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  Obviously, Catalon will be on this post-season version of this list. I'm fine with his omission considering he hasn't played in a game yet. But he and Ward running the read option - it's not going to be fair.

I see that many are very excited about the top 10 list, but lets not talk top ten before anyone takes a snap. Need I remind that Catalon was beat out by a true freshman and was taking 3rd team snaps at Texas.

Practically speaking you are correct. But if we don't talk about predictions in the off season, there isn't much else to discuss.

(06-15-2016 05:46 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:58 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  Obviously, Catalon will be on this post-season version of this list. I'm fine with his omission considering he hasn't played in a game yet. But he and Ward running the read option - it's not going to be fair.

I see that many are very excited about the top 10 list, but lets not talk top ten before anyone takes a snap. Need I remind that Catalon was beat out by a true freshman and was taking 3rd team snaps at Texas.

he didnt get beat out, he quit Texas after the first fall practice

and in the spring charlie strong said his sophomore season he intended for him to be an every down back and he was that good (the starter last year was a senior, he was a RS-fresh)

something happened in the summer that made him decide he didnt want to be there anymore.. i get they had an elite true freshmen come in, but you dont lose your spot in 1 practice

Quote:Andrew King ‏@Andrew_TFB 6 Apr 2015
Charlie Strong says RB Duke Catalon can be an every down back. Says he can run by people and can run a LB over.

and a 4star LB cecil cherry who transferred to USF the same day, released a text convo saying that the texas players were scared of catalon & how difficult it was to tackle him and how happy they were for him to leave, its actually pretty funny (link below)

http://collegespun.com/big-12/texas-big-...on-twitter

and literally some of our true freshmen tweeted similar sentiments last week

Quote:Javian Smith ‏@19PROBLEMS May 31
So who brave enough to taccle Duke Catalon this season ?...may god be with you

all im saying is that the hype train is here and i am fully buckled in and hyped up in my rose colored glasses...it premature but its too late now

Herman made kenneth farrow a 4 year starter, 3 year captain re-earn his job throughout camp, and made him take lots of hits. duke in 1 week of spring, zero college snaps treated him like a star player and held him out from taking hits...he compared him to zeke (a top 10 draft pick)..herman till this day refuses to give anyone else a compliment even ward.

Quote:“Oh, man, he’s the real deal,” Herman said. “He’s as strong and powerful a back as I’ve been around"

and to add to the hype duke's smaller and slower cousin BJ catalon (5'9, 190 4.5 speed) was a super star at TCU (duke is 210 6'0 4.4)

Not that it matters, but he was beat out. http://www.burntorangenation.com/2015/8/...-transfer. "And he was probably starting to get buried on the depth chart, too, perhaps passed by a younger player. With D'Onta Foreman earning second-team reps behind Johnathan Gray through the first several days of practice, if Catalon did indeed fall behind true freshmen like Chris Warren and/or Kirk Johnson, such a situation would certainly favor a departure in sesarch of some guaranteed carries." From this article, one could speculate that he had fallen as low as 5th team. Moreover, he has a history of hamstring issues. It is obvious that everything was not hunky dory at Texas or he would not have transferred. My point is that he will not "obviously" be on the post season list.

(06-15-2016 06:55 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Not that it matters, but he was beat out. http://www.burntorangenation.com/2015/8/...-transfer. "And he was probably starting to get buried on the depth chart, too, perhaps passed by a younger player. With D'Onta Foreman earning second-team reps behind Johnathan Gray through the first several days of practice, if Catalon did indeed fall behind true freshmen like Chris Warren and/or Kirk Johnson, such a situation would certainly favor a departure in sesarch of some guaranteed carries." From this article, one could speculate that he had fallen as low as 5th team. Moreover, he has a history of hamstring issues. It is obvious that everything was not hunky dory at Texas or he would not have transferred. My point is that he will not "obviously" be on the post season list.

him and foreman were spliting reps evenly in the spring..and Chris Warren and/or Kirk Johnson werent early enrolles. meaning their first day of practice was the day he left...

you dont get beat out in ONE practice...and this article was written by a sbnation texas blog (those blogs are run by fans). every player who leaves a team in the eyes of fans "we are better off without them, we have someone else coming in, and they left because they werent going to play"

again NO ONE loses their job in ONE PRACTICE..Technically not even a full practice, rumor was that he left mid practice...and according to 247 sports, rumors were he wanted to leave for a while (ps charlie strong didnt recruit him, he was a mack brown hold over)

and the hamstring thing is actually a reason to get back on the hype train, he was listed #3 on texas depth chart as a true freshmen (& they are stacked recruit wise), the hamstring injury forced him to red-shirt, that injury was 2 years ago and the injury was light, only forced him to miss 5 weeks and no surgery

if you want to believe the texas fans that for some reason 2 true freshmen beat him out in 1 practice, because depth charts are decided that fast..go for it .. it wont save you from catalon in 2 months :D :D

Even if he did, there's no shame in getting beat out at Texas as they recruit as well as anyone in the country. Ward never would have gotten a look at QB in Austin in a million years, and how is he doing here?

(06-15-2016 07:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:55 PM)rosewater Wrote:  Not that it matters, but he was beat out. http://www.burntorangenation.com/2015/8/...-transfer. "And he was probably starting to get buried on the depth chart, too, perhaps passed by a younger player. With D'Onta Foreman earning second-team reps behind Johnathan Gray through the first several days of practice, if Catalon did indeed fall behind true freshmen like Chris Warren and/or Kirk Johnson, such a situation would certainly favor a departure in sesarch of some guaranteed carries." From this article, one could speculate that he had fallen as low as 5th team. Moreover, he has a history of hamstring issues. It is obvious that everything was not hunky dory at Texas or he would not have transferred. My point is that he will not "obviously" be on the post season list.

him and foreman were spliting reps evenly in the spring..and Chris Warren and/or Kirk Johnson werent early enrolles. meaning their first day of practice was the day he left...

you dont get beat out in ONE practice...and this article was written by a sbnation texas blog (those blogs are run by fans). every player who leaves a team in the eyes of fans "we are better off without them, we have someone else coming in, and they left because they werent going to play"

again NO ONE loses their job in ONE PRACTICE..Technically not even a full practice, rumor was that he left mid practice...and according to 247 sports, rumors were he wanted to leave for a while (ps charlie strong didnt recruit him, he was a mack brown hold over)

and the hamstring thing is actually a reason to get back on the hype train, he was listed #3 on texas depth chart as a true freshmen (& they are stacked recruit wise), the hamstring injury forced him to red-shirt, that injury was 2 years ago and the injury was light, only forced him to miss 5 weeks and no surgery

if you want to believe the texas fans that for some reason 2 true freshmen beat him out in 1 practice, because depth charts are decided that fast..go for it .. it wont save you from catalon in 2 months :D :D

I am sure he is a very good rb. Just not ready to annoit him top ten player without a snap.

(06-15-2016 06:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 05:46 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:58 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  Obviously, Catalon will be on this post-season version of this list. I'm fine with his omission considering he hasn't played in a game yet. But he and Ward running the read option - it's not going to be fair.

I see that many are very excited about the top 10 list, but lets not talk top ten before anyone takes a snap. Need I remind that Catalon was beat out by a true freshman and was taking 3rd team snaps at Texas.

he didnt get beat out, he quit Texas after the first fall practice

and in the spring charlie strong said his sophomore season he intended for him to be an every down back and he was that good (the starter last year was a senior, he was a RS-fresh)

something happened in the summer that made him decide he didnt want to be there anymore.. i get they had an elite true freshmen come in, but you dont lose your spot in 1 practice

Quote:Andrew King ‏@Andrew_TFB 6 Apr 2015
Charlie Strong says RB Duke Catalon can be an every down back. Says he can run by people and can run a LB over.

and a 4star LB cecil cherry who transferred to USF the same day, released a text convo saying that the texas players were scared of catalon & how difficult it was to tackle him and how happy they were for him to leave, its actually pretty funny (link below)

http://collegespun.com/big-12/texas-big-...on-twitter

and literally some of our true freshmen tweeted similar sentiments last week

Quote:Javian Smith ‏@19PROBLEMS May 31
So who brave enough to taccle Duke Catalon this season ?...may god be with you

all im saying is that the hype train is here and i am fully buckled in and hyped up in my rose colored glasses...it premature but its too late now

Herman made kenneth farrow a 4 year starter, 3 year captain re-earn his job throughout camp, and made him take lots of hits. duke in 1 week of spring, zero college snaps treated him like a star player and held him out from taking hits...he compared him to zeke (a top 10 draft pick)..herman till this day refuses to give anyone else a compliment even ward.

Quote:“Oh, man, he’s the real deal,” Herman said. “He’s as strong and powerful a back as I’ve been around"

and to add to the hype duke's smaller and slower cousin BJ catalon (5'9, 190 4.5 speed) was a super star at TCU (duke is 210 6'0 4.4)

You do realize that EVERY coach on every program hypes their players.

"Player A looks tremendous. Best player at his position I've been around" goes the off season quotes. Don't care. What has the player actually done at the FBS level.

Catalon has done nothing yet. He may pan out. He may not. We'll have a better idea half way through the year. You can't go by off season quotes and hype. If you could every FBS team in the country would have at least 5 All Americans.

(06-15-2016 10:07 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 05:46 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:58 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  Obviously, Catalon will be on this post-season version of this list. I'm fine with his omission considering he hasn't played in a game yet. But he and Ward running the read option - it's not going to be fair.

I see that many are very excited about the top 10 list, but lets not talk top ten before anyone takes a snap. Need I remind that Catalon was beat out by a true freshman and was taking 3rd team snaps at Texas.

he didnt get beat out, he quit Texas after the first fall practice

and in the spring charlie strong said his sophomore season he intended for him to be an every down back and he was that good (the starter last year was a senior, he was a RS-fresh)

something happened in the summer that made him decide he didnt want to be there anymore.. i get they had an elite true freshmen come in, but you dont lose your spot in 1 practice

Quote:Andrew King ‏@Andrew_TFB 6 Apr 2015
Charlie Strong says RB Duke Catalon can be an every down back. Says he can run by people and can run a LB over.

and a 4star LB cecil cherry who transferred to USF the same day, released a text convo saying that the texas players were scared of catalon & how difficult it was to tackle him and how happy they were for him to leave, its actually pretty funny (link below)

http://collegespun.com/big-12/texas-big-...on-twitter

and literally some of our true freshmen tweeted similar sentiments last week

Quote:Javian Smith ‏@19PROBLEMS May 31
So who brave enough to taccle Duke Catalon this season ?...may god be with you

all im saying is that the hype train is here and i am fully buckled in and hyped up in my rose colored glasses...it premature but its too late now

Herman made kenneth farrow a 4 year starter, 3 year captain re-earn his job throughout camp, and made him take lots of hits. duke in 1 week of spring, zero college snaps treated him like a star player and held him out from taking hits...he compared him to zeke (a top 10 draft pick)..herman till this day refuses to give anyone else a compliment even ward.

Quote:“Oh, man, he’s the real deal,” Herman said. “He’s as strong and powerful a back as I’ve been around"

and to add to the hype duke's smaller and slower cousin BJ catalon (5'9, 190 4.5 speed) was a super star at TCU (duke is 210 6'0 4.4)

You do realize that EVERY coach on every program hypes their players.

"Player A looks tremendous. Best player at his position I've been around" goes the off season quotes. Don't care. What has the player actually done at the FBS level.

Catalon has done nothing yet. He may pan out. He may not. We'll have a better idea half way through the year. You can't go by off season quotes and hype. If you could every FBS team in the country would have at least 5 All Americans.

Herman actually doesn't do that, at least not as bad as your average "coach speak" coach. I think he takes pride in the places he has been and players has coached, and it really takes a lot to blow his hair back.

I'd have to go back and find some of the specific comments, but you'd almost think that he doesn't think that Ward is any good. Ward can play near flawlessly, and in the post game presser, Herman will still criticize him.

(06-15-2016 10:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 10:07 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 05:46 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:58 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  Obviously, Catalon will be on this post-season version of this list. I'm fine with his omission considering he hasn't played in a game yet. But he and Ward running the read option - it's not going to be fair.

I see that many are very excited about the top 10 list, but lets not talk top ten before anyone takes a snap. Need I remind that Catalon was beat out by a true freshman and was taking 3rd team snaps at Texas.

he didnt get beat out, he quit Texas after the first fall practice

and in the spring charlie strong said his sophomore season he intended for him to be an every down back and he was that good (the starter last year was a senior, he was a RS-fresh)

something happened in the summer that made him decide he didnt want to be there anymore.. i get they had an elite true freshmen come in, but you dont lose your spot in 1 practice

Quote:Andrew King ‏@Andrew_TFB 6 Apr 2015
Charlie Strong says RB Duke Catalon can be an every down back. Says he can run by people and can run a LB over.

and a 4star LB cecil cherry who transferred to USF the same day, released a text convo saying that the texas players were scared of catalon & how difficult it was to tackle him and how happy they were for him to leave, its actually pretty funny (link below)

http://collegespun.com/big-12/texas-big-...on-twitter

and literally some of our true freshmen tweeted similar sentiments last week

Quote:Javian Smith ‏@19PROBLEMS May 31
So who brave enough to taccle Duke Catalon this season ?...may god be with you

all im saying is that the hype train is here and i am fully buckled in and hyped up in my rose colored glasses...it premature but its too late now

Herman made kenneth farrow a 4 year starter, 3 year captain re-earn his job throughout camp, and made him take lots of hits. duke in 1 week of spring, zero college snaps treated him like a star player and held him out from taking hits...he compared him to zeke (a top 10 draft pick)..herman till this day refuses to give anyone else a compliment even ward.

Quote:“Oh, man, he’s the real deal,” Herman said. “He’s as strong and powerful a back as I’ve been around"

and to add to the hype duke's smaller and slower cousin BJ catalon (5'9, 190 4.5 speed) was a super star at TCU (duke is 210 6'0 4.4)

You do realize that EVERY coach on every program hypes their players.

"Player A looks tremendous. Best player at his position I've been around" goes the off season quotes. Don't care. What has the player actually done at the FBS level.

Catalon has done nothing yet. He may pan out. He may not. We'll have a better idea half way through the year. You can't go by off season quotes and hype. If you could every FBS team in the country would have at least 5 All Americans.

Herman actually doesn't do that, at least not as bad as your average "coach speak" coach. I think he takes pride in the places he has been and players has coached, and it really takes a lot to blow his hair back.

I'd have to go back and find some of the specific comments, but you'd almost think that he doesn't think that Ward is any good. Ward can play near flawlessly, and in the post game presser, Herman will still criticize him.

I kinda got that impression last year from herman. He always made it seem like ward was just average.

(06-15-2016 10:27 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 10:17 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 10:07 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 06:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 05:46 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I see that many are very excited about the top 10 list, but lets not talk top ten before anyone takes a snap. Need I remind that Catalon was beat out by a true freshman and was taking 3rd team snaps at Texas.

he didnt get beat out, he quit Texas after the first fall practice

and in the spring charlie strong said his sophomore season he intended for him to be an every down back and he was that good (the starter last year was a senior, he was a RS-fresh)

something happened in the summer that made him decide he didnt want to be there anymore.. i get they had an elite true freshmen come in, but you dont lose your spot in 1 practice

Quote:Andrew King ‏@Andrew_TFB 6 Apr 2015
Charlie Strong says RB Duke Catalon can be an every down back. Says he can run by people and can run a LB over.

and a 4star LB cecil cherry who transferred to USF the same day, released a text convo saying that the texas players were scared of catalon & how difficult it was to tackle him and how happy they were for him to leave, its actually pretty funny (link below)

http://collegespun.com/big-12/texas-big-...on-twitter

and literally some of our true freshmen tweeted similar sentiments last week

Quote:Javian Smith ‏@19PROBLEMS May 31
So who brave enough to taccle Duke Catalon this season ?...may god be with you

all im saying is that the hype train is here and i am fully buckled in and hyped up in my rose colored glasses...it premature but its too late now

Herman made kenneth farrow a 4 year starter, 3 year captain re-earn his job throughout camp, and made him take lots of hits. duke in 1 week of spring, zero college snaps treated him like a star player and held him out from taking hits...he compared him to zeke (a top 10 draft pick)..herman till this day refuses to give anyone else a compliment even ward.

Quote:“Oh, man, he’s the real deal,” Herman said. “He’s as strong and powerful a back as I’ve been around"

and to add to the hype duke's smaller and slower cousin BJ catalon (5'9, 190 4.5 speed) was a super star at TCU (duke is 210 6'0 4.4)

You do realize that EVERY coach on every program hypes their players.

"Player A looks tremendous. Best player at his position I've been around" goes the off season quotes. Don't care. What has the player actually done at the FBS level.

Catalon has done nothing yet. He may pan out. He may not. We'll have a better idea half way through the year. You can't go by off season quotes and hype. If you could every FBS team in the country would have at least 5 All Americans.

Herman actually doesn't do that, at least not as bad as your average "coach speak" coach. I think he takes pride in the places he has been and players has coached, and it really takes a lot to blow his hair back.

I'd have to go back and find some of the specific comments, but you'd almost think that he doesn't think that Ward is any good. Ward can play near flawlessly, and in the post game presser, Herman will still criticize him.

I kinda got that impression last year from herman. He always made it seem like ward was just average.

He doesn't really feel that way, it's just the way he gets the best out of Ward.

Here is Ward's and Herman's relationship in a nutshell. Ward makes a great play out of nothing and scores. Everyone is pumped. Chest bump from an assistant. Then he gets to Herman, who is PISSED. Apparently, he didn't score well enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKakZ6h16-U#t=34m52s

(06-15-2016 10:07 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  You do realize that EVERY coach on every program hypes their players.

"Player A looks tremendous. Best player at his position I've been around" goes the off season quotes. Don't care. What has the player actually done at the FBS level.

Catalon has done nothing yet. He may pan out. He may not. We'll have a better idea half way through the year. You can't go by off season quotes and hype. If you could every FBS team in the country would have at least 5 All Americans.

did you read the part i wrote about how herman doesnt compliment anyone else, not even ward

greg is kinda a hometown hero in tyler texas, when herman went there for recruiting last year, they interviewed herman expecting him to praise ward. herman didnt and just criticized ward.. he is too skinny, i refuse to play him at that size, he's a good passer, but you wouldn't know because he runs too much and doesnt get through his reads before running , he needs to get in the film room etc.

this is one of the interviews, notice at 3:50 the reporters points out that that was definitely not a ringing endorsement
https://youtu.be/aBWBOKf2Vh8?t=3m48s

Herman went back to tyler 2 weeks ago, note this is after 13-0 ward, he still refused to give ward a ringing endorsement but saying ward is trying to lead by example and for a qb that just isnt good enough he still needs to gin weight etc.
http://www.kltv.com/story/32204825/houst...nd-cougars
notice how he says he doesnt give compliments

some other famous quotes from herman, he went to the national media and said that outside of 3 wr the rest of our 9 wr arent scholarship worthy players . (ps it was to push them)..
he never says anything nice about our players, in his word they get pats on the back when they graduate

and like i noted earlier farrow was a 3 year captain of our team and a 4 year starter (also kinda injury prone) but yet herman refused to name him the starter and made him take full hit till the end of fall camp despite being one of 2 rbs in the league that rushed over a 1000yds the year before

but with duke in interviews, "man that guy is the real deal, i expect huge things out of him, he is as strong as any back ive seen and as fast zeek and every bit as good".. he only took 1 week of contact in spring and then herman held him out of contact and out of the spring game just because of precaution and already named him the starter, when a couple of our rbs arent even on campus yet


and this is from cecil cherry on your team (usf) when he transfer from texas

(06-15-2016 10:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 10:07 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  You do realize that EVERY coach on every program hypes their players.

"Player A looks tremendous. Best player at his position I've been around" goes the off season quotes. Don't care. What has the player actually done at the FBS level.

Catalon has done nothing yet. He may pan out. He may not. We'll have a better idea half way through the year. You can't go by off season quotes and hype. If you could every FBS team in the country would have at least 5 All Americans.

did you read the part i wrote about how herman doesnt compliment anyone else, not even ward

greg is kinda a hometown hero in tyler texas, when herman went there for recruiting last year, they interviewed herman expecting him to praise ward. herman didnt and just criticized ward.. he is too skinny, i refuse to play him at that size, he's a good passer, but you wouldn't know because he runs too much and doesnt get through his reads before running , he needs to get in the film room etc.

this is one of the interviews, notice at 3:50 the reporters points out that that was definitely not a ringing endorsement
https://youtu.be/aBWBOKf2Vh8?t=3m48s

Herman went back to tyler 2 weeks ago, note this is after 13-0 ward, he still refused to give ward a ringing endorsement but saying ward is trying to lead by example and for a qb that just isnt good enough he still needs to gin weight etc.
http://www.kltv.com/story/32204825/houst...nd-cougars
notice how he says he doesnt give compliments

some other famous quotes from herman, he went to the national media and said that outside of 3 wr the rest of our 9 wr arent scholarship worthy players . (ps it was to push them)..
he never says anything nice about our players, in his word they get pats on the back when they graduate

and like i noted earlier farrow was a 3 year captain of our team and a 4 year starter (also kinda injury prone) but yet herman refused to name him the starter and made him take full hit till the end of fall camp despite being one of 2 rbs in the league that rushed over a 1000yds the year before

but with duke in interviews, "man that guy is the real deal, i expect huge things out of him, he is as strong as any back ive seen and as fast zeek and every bit as good".. he only took 1 week of contact in spring and then herman held him out of contact and out of the spring game just because of precaution and already named him the starter, when a couple of our rbs arent even on campus yet


and this is from cecil cherry on your team (usf) when he transfer from texas

Perhaps that philosophy will be absorbed by some of the fan base in Houston.

Not on the list but I believe Cincinnati RB Mike Boone is poised to have a monster year. He and Tion Green will be a two headed monster at the position.

(06-16-2016 07:34 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  Perhaps that philosophy will be absorbed by some of the fan base in Houston.

:-) not our job to motivate players and keep out complacency, so i doubt it...
don't worry im saving seats for you, rose and bull on the hype train, you guys can join later.

no need to thank you, i don't mind

Sutton was a beast last times, but he was inconsistent due to the inability of Davis to get him the ball. It will be interesting to see what he can do when he isn't the only receiver threat on the field.

(06-15-2016 06:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 05:46 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:58 PM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  Obviously, Catalon will be on this post-season version of this list. I'm fine with his omission considering he hasn't played in a game yet. But he and Ward running the read option - it's not going to be fair.

I see that many are very excited about the top 10 list, but lets not talk top ten before anyone takes a snap. Need I remind that Catalon was beat out by a true freshman and was taking 3rd team snaps at Texas.

he didnt get beat out, he quit Texas after the first fall practice

and in the spring charlie strong said his sophomore season he intended for him to be an every down back and he was that good (the starter last year was a senior, he was a RS-fresh)

something happened in the summer that made him decide he didnt want to be there anymore.. i get they had an elite true freshmen come in, but you dont lose your spot in 1 practice

Quote:Andrew King ‏@Andrew_TFB 6 Apr 2015
Charlie Strong says RB Duke Catalon can be an every down back. Says he can run by people and can run a LB over.

and a 4star LB cecil cherry who transferred to USF the same day, released a text convo saying that the texas players were scared of catalon & how difficult it was to tackle him and how happy they were for him to leave, its actually pretty funny (link below)

http://collegespun.com/big-12/texas-big-...on-twitter

and literally some of our true freshmen tweeted similar sentiments last week

Quote:Javian Smith ‏@19PROBLEMS May 31
So who brave enough to taccle Duke Catalon this season ?...may god be with you

all im saying is that the hype train is here and i am fully buckled in and hyped up in my rose colored glasses...it premature but its too late now

Herman made kenneth farrow a 4 year starter, 3 year captain re-earn his job throughout camp, and made him take lots of hits. duke in 1 week of spring, zero college snaps treated him like a star player and held him out from taking hits...he compared him to zeke (a top 10 draft pick)..herman till this day refuses to give anyone else a compliment even ward.

Quote:“Oh, man, he’s the real deal,” Herman said. “He’s as strong and powerful a back as I’ve been around"

and to add to the hype duke's smaller and slower cousin BJ catalon (5'9, 190 4.5 speed) was a super star at TCU (duke is 210 6'0 4.4)

Not only did Catalon dislike Texas coaching staff, but also felt the same way about their offense style.