(06-03-2016 08:36 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:56 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:50 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:58 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NCAA doesn't count home field as last at bats, it counts whoever is literally playing on their home field, and has home crowd. It wouldn't be fair to Little ROck for you guys to get credit for a road win in front of your home fans.

That wasn't really his argument. His original argument is that it's not fair for us not to get credit for the 3 wins.....period. Of course away wins would be better, but they didn't give us any wins. This didn't create a drastic difference in RPI, but every spot matters when you're on the bubble.

He was simply stating that getting to bat last is an advantage, I agree. Knowing that you will have the chance to tie the game or win, is important. It's very important for coaches to know if they need 1 run or 4 if you bat last, especially for a team that plays small ball as much as we do. You wouldn't sac bunt if you needed 4 runs, but if you only need 1, that changes strategy. I assume that was why he said batting last is an advantage. I don't really see a crowd advantage. Not many D1 baseball players will be rattled by a few thousand fans making funny sounds. It isn't like football or basketball where it affects their ability to call plays. I guess it increases confidence and excitement for your team.

Again, do you honestly believe the NCAA didn't credit those wins?

From what they show on their website, yes.

That's interesting. The selection Nitty Gritty Report shows USA with a 40-20 overall record. It shows them with a 10-9 road record. USA's own schedule page shows them with a 40-20 overall record and a 10-9 road record. Guess that means USA's website is wrong too?

Game. Set. Match.

(06-03-2016 08:36 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:56 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:50 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:58 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NCAA doesn't count home field as last at bats, it counts whoever is literally playing on their home field, and has home crowd. It wouldn't be fair to Little ROck for you guys to get credit for a road win in front of your home fans.

That wasn't really his argument. His original argument is that it's not fair for us not to get credit for the 3 wins.....period. Of course away wins would be better, but they didn't give us any wins. This didn't create a drastic difference in RPI, but every spot matters when you're on the bubble.

He was simply stating that getting to bat last is an advantage, I agree. Knowing that you will have the chance to tie the game or win, is important. It's very important for coaches to know if they need 1 run or 4 if you bat last, especially for a team that plays small ball as much as we do. You wouldn't sac bunt if you needed 4 runs, but if you only need 1, that changes strategy. I assume that was why he said batting last is an advantage. I don't really see a crowd advantage. Not many D1 baseball players will be rattled by a few thousand fans making funny sounds. It isn't like football or basketball where it affects their ability to call plays. I guess it increases confidence and excitement for your team.

Again, do you honestly believe the NCAA didn't credit those wins?

From what they show on their website, yes.

That's interesting. The selection Nitty Gritty Report shows USA with a 40-20 overall record. It shows them with a 10-9 road record. Looking at USA's own schedule page, it shows them with a 40-20 overall record and a 10-9 road record, which does not include UALR as road games. It counts them as home games, as they should be counted.. Guess that means USA's website is wrong too? USA's team sheet also has them playing 18 conference home games and 12 conference road games.

That report also shows USA as the #49 RPI, which matches Boyd's World. So apparently the posted NCAA posted RPI's did not reflect those games at all, which was the original point.

(06-03-2016 08:44 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:36 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:56 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:50 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:58 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  That wasn't really his argument. His original argument is that it's not fair for us not to get credit for the 3 wins.....period. Of course away wins would be better, but they didn't give us any wins. This didn't create a drastic difference in RPI, but every spot matters when you're on the bubble.

He was simply stating that getting to bat last is an advantage, I agree. Knowing that you will have the chance to tie the game or win, is important. It's very important for coaches to know if they need 1 run or 4 if you bat last, especially for a team that plays small ball as much as we do. You wouldn't sac bunt if you needed 4 runs, but if you only need 1, that changes strategy. I assume that was why he said batting last is an advantage. I don't really see a crowd advantage. Not many D1 baseball players will be rattled by a few thousand fans making funny sounds. It isn't like football or basketball where it affects their ability to call plays. I guess it increases confidence and excitement for your team.

Again, do you honestly believe the NCAA didn't credit those wins?

From what they show on their website, yes.

That's interesting. The selection Nitty Gritty Report shows USA with a 40-20 overall record. It shows them with a 10-9 road record. Looking at USA's own schedule page, it shows them with a 40-20 overall record and a 10-9 road record, which does not include UALR as road games. It counts them as home games, as they should be counted.. Guess that means USA's website is wrong too? USA's team sheet also has them playing 18 conference home games and 12 conference road games.

That report also shows USA as the #49 RPI, which matches Boyd's World. So apparently the posted NCAA posted RPI's did not reflect those games at all, which was the original point.

I'm wondering if maybe the conference tournament games caused the adjustment from #49 to #50 as it shows currently?

(06-03-2016 08:44 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:36 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:56 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:50 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:58 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  That wasn't really his argument. His original argument is that it's not fair for us not to get credit for the 3 wins.....period. Of course away wins would be better, but they didn't give us any wins. This didn't create a drastic difference in RPI, but every spot matters when you're on the bubble.

He was simply stating that getting to bat last is an advantage, I agree. Knowing that you will have the chance to tie the game or win, is important. It's very important for coaches to know if they need 1 run or 4 if you bat last, especially for a team that plays small ball as much as we do. You wouldn't sac bunt if you needed 4 runs, but if you only need 1, that changes strategy. I assume that was why he said batting last is an advantage. I don't really see a crowd advantage. Not many D1 baseball players will be rattled by a few thousand fans making funny sounds. It isn't like football or basketball where it affects their ability to call plays. I guess it increases confidence and excitement for your team.

Again, do you honestly believe the NCAA didn't credit those wins?

From what they show on their website, yes.

That's interesting. The selection Nitty Gritty Report shows USA with a 40-20 overall record. It shows them with a 10-9 road record. Looking at USA's own schedule page, it shows them with a 40-20 overall record and a 10-9 road record, which does not include UALR as road games. It counts them as home games, as they should be counted.. Guess that means USA's website is wrong too? USA's team sheet also has them playing 18 conference home games and 12 conference road games.

That report also shows USA as the #49 RPI, which matches Boyd's World. So apparently the posted NCAA posted RPI's did not reflect those games at all, which was the original point.

Which posted NCAA RPI's are you talking about? I just posted the actual NCAA RPI sheets used by the selection committee. How can you say that the posted RPI's do not reflect the games when your own website credits them and matches the NCAA RPI record.

(06-03-2016 08:36 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:56 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:50 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:58 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  NCAA doesn't count home field as last at bats, it counts whoever is literally playing on their home field, and has home crowd. It wouldn't be fair to Little ROck for you guys to get credit for a road win in front of your home fans.

That wasn't really his argument. His original argument is that it's not fair for us not to get credit for the 3 wins.....period. Of course away wins would be better, but they didn't give us any wins. This didn't create a drastic difference in RPI, but every spot matters when you're on the bubble.

He was simply stating that getting to bat last is an advantage, I agree. Knowing that you will have the chance to tie the game or win, is important. It's very important for coaches to know if they need 1 run or 4 if you bat last, especially for a team that plays small ball as much as we do. You wouldn't sac bunt if you needed 4 runs, but if you only need 1, that changes strategy. I assume that was why he said batting last is an advantage. I don't really see a crowd advantage. Not many D1 baseball players will be rattled by a few thousand fans making funny sounds. It isn't like football or basketball where it affects their ability to call plays. I guess it increases confidence and excitement for your team.

Again, do you honestly believe the NCAA didn't credit those wins?

From what they show on their website, yes.

That's interesting. The selection Nitty Gritty Report shows USA with a 40-20 overall record. It shows them with a 10-9 road record. Looking at USA's own schedule page, it shows them with a 40-20 overall record and a 10-9 road record, which does not include UALR as road games. It counts them as home games, as they should be counted.. Guess that means USA's website is wrong too? USA's team sheet also has them playing 18 conference home games and 12 conference road games.

Thanks for linking the Nitty Gritty Report. It's great to finally see some detail in their system.
SEMO took a big hit between that and the posted RPI, falling from 45 to 54.
Troy moved from 90 to 91. As far as I can tell, no other SBC teams moved.

(06-03-2016 08:49 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:44 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:36 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:56 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:50 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Again, do you honestly believe the NCAA didn't credit those wins?

From what they show on their website, yes.

That's interesting. The selection Nitty Gritty Report shows USA with a 40-20 overall record. It shows them with a 10-9 road record. Looking at USA's own schedule page, it shows them with a 40-20 overall record and a 10-9 road record, which does not include UALR as road games. It counts them as home games, as they should be counted.. Guess that means USA's website is wrong too? USA's team sheet also has them playing 18 conference home games and 12 conference road games.

That report also shows USA as the #49 RPI, which matches Boyd's World. So apparently the posted NCAA posted RPI's did not reflect those games at all, which was the original point.

Which posted NCAA RPI's are you talking about? I just posted the actual NCAA RPI sheets used by the selection committee. How can you say that the posted RPI's do not reflect the games when your own website credits them and matches the NCAA RPI record.

This - http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1/rpi

It's the rating the twitterverse has been using to bash the USA selection with.

(06-03-2016 08:48 AM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:44 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:36 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:56 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:50 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Again, do you honestly believe the NCAA didn't credit those wins?

From what they show on their website, yes.

That's interesting. The selection Nitty Gritty Report shows USA with a 40-20 overall record. It shows them with a 10-9 road record. Looking at USA's own schedule page, it shows them with a 40-20 overall record and a 10-9 road record, which does not include UALR as road games. It counts them as home games, as they should be counted.. Guess that means USA's website is wrong too? USA's team sheet also has them playing 18 conference home games and 12 conference road games.

That report also shows USA as the #49 RPI, which matches Boyd's World. So apparently the posted NCAA posted RPI's did not reflect those games at all, which was the original point.

I'm wondering if maybe the conference tournament games caused the adjustment from #49 to #50 as it shows currently?

They both say updated on the 29th, but the Nitty Gritty says 11:48pm, so I would guess it is the one with complete final records.

(06-03-2016 08:55 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:36 AM)Cajunman02 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:56 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:50 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 04:58 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  That wasn't really his argument. His original argument is that it's not fair for us not to get credit for the 3 wins.....period. Of course away wins would be better, but they didn't give us any wins. This didn't create a drastic difference in RPI, but every spot matters when you're on the bubble.

He was simply stating that getting to bat last is an advantage, I agree. Knowing that you will have the chance to tie the game or win, is important. It's very important for coaches to know if they need 1 run or 4 if you bat last, especially for a team that plays small ball as much as we do. You wouldn't sac bunt if you needed 4 runs, but if you only need 1, that changes strategy. I assume that was why he said batting last is an advantage. I don't really see a crowd advantage. Not many D1 baseball players will be rattled by a few thousand fans making funny sounds. It isn't like football or basketball where it affects their ability to call plays. I guess it increases confidence and excitement for your team.

Again, do you honestly believe the NCAA didn't credit those wins?

From what they show on their website, yes.

That's interesting. The selection Nitty Gritty Report shows USA with a 40-20 overall record. It shows them with a 10-9 road record. Looking at USA's own schedule page, it shows them with a 40-20 overall record and a 10-9 road record, which does not include UALR as road games. It counts them as home games, as they should be counted.. Guess that means USA's website is wrong too? USA's team sheet also has them playing 18 conference home games and 12 conference road games.

Thanks for linking the Nitty Gritty Report. It's great to finally see some detail in their system.
SEMO took a big hit between that and the posted RPI, falling from 45 to 54.
Troy moved from 90 to 91. As far as I can tell, no other SBC teams moved.

Correction, App State leaped from 240 to 239.

Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

I recommend bookmarking the RPI Archive site for future use. They put out weekly reports (team sheets and nitty gritty) that are really good info if you track things like that.

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/default.aspx

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

No it's not ... it's the difference between 49 and 50.

(06-03-2016 11:28 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

No it's not ... it's the difference between 49 and 50.

Ok. Whatever makes you feel good.

(06-03-2016 11:37 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:28 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

No it's not ... it's the difference between 49 and 50.

Ok. Whatever makes you feel good.

That's what you guys are doing to defend the selection to let South in.

(06-03-2016 11:40 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:37 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:28 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

No it's not ... it's the difference between 49 and 50.

Ok. Whatever makes you feel good.

That's what you guys are doing to defend the selection to let South in.

Ok. Go troll someone else.

(06-03-2016 11:03 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

I recommend bookmarking the RPI Archive site for future use. They put out weekly reports (team sheets and nitty gritty) that are really good info if you track things like that.

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/default.aspx

Appreciate it. I will do that.

(06-03-2016 11:28 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

No it's not ... it's the difference between 49 and 50.

I suppose that's why prices in the supermarket never end in a 9?

(06-03-2016 11:28 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

No it's not ... it's the difference between 49 and 50.

51 and 50 in RPI is a huge difference so do not tell me 1 spot up does not matter

(06-03-2016 12:26 PM)Cajun_lannister Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:28 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

No it's not ... it's the difference between 49 and 50.

51 and 50 in RPI is a huge difference so do not tell me 1 spot up does not matter

Sure, one spot matters. But to say that the difference between 49 and 50 is more substantial because of the sigma of the 40s and 50s is ridiculous

(06-03-2016 12:19 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:28 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:13 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  Here's the detailed team sheets as well. South Alabama is #49. This is the report as of selection. Lists every game and the LR ones are a South Alabama home series:

https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Libr...16Team.pdf

The NCAA site has been known to be listed incorrectly. There was a time this year where their "as of date" and the rankings did not match the current because those require someone to go in and update. The Nitty Gritty and Team sheets are what the committee use.

Thanks. Wish we'd seen this a few days ago when UNC and Oregon state fans were ripping Joel Erdmann for using his influence to unfairly get #50 USA in the tournament. It's only one spot, but the perception of being in the 40s versus the 50's is pretty significant.

No it's not ... it's the difference between 49 and 50.

I suppose that's why prices in the supermarket never end in a 9?

Great analogy ... comparing prices in a supermarket to the difference in RPI