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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
ULM left out, not surprised. People look at our budget and discount us. Nevermind the fact that we finished #3 and #2 the last two years in basketball, we went to a football bowl game in 2012 and we won conference baseball titles in 2008 and 2012. Plus, we sent reps to participate in the NCAA outdoor track championships this year. Oh well...

To the issue at hand, any member school of the SBC who considers jumping ship for CUSA deserves to have their accreditation revoked. The SBC sits in a position of strength. Even if we add two more full members, we will be in a position to make more money per school than CUSA using present dollars. Thing is, if we added USM and Witchita State to our lineup, we could get even more money in broadcast dollars, tighten up our footprint and lower travel cost, and quite reasonably turn this league into a two bid basketball conference. So, now let's get into a revenue and competitive balance growth process. We have the ability to do it now.
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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
The significance of the commentary is that a member of the media covering the only CUSA charter school to play every year of CUSA football has looked at the landscape and realized that CUSA and Sun Belt are no longer truly different and no longer does revenue justify being a far-flung league.

CUSA was built far-flung to maximize revenue.
Sun Belt was built far-flung to get appropriate members even if the geography wasn't ideal.

Revenue no longer warrants being far-flung so why pay the cost associated?
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(06-11-2016 06:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Revenue no longer warrants being far-flung so why pay the cost associated?

He's far from the first to recommend it though. I believe we have both discussed a similar rearranging of teams in the past. The continuing problem is that you'll not be able to get enough people to take the risk and change.
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Neither conference is going to want 5/6 (come on UTA, get football) Texas schools. It's that simple. It may have been ok with the SWC and now the B12 but it won't work for G5s. It would be great for attendance (except maybe UTEP) but I would bet TV people would cringe.
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(06-11-2016 06:34 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Neither conference is going to want 5/6 (come on UTA, get football) Texas schools. It's that simple. It may have been ok with the SWC and now the B12 but it won't work for G5s. It would be great for attendance (except maybe UTEP) but I would bet TV people would cringe.

A G5 league it would matter less if more Texas schools are lumped together, tv deal isn't that important.
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(06-11-2016 06:34 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Neither conference is going to want 5/6 (come on UTA, get football) Texas schools. It's that simple. It may have been ok with the SWC and now the B12 but it won't work for G5s. It would be great for attendance (except maybe UTEP) but I would bet TV people would cringe.

That would be a concern for a power conference with a vast TV deal but doesn't make a difference if you're only getting $100,000 any way.
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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
If we're talking merger/cherry picking then I'd like to see the following:

NEW CONFERENCE:

EAST:
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
South Alabama
UAB
Western Kentucky

WEST:
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
Rice
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
UTSA


LEFTOVERS CONFERENCE:

Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
North Texas
Old Dominion
Texas State
Troy
ULM
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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
(06-11-2016 07:06 PM)I AM an Eagle! Wrote:  If we're talking merger/cherry picking then I'd like to see the following:

NEW CONFERENCE:

EAST:
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
South Alabama
UAB
Western Kentucky

WEST:
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
Rice
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
UTSA


LEFTOVERS CONFERENCE:

Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
North Texas
Old Dominion
Texas State
Troy
ULM

Remove Rice, UTEP, and UTSA, replace them with Troy, ODU, and Coastal. Then rework the divisions. That leaves the Texas Schools together
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You folks are always real quick to leave us out, aren't you?
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(06-11-2016 07:38 PM)CatMom Wrote:  You folks are always real quick to leave us out.

Catmom I like y'all, I honestly prefer the SBC as it is now.
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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
Interesting.

First time I've seen this bandied about by what should be a CUSA aligned media source.

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Won't happen the way he's proposing because CUSA is too big. The only way USM gets in a more compact conference is if they leave for the Sun Belt. So their choices are

1) Remain in CUSA
2) Join the Belt
3) Get an AAC bid

Right now, no one is leaving CUSA for the Sun Belt, but its plausible in the medium term.
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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
Long time CUSA schools USM, Rice, UTEP ought to talk about what is best way forward. Can they coax other CUSA west schools- La Tech, UNT, UTSA and media partner ESPN to join in creating a ten team SWC? Suggest study pulling in NMSU, stAte, UL and a fourth school to round out a SWC Conference. Ten schools in conference is best model at this time for G5.
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(06-11-2016 11:45 PM)Duckster Wrote:  Long time CUSA schools USM, Rice, UTEP ought to talk about what is best way forward. Can they coax other CUSA west schools- La Tech, UNT, UTSA and media partner ESPN to join in creating a ten team SWC? Suggest study pulling in NMSU, stAte, UL and a fourth school to round out a SWC Conference. Ten schools in conference is best model at this time for G5.

This proposal makes sense

Conference I

East

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Missouri State
North Texas
Rice

West

New Mexico State
Texas El Paso
Texas San Antonio
Texas State
Wichita State

Conference II

North

Appalachian State
Charlotte
Liberty
James Madison
Old Dominion


South

Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
South Alabama

Conference III

East

UAB
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State
Middle Tennessee
Troy

West

Little Rock/UMASS
Louisiana Tech
Southern Miss
Texas Arlington/Idaho
Troy
Western Kentucky
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Rice is further east (Houston) than TXST. TXST is just 50 miles from UTSA.
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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
(06-12-2016 12:46 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(06-11-2016 11:45 PM)Duckster Wrote:  Long time CUSA schools USM, Rice, UTEP ought to talk about what is best way forward. Can they coax other CUSA west schools- La Tech, UNT, UTSA and media partner ESPN to join in creating a ten team SWC? Suggest study pulling in NMSU, stAte, UL and a fourth school to round out a SWC Conference. Ten schools in conference is best model at this time for G5.

This proposal makes sense

Conference I

East

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Missouri State
North Texas
Rice

West

New Mexico State
Texas El Paso
Texas San Antonio
Texas State
Wichita State

Conference II

North

Appalachian State
Charlotte
Liberty
James Madison
Old Dominion


South

Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
South Alabama

Conference III

East

UAB
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State
Middle Tennessee
Troy

West

Little Rock/UMASS
Louisiana Tech
Southern Miss
Texas Arlington/Idaho
Troy
Western Kentucky


Conference II looks horrible, Liberty? Charlotte is garbage, i'd like to play them, but don't care to be in the same conference.
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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
(06-11-2016 11:45 PM)Duckster Wrote:  Long time CUSA schools USM, Rice, UTEP ought to talk about what is best way forward. Can they coax other CUSA west schools- La Tech, UNT, UTSA and media partner ESPN to join in creating a ten team SWC? Suggest study pulling in NMSU, stAte, UL and a fourth school to round out a SWC Conference. Ten schools in conference is best model at this time for G5.

There won't be a new conference created. First of all, they'd need a waiver to get an at large NCAA basketball bid and a piece of the Playoff money. And why would some combination of some CUSA and some Sun Belt schools be worth more to ESPN than the same schools in different conferences?

Look, there aren't going to be any new conferences created. Nor are we going to split the Belt and CUSA into pieces in order to put them back together in some other way. It doesn't work that way.

Barring some other shakeup, the situation is frozen. CUSA has too many teams so they're not raiding us. What are they going to do? Move to 16 teams to take Ga Southern and App State? Not likely. And there'd still probably be no more TV money from such a deal. The prisoner's dilemma (where any team offered a bid by CUSA has to take it because if they turn it down, CUSA would just go after another Belt team, thus weakening what is left of the conference) is over.

But so long as we don't get better, no CUSA team will defect to the Belt. And by better, I mean much better than CUSA. And for more than one season.

And anyway, this isn't our problem. We're not the conference having to slash our athletic department budgets because we relied too heavily on transitory TV dollars. We're not stuck with a three time zone conference that's extremely far flung. We're not stuck with a line up of bowl games where our teams will lose money in just about every one of them. We don't have 14 teams dividing up the Playoff money. We don't have 14 teams fighting for 1 NCAA basketball bid. Our moveups are largely seasoned and contributing (except Coastal).

CUSA got themselves into this jam themselves. They took the wrong teams. They clung to a failed model of markets. There's no need for us to rush out and figure out a way for them to get out of it.
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Wow Arstatefan1986, just completely left off ULM...geeez
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(06-12-2016 01:04 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  Wow Arstatefan1986, just completely left off ULM...geeez

He also put his own school in the worst possible conference imaginable. All those teams minus ULL stink...
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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
(06-12-2016 12:56 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-11-2016 11:45 PM)Duckster Wrote:  Long time CUSA schools USM, Rice, UTEP ought to talk about what is best way forward. Can they coax other CUSA west schools- La Tech, UNT, UTSA and media partner ESPN to join in creating a ten team SWC? Suggest study pulling in NMSU, stAte, UL and a fourth school to round out a SWC Conference. Ten schools in conference is best model at this time for G5.

There won't be a new conference created. First of all, they'd need a waiver to get an at large NCAA basketball bid and a piece of the Playoff money. And why would some combination of some CUSA and some Sun Belt schools be worth more to ESPN than the same schools in different conferences?

Look, there aren't going to be any new conferences created. Nor are we going to split the Belt and CUSA into pieces in order to put them back together in some other way. It doesn't work that way.

Barring some other shakeup, the situation is frozen. CUSA has too many teams so they're not raiding us. What are they going to do? Move to 16 teams to take Ga Southern and App State? Not likely. And there'd still probably be no more TV money from such a deal. The prisoner's dilemma (where any team offered a bid by CUSA has to take it because if they turn it down, CUSA would just go after another Belt team, thus weakening what is left of the conference) is over.

But so long as we don't get better, no CUSA team will defect to the Belt. And by better, I mean much better than CUSA. And for more than one season.

And anyway, this isn't our problem. We're not the conference having to slash our athletic department budgets because we relied too heavily on transitory TV dollars. We're not stuck with a three time zone conference that's extremely far flung. We're not stuck with a line up of bowl games where our teams will lose money in just about every one of them. We don't have 14 teams dividing up the Playoff money. We don't have 14 teams fighting for 1 NCAA basketball bid. Our moveups are largely seasoned and contributing (except Coastal).

CUSA got themselves into this jam themselves. They took the wrong teams. They clung to a failed model of markets. There's no need for us to rush out and figure out a way for them to get out of it.

Couldn't agree more with what you said. I put the chance of a bailout at less than 10%.
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RE: Commentary: SBC/CUSA Merger?
(06-12-2016 12:46 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  
(06-11-2016 11:45 PM)Duckster Wrote:  Long time CUSA schools USM, Rice, UTEP ought to talk about what is best way forward. Can they coax other CUSA west schools- La Tech, UNT, UTSA and media partner ESPN to join in creating a ten team SWC? Suggest study pulling in NMSU, stAte, UL and a fourth school to round out a SWC Conference. Ten schools in conference is best model at this time for G5.

This proposal makes sense

Conference I

East

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Missouri State
North Texas
Rice

West

New Mexico State
Texas El Paso
Texas San Antonio
Texas State
Wichita State

Conference II

North

Appalachian State
Charlotte
Liberty
James Madison
Old Dominion


South

Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
South Alabama

Conference III

East

UAB
Eastern Kentucky
Jacksonville State
Middle Tennessee
Troy

West

Little Rock/UMASS
Louisiana Tech
Southern Miss
Texas Arlington/Idaho
Troy
Western Kentucky

Wow. Even DavidSt (is it David State, David Saint or David Street?) wonders what you've been smoking.
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