It seems we might have taken a play out of your book. We signed 21 last year and 17 are now redshirt freshman. We also redshirted two sophomores and a junior. We've never redshirted that much from a single class in a given year. Do you believe they had a huge impact on your team or is that being oversold?

It will have the biggest impact when you start having large classes of RS SRs.

Don't ever underestimate that extra year. Think of how many SRs have graduated (maybe even came out of no where SR year) and you think " I would love to have him for just one more year."

I wonder as more kids graduate on time, if that will begin to backfire more often when a really productive kid has one year of eligibility remaining. It would seem especially problematic if the program has a coaching change or is trending in a downward direction.

Some players clearly benefit from that redshirt year. In our offense, we've only had a handful of OL come in and start as true freshmen ... and that has generally occurred when we were between transitions on scheme a few times or when we have had to because of recruiting lapses and attrition.

(06-05-2016 05:18 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  I wonder as more kids graduate on time, if that will begin to backfire more often when a really productive kid has one year of eligibility remaining. It would seem especially problematic if the program has a coaching change or is trending in a downward direction.

Some players clearly benefit from that redshirt year. In our offense, we've only had a handful of OL come in and start as true freshmen ... and that has generally occurred when we were between transitions on scheme a few times or when we have had to because of recruiting lapses and attrition.

We lost (at least) 2 this year that graduated last month and decided to get on with life instead of playing one more year.

To me anytime you can redshirt a certain percentage of your freshman class, I think it pays dividends down the road, as long as the kids take a positive attitude about sitting and just learning for a year. I guess there is no right or wrong way how a school handles its freshman, some schools such as Ohio State, hates to redshirt kids, Myers attitude is if a kid isn't ready almost immediately, then maybe Ohio State is right for them. App has always reshirted kids, its has always worked for us, and almost every year we are going to reshirt a certain percentage.

I'm pretty sure App redshirted John Law twice. That dude has been playing forever.

(06-05-2016 05:29 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:18 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  I wonder as more kids graduate on time, if that will begin to backfire more often when a really productive kid has one year of eligibility remaining. It would seem especially problematic if the program has a coaching change or is trending in a downward direction.

Some players clearly benefit from that redshirt year. In our offense, we've only had a handful of OL come in and start as true freshmen ... and that has generally occurred when we were between transitions on scheme a few times or when we have had to because of recruiting lapses and attrition.

We lost (at least) 2 this year that graduated last month and decided to get on with life instead of playing one more year.

We've had a couple do that recently, but they weren't significant contributors. If they are a major player, they typically just start working on a grad degree. Of course you may run into one of those players that now thinks they are too good for you and become a grad transfer.

(06-05-2016 10:41 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:29 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 05:18 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  I wonder as more kids graduate on time, if that will begin to backfire more often when a really productive kid has one year of eligibility remaining. It would seem especially problematic if the program has a coaching change or is trending in a downward direction.

Some players clearly benefit from that redshirt year. In our offense, we've only had a handful of OL come in and start as true freshmen ... and that has generally occurred when we were between transitions on scheme a few times or when we have had to because of recruiting lapses and attrition.

We lost (at least) 2 this year that graduated last month and decided to get on with life instead of playing one more year.

We've had a couple do that recently, but they weren't significant contributors. If they are a major player, they typically just start working on a grad degree. Of course you may run into one of those players that now thinks they are too good for you and become a grad transfer.

Yeah, one would be a starting OL (experienced) and another a non system fitting DE that saw limited action.

(06-05-2016 04:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  It seems we might have taken a play out of your book. We signed 21 last year and 17 are now redshirt freshman. We also redshirted two sophomores and a junior. We've never redshirted that much from a single class in a given year. Do you believe they had a huge impact on your team or is that being oversold?

It was necessary to redshirt a lot of players to balance out the classes with the FBS move. We had players redshirt in 2013 that would have helped us because it was a lame duck year.

We haven't had any big contributors who were redshirt juniors graduate and forego their final season with the exception of Dada.

Out of the 17 rising juniors who have been at App the entire time, 10 of them redshirted and one of those was medical.

(06-05-2016 10:05 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure App redshirted John Law twice. That dude has been playing forever.

(06-05-2016 04:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  It seems we might have taken a play out of your book. We signed 21 last year and 17 are now redshirt freshman. We also redshirted two sophomores and a junior. We've never redshirted that much from a single class in a given year. Do you believe they had a huge impact on your team or is that being oversold?

Red shirting freshmen is the only way to go and surprised you guys have just gotten on the bandwagon in a big way. If AState played more than a couple per year, I would be very disappointed.

(06-06-2016 06:22 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 04:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  It seems we might have taken a play out of your book. We signed 21 last year and 17 are now redshirt freshman. We also redshirted two sophomores and a junior. We've never redshirted that much from a single class in a given year. Do you believe they had a huge impact on your team or is that being oversold?

Red shirting freshmen is the only way to go and surprised you guys have just gotten on the bandwagon in a big way. If AState played more than a couple per year, I would be very disappointed.

I guess you are going to be continually disappointed since a couple means 2.

True Freshmen who contributed last year for the Red Wolves:

Warren Wand
Griffin Riggs
Justin Clifton
Donovan Ransom
Chauncey Mason

If having freshmen play helps us recruit better players then turn the ones who can play loose.

(06-06-2016 06:53 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:22 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 04:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  It seems we might have taken a play out of your book. We signed 21 last year and 17 are now redshirt freshman. We also redshirted two sophomores and a junior. We've never redshirted that much from a single class in a given year. Do you believe they had a huge impact on your team or is that being oversold?

Red shirting freshmen is the only way to go and surprised you guys have just gotten on the bandwagon in a big way. If AState played more than a couple per year, I would be very disappointed.

I guess you are going to be continually disappointed since a couple means 2.

True Freshmen who contributed last year for the Red Wolves:

Warren Wand
Griffin Riggs
Justin Clifton
Donovan Ransom
Chauncey Mason

If having freshmen play helps us recruit better players then turn the ones who can play loose.

So we played five, now tell us how many five year seniors are on the team. The larger point is AState and most others will red shirt most of the freshmen as only a few are ready for FBS football. Five year seniors are a big deal.

(06-06-2016 02:05 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:53 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:22 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 04:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  It seems we might have taken a play out of your book. We signed 21 last year and 17 are now redshirt freshman. We also redshirted two sophomores and a junior. We've never redshirted that much from a single class in a given year. Do you believe they had a huge impact on your team or is that being oversold?

Red shirting freshmen is the only way to go and surprised you guys have just gotten on the bandwagon in a big way. If AState played more than a couple per year, I would be very disappointed.

I guess you are going to be continually disappointed since a couple means 2.

True Freshmen who contributed last year for the Red Wolves:

Warren Wand
Griffin Riggs
Justin Clifton
Donovan Ransom
Chauncey Mason

If having freshmen play helps us recruit better players then turn the ones who can play loose.

So we played five, now tell us how many five year seniors are on the team. The larger point is AState and most others will red shirt most of the freshmen as only a few are ready for FBS football. Five year seniors are a big deal.

I would imagine it is helpful in recruiting to look a kid in the eye and tell him that at stAte we aren't afraid to start freshmen if they are ready - and citing examples of effective freshmen would be a good selling point. It is all about talent, whoever can help improve the team now. Who knows who will be coaching the Red Wolves in 5 years. If Anderson still is then he will have sucked and failed.

Also think there is more injury flexibility for guys who play as true freshman and are injured and miss half the season at some point.

Anderson isn't going to redshirt guys who can help the team now if they have opportunity for meaningful playing time. And if we are improving our recruiting as the program grows, that's a good thing.

http://www.astateredwolves.com/SportSele...PSID=35789

Clark, Moreton, Mondie, Jackson are OL RSrs

Humes is a RSr who played as a true freshman, but later got injured and used his RS year in a more meaningful way.

RSr Quanterio Heath is a LB who has improved, but may never be a starter.

Darrius Rosser is a DL RSr who will contribute if not start.

Warren Leapheart is a RSr who should start at TE, and probably benefited from the extra year because he was a WR.

The rest are special teams guys or far down the depth chart.

Curiosity got me so I checked our roster, we have exactly 1 RS Senior. 0 sophomores or Juniors and 13 RS Freshman. Way too many JUCOs that Fran used to fill holes and not build from within. Withers is really working with a bare cupboard.

(06-06-2016 06:10 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 02:05 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:53 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:22 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(06-05-2016 04:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  It seems we might have taken a play out of your book. We signed 21 last year and 17 are now redshirt freshman. We also redshirted two sophomores and a junior. We've never redshirted that much from a single class in a given year. Do you believe they had a huge impact on your team or is that being oversold?

Red shirting freshmen is the only way to go and surprised you guys have just gotten on the bandwagon in a big way. If AState played more than a couple per year, I would be very disappointed.

I guess you are going to be continually disappointed since a couple means 2.

True Freshmen who contributed last year for the Red Wolves:

Warren Wand
Griffin Riggs
Justin Clifton
Donovan Ransom
Chauncey Mason

If having freshmen play helps us recruit better players then turn the ones who can play loose.

So we played five, now tell us how many five year seniors are on the team. The larger point is AState and most others will red shirt most of the freshmen as only a few are ready for FBS football. Five year seniors are a big deal.

I would imagine it is helpful in recruiting to look a kid in the eye and tell him that at stAte we aren't afraid to start freshmen if they are ready - and citing examples of effective freshmen would be a good selling point. It is all about talent, whoever can help improve the team now. Who knows who will be coaching the Red Wolves in 5 years. If Anderson still is then he will have sucked and failed.

Also think there is more injury flexibility for guys who play as true freshman and are injured and miss half the season at some point.

Anderson isn't going to redshirt guys who can help the team now if they have opportunity for meaningful playing time. And if we are improving our recruiting as the program grows, that's a good thing.

http://www.astateredwolves.com/SportSele...PSID=35789

Clark, Moreton, Mondie, Jackson are OL RSrs

Humes is a RSr who played as a true freshman, but later got injured and used his RS year in a more meaningful way.

RSr Quanterio Heath is a LB who has improved, but may never be a starter.

Darrius Rosser is a DL RSr who will contribute if not start.

Warren Leapheart is a RSr who should start at TE, and probably benefited from the extra year because he was a WR.

The rest are special teams guys or far down the depth chart.

It is not about playing freshmen. Most schools will play freshmen IF they are READY to play. Few are and thats the point. In this case you red shirt them and hope for a five year senior.

(06-05-2016 10:05 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  I'm pretty sure App redshirted John Law twice. That dude has been playing forever.

Redshirt & Medical Redshirt, so you are correct.

App has been redshirting freshmen for as long as I can remember. Even as an FCS program.

We are about to have 6 RS SRs, 16 RS JRs, 15 RS SOs on the team.

I'm not sure about RS FR as our roster hasn't been updated so I'm not sure who we redshirted last season. Doc started really putting a focus on redshirting a few years ago as you can tell. This SR class is still one of his first classes he recruited. So he played a lot of young guys to establish his style of play. Now that he has the program established he said we needed to RS guys to take that next step.

Like you guys have said though. Have to hope these guys stick it out for the long term and buy into the system. We haven't been doing it long enough to really find out. This would be our first season of reaping those benefits.

http://www.herdzone.com/sports/m-footbl/...l-mtt.html


Click on "Clas/Exp" and it will sort the roster by class for easier viewing.