(07-17-2020 07:45 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Saw a post FBS team, this year, will be able to count two FCS wins toward bowl eligibility. That should help if you guys with scheduling this fall.

FIFY

That's not a guarantee against us. Just sayin'.

(07-17-2020 07:53 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 07:45 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Saw a post FBS team, this year, will be able to count two FCS wins toward bowl eligibility. That should help if you guys with scheduling this fall.

FIFY

That's not a guarantee against us. Just sayin'.

Not sure we'd schedule you. Would think playing Army and UConn twice would be preferable since those are close bus games. Next adding BYU to the schedule because it's a good name. Then between playing Libery twice or JMU the nod goes to Liberty because their AD use to the AD at UMass. JMU is possible but fifth at best on the list of teams to schedule.

Certainly would not mind playing JMU in the future. My preference is to play football in the Spring because we are so young. Last year we had 56 scholarship players and during the season had to start 7 true freshman and two walk-ons in the trenches. The lines are very inexperience and most of the defense.

This year we are looking to get more competitive but it will be a long road getting to the FBS limit. That said, the new coach is doing a good job recruiting, especially around the DC DMV area. 8 recruits last year and the break down by state is on the right side of the below link. You can change the year in the drop down selection to the future or the past.

https://247sports.com/college/massachuse...l/Commits/

(07-17-2020 07:53 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 07:45 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Saw a post FBS team, this year, will be able to count two FCS wins toward bowl eligibility. That should help if you guys with scheduling this fall.

FIFY

That's not a guarantee against us. Just sayin'.

It's definitely not a guarantee. That's why it's gonna be hard to schedule games with FBS teams looking to fill schedule holes.
Teams are reluctant to play JMU during good times. Now with JMU in a desperate situation like this, I don't see many FBS teams willing to come to our rescue to bail us out.

Brian Mclaughlin of Hero Sports reported that Delaware, Elon and Towson still want to play
https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2020...yoffs-ajaj

I'd say that maybe JMU's best option is to do Home-and-Home's with those 3 teams. Then hopefully be able to keep our 3 OOC games (Chattanooga, UNC, Merrimack). That's 9 games.

The key to JMU's stance to play this year is that they will play if there are FCS playoffs
https://twitter.com/Madia_DNRSports/stat...4656709634

Why would the NCAA/FCS hold playoffs if one of the major conferences is not playing games.
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/statu...6722806784

If I'm any team and JMU comes looking for a game, the first thing I'm saying is---Since you're only gonna play as long as there is an FCS postseason, come back and talk to us once there is an official announcement of an FCS postseason.
Why would any team want to schedule a game with JMU, then have to cancel it because of JMU's stance to only play if there is an FCS postseason.

Elon plans to play this year---and the statement says nothing about it being dependent upon an FCS post season
https://twitter.com/adam_smithTN/status/...4856828930

I really hope JMU changes it's---dependent upon postseason stance---because that is a built-in sabotage

(07-17-2020 08:34 AM)DukeThaDawg Wrote:  I'd say that maybe JMU's best option is to do Home-and-Home's with those 3 teams. Then hopefully be able to keep our 3 OOC games (Chattanooga, UNC, Merrimack). That's 9 games.

Well, for starters, you can cross UNCheat off the list. They won't be hosting any non-conference games. There is a chance UNCheat might have their scheduled game against Auburn in Atlanta stay as the SEC & ACC are kicking around the idea of each having 8-game conference schedules (perhaps 10) and then 1 non-conference game against a P5 opponent. This would allow FSU to continue playing Florida, UGA and GT, Clemson/USCe, UK and UofL, and so forth. This report suggests UVA and WVU could play one another in Atlanta (which makes absolutely no sense for each to travel 600+ miles to Atlanta to play in front of nobody when they both reside in the mid-atlantic)... https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2020/0...uburn.html

But, UNCheat has no incentive of paying JMU to play in Chapel Hell when they'll have no fans to fund the payout. I really don't think Merrimack or its conference will be playing FB this fall. Chattanooga and the SoCon is a big question mark as is the G5's Sun Belt (who we have no games scheduled against, but perhaps they'll be looking for opponents if they try to move forward). If we agreed, for instance, to travel to App State, who is going to pay for that? On our dime? On App State's dime? If so, how is App State going to justify paying for our travel costs? Shared costs maybe??? No hotels, just buses on a long-drive day trip???

I know it seems unlikely, but last I saw it seems the press has been reporting the UNC game is officially still on. I would think if JMU had been notified its canceled, they would have shared that with certain reporters.

The game I really want to see scheduled is another matchup at ECU. It would be tons of fun to march into DFS a second time and take a W from Houston. They have a schedule opening.

(07-19-2020 03:02 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  I know it seems unlikely, but last I saw it seems the press has been reporting the UNC game is officially still on. I would think if JMU had been notified its canceled, they would have shared that with certain reporters.

The game I really want to see scheduled is another matchup at ECU. It would be tons of fun to march into DFS a second time and take a W from Houston. They have a schedule opening.

Yep, this has the makings of a great rival game. If we could just get to the next level, they'd want to kick our butt at BFS in a bad way. We don't need to be in the same conference (nice, but not necessary) to get an annual or semiannual deal going with them.

Yeah I'll be surprised if the UNC game is played. I could've sworn I saw a while back that the ACC was one conference that was cancelling all non-conference games, looking now it looks like just the little 10. I remember when I saw before it was little 10 and ACC so I guess maybe what I had seen was more of a "Source: Announcement expected tomorrow from ACC/B1G" kind of thing than an official announcement.

Regardless, it's hard to imagine games in the fall with stadiums at full capacity if even any fans at all so it's hard to imagine UNC or anyone else paying what they normally would for JMU(or anyone else) to come to town. Still, if it doesn't end up all pushed back to the spring then teams that decide to play in the fall are going to have schedules to fill. Hell, maybe this could even be a chance to land some 2 for 1 deals that would normally be impossible or something along those lines. Imagine landing a 2 for 1 with App State or ODU... Well ok, ODU isn't gonna sign up for three losses to an FCS team they already struggle to recruit against, but maybe someone like App. Hard to tell, but it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

If we actually do end up playing in the fall then I wouldn't be surprised to see a pretty major upgrade in our schedule... And a great chance to show how a top FCS team like JMU or NDSU really could fare against an FBS schedule.

It was reported the ACC was cancelling all non-conference games, but it seems either the people running with 5hat story got ahead of themselves or the conference has reconsidered.

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2020/07/...-for-2020/

https://247sports.com/Article/ACC-Big-12...149270783/

(07-19-2020 09:04 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  It was reported the ACC was cancelling all non-conference games, but it seems either the people running with 5hat story got ahead of themselves or the conference has reconsidered.

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2020/07/...-for-2020/

https://247sports.com/Article/ACC-Big-12...149270783/

I don't think the folks who ran with that story got ahead of themselves at all. The non-con games they are considering are P5 opponents only. More specifically, the SEC and ACC are reportedly trying to save the Chick Fil A kickoff teams in Atlanta (UNC vs Auburn and then switch UVA from playing UGA, who already has a P5 rival game vs GT they are trying to save, and move the Cavs to playing WVU...WVU is scheduled to face F$U, but the Noles like UGA already have a rival P5 game they want to save and play against the Gators).

Non-conference games against Notre Dame for the ACC programs will also be in play to keeping. I see no reason for UNCheat to want to host JMU unfortunately. They would have to pay us a sizeable check with little-to-no fans in the stands to pay for it. I'd love it if we could pull off having that game and many others, but just don't see it.

(07-20-2020 06:02 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(07-19-2020 09:04 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  It was reported the ACC was cancelling all non-conference games, but it seems either the people running with 5hat story got ahead of themselves or the conference has reconsidered.

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2020/07/...-for-2020/

https://247sports.com/Article/ACC-Big-12...149270783/

I don't think the folks who ran with that story got ahead of themselves at all. The non-con games they are considering are P5 opponents only. More specifically, the SEC and ACC are reportedly trying to save the Chick Fil A kickoff teams in Atlanta (UNC vs Auburn and then switch UVA from playing UGA, who already has a P5 rival game vs GT they are trying to save, and move the Cavs to playing WVU...WVU is scheduled to face F$U, but the Noles like UGA already have a rival P5 game they want to save and play against the Gators).

Non-conference games against Notre Dame for the ACC programs will also be in play to keeping. I see no reason for UNCheat to want to host JMU unfortunately. They would have to pay us a sizeable check with little-to-no fans in the stands to pay for it. I'd love it if we could pull off having that game and many others, but just don't see it.

The thing is, normally you can’t arbitrarily decide this with a contract. Either the ACC is going conference games only or they aren’t. If they are picking and choosing, then force majeure clauses shouldn’t apply, and they would not have such an easy out.

(07-20-2020 06:17 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 06:02 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(07-19-2020 09:04 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  It was reported the ACC was cancelling all non-conference games, but it seems either the people running with 5hat story got ahead of themselves or the conference has reconsidered.

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2020/07/...-for-2020/

https://247sports.com/Article/ACC-Big-12...149270783/

I don't think the folks who ran with that story got ahead of themselves at all. The non-con games they are considering are P5 opponents only. More specifically, the SEC and ACC are reportedly trying to save the Chick Fil A kickoff teams in Atlanta (UNC vs Auburn and then switch UVA from playing UGA, who already has a P5 rival game vs GT they are trying to save, and move the Cavs to playing WVU...WVU is scheduled to face F$U, but the Noles like UGA already have a rival P5 game they want to save and play against the Gators).

Non-conference games against Notre Dame for the ACC programs will also be in play to keeping. I see no reason for UNCheat to want to host JMU unfortunately. They would have to pay us a sizeable check with little-to-no fans in the stands to pay for it. I'd love it if we could pull off having that game and many others, but just don't see it.

The thing is, normally you can’t arbitrarily decide this with a contract. Either the ACC is going conference games only or they aren’t. If they are picking and choosing, then force majeure clauses shouldn’t apply, and they would not have such an easy out.

Yep. JMU could attempt to sue or seek some kind of settlement, but that could be detrimental to future scheduling and contract opportunities. I think because we are so strong in FB at the D1AA level, we already have a tough time getting teams to face us (*cough* UVA *cough* *cough*).

The ACC is most definitely not going conference only. They are going to play games against Notre Dame (technically in FB, not a conference game) and it appears will work hard to assure the in-state rivalry games in FL, SC, GA, and KY move forward. Side note, I saw online last week that the Univ of Tennessee actually had the word "pandemic" in its contracts releasing it from any breach of contract if they choose to cancel, which they are going to likely in at least 2 or 3 cases (e.g., Charlotte, definitely Furman, and Troy on this upcoming season's schedule).

(07-20-2020 06:02 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(07-19-2020 09:04 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  It was reported the ACC was cancelling all non-conference games, but it seems either the people running with 5hat story got ahead of themselves or the conference has reconsidered.

https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2020/07/...-for-2020/

https://247sports.com/Article/ACC-Big-12...149270783/

I don't think the folks who ran with that story got ahead of themselves at all. The non-con games they are considering are P5 opponents only. More specifically, the SEC and ACC are reportedly trying to save the Chick Fil A kickoff teams in Atlanta (UNC vs Auburn and then switch UVA from playing UGA, who already has a P5 rival game vs GT they are trying to save, and move the Cavs to playing WVU...WVU is scheduled to face F$U, but the Noles like UGA already have a rival P5 game they want to save and play against the Gators).

Non-conference games against Notre Dame for the ACC programs will also be in play to keeping. I see no reason for UNCheat to want to host JMU unfortunately. They would have to pay us a sizeable check with little-to-no fans in the stands to pay for it. I'd love it if we could pull off having that game and many others, but just don't see it.

In the interest of saving the game, and given the circumstances, maybe we could agree to lower the payout. We are currently guaranteed $500K. If the Tarholes can't play their other OOC games without also playing us, I guess we have them over a barrel. However, if they push and say, "Nope, we are playing our other OOC games and only canceling JMU," maybe we could accept a lower amount, like $400K, just to keep the game alive. What are our other options, appeal to the NCAA or go to court to force the game on UNC, which they may still refuse, forcing us to sue them later. Rather than go through all of that, it seems like it would be better for everyone if we accepted a lesser payout. This game is definitely better for JMU than UNC. If we beat the Tarholes, which I believe could very well happen, depending on QB play, they will have paid big money to get their asses kicked by an FCS team.

The most likely scenario I see with UNCheat is that we will mutually agree to cancel (well, UNCheat will cancel I mean), we will secure another date with them down the road, and we will go on our merry way. Bourne should try to work a deal where the Tar Holes MBB team makes a trip to The Bank in the next couple of years as part of this "mutual" agreement with us traveling to the Dean Dome in return some season(s) in the near future. Just sayin'.

Note, I don't see us trying to sue or financially recover anything from a cancellation. First, most schools don't do that sort of thing...especially in the middle of a national crisis. And next, as I stated previously, I think we want to stay in the good graces for the most part with the ACC (and UNCheat) for future scheduling opportunities not only in FB but in MBB as well. I don't know that they would necessarily black ball us from future scheduling, but suing them certainly wouldn't help us down the road. Just one idiot's opinion of course...

(07-20-2020 08:42 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  The most likely scenario I see with UNCheat is that we will mutually agree to cancel (well, UNCheat will cancel I mean), we will secure another date with them down the road, and we will go on our merry way. Bourne should try to work a deal where the Tar Holes MBB team makes a trip to The Bank in the next couple of years as part of this "mutual" agreement with us traveling to the Dean Dome in return some season(s) in the near future. Just sayin'.

Note, I don't see us trying to sue or financially recover anything from a cancellation. First, most schools don't do that sort of thing...especially in the middle of a national crisis. And next, as I stated previously, I think we want to stay in the good graces for the most part with the ACC (and UNCheat) for future scheduling opportunities not only in FB but in MBB as well. I don't know that they would necessarily black ball us from future scheduling, but suing them certainly wouldn't help us down the road. Just one idiot's opinion of course...

They had an opportunity to black ball us a few years ago. We had a signed deal with them, then they wanted to change the date so they could play an OOC game against Louisville. We said no can do. They ditched the Cardinals due to a $600k payment they'd been forced to pay us.

(07-20-2020 06:36 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Side note, I saw online last week that the Univ of Tennessee actually had the word "pandemic" in its contracts releasing it from any breach of contract if they choose to cancel, which they are going to likely in at least 2 or 3 cases (e.g., Charlotte, definitely Furman, and Troy on this upcoming season's schedule).

I can see somebody playing the “pandemic” card if it results in no games played, but how can you justify that if you turn around and play other games and even re-schedule to fill out their season schedule? Especially with the ACC saying no to JMU fir UNC and backfilling with ND who has to travel much further.

And I also see the JMU game getting dropped and JMU taking some deal down the road for one of their teams either coming to JMU or the football team headed down in a later year at a higher price.

(07-20-2020 07:12 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 06:36 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Side note, I saw online last week that the Univ of Tennessee actually had the word "pandemic" in its contracts releasing it from any breach of contract if they choose to cancel, which they are going to likely in at least 2 or 3 cases (e.g., Charlotte, definitely Furman, and Troy on this upcoming season's schedule).

I can see somebody playing the “pandemic” card if it results in no games played, but how can you justify that if you turn around and play other games and even re-schedule to fill out their season schedule? Especially with the ACC saying no to JMU fir UNC and backfilling with ND who has to travel much further.

And I also see the JMU game getting dropped and JMU taking some deal down the road for one of their teams either coming to JMU or the football team headed down in a later year at a higher price.

We all know why. The big boys have all the leverage. If UT can fill near 100K in Neyland to host Furman they wouldn’t think for a second of cancellation (even with a pandemic crisis going on). But with possibly as little as 20K or even no fans in the stadium, it would be a losing financial scenario for UT. What’s Furman, just for this example, going to do? They have very little, if any, realistic leverage here. Their best bet is to play nice with UT and set a make up date in the future and maybe see if they can talk UT into playing a MBB game down at Furman or something.

According to the below, force-majeure shouldn't apply to OOC games, if the team breaking the contract plays their conference games, unless conference prohibitions are included in the contract.
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bulls/20...-football/

Was wondering how JMU's 2022 $600,000 payout from L'ville stacked up. I vaguely remember ASU getting $600k from LSU in 2008, the year after ASU beat Michigan, which would be $700+k inflation adjusted in today's dollars.

FWIW Big Sky @ Pac 12 this season (before the cancellations)
Montana St @ Utah $675,000 (biggest ever for a I-AA?*)
Cal Poly at Cal $625,000
Idaho @ Wa St $550,000
NAU @ AZ St $518,186
PSU @ Oregon St $400,000
https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/sp...ab8f6.html

Excluding Idaho. Idaho dropped back down 2018, but signed contracts beforehand for:
2018 @ Florida $1.2 million
2019 @ Penn St $1.45 million
2021 @ Indiana $1.2 million
2022 @ Indiana $1.3 million

Idaho was scheduled this season @ LSU $1.4 million, but LSU canceled in 2017 invoking language in the contract that allowed either school to drop the game without financial penalty if the other was not an FBS member at least 24 months prior to the game date and at the time the game was played.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/...ar-AAGBT8r

UMASS negotiated $1.9m guarantee for game against Auburn in 2020.

Arkansas State was set to receive $1.8m for a game against Michigan.

Portland State was guaranteed $900k for games against Arizona and Oregon State.

Total guarantee game revenue to UMASS is $3.3m, and UCON is $2.3m, for 2020.

What did JMU negotiate with UNC?

(07-22-2020 05:57 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  UMASS negotiated $1.9m guarantee for game against Auburn in 2020.

Arkansas State was set to receive $1.8m for a game against Michigan.

Portland State was guaranteed $900k for games against Arizona and Oregon State.

Total guarantee game revenue to UMASS is $3.3m, and UCON is $2.3m, for 2020.

What did JMU negotiate with UNC?

Dukeman2 curious what does North Dakota State get for their guaranteed games?