(05-29-2016 04:27 PM)theboro Wrote:  If AState was offered membership in CUSA they would take it.
If ULL was offered membership in CUSA they would take it.
If either Georgia School was offered, they would take it.

I don't care what the reasons are. Even if it's prisoner's dilemma, the schools would move.

That's the only valuation between the two conferences you need.

Sure thing sport.
I've seen no evidence that AState's leadership will suddenly crap its pants and be so utterly stupid as to shell out $2 million to leave the Sun Belt and $2 million to join CUSA to get less money per year because any halfwit can do the math and see that the money is less when you look at CFP+NCAA+TV.

(05-29-2016 06:07 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  As usual, it looks like it's up to me to bring some solid reasoning into the conversation. It's really very simple. If your school is a member of a G5 conference, it is automatically entered into the NCAA's new Tallest Midget Contest, or perhaps a better name for it would be the Not The Shortest Midget Contest. As a participant, you are required to spend endless hours attempting to dig up any dirt you possibly can about any school in an opposing G5 conference. Meanwhile, your team will compete for a spot in one of the bowl games that nobody but your own fan base cares a thing about.

As those things are happening, the nation's TV networks are investing their full attention and money to the P5 conferences. But enough about those guys. What's important is to never be thought of as the shortest midget!

Basically true....just funny that it comes from the fanbase that touts the "separation" mantra.

(05-29-2016 04:45 PM)theboro Wrote:  You would move. Because if you didn't , UL would.

If you passed up every year games with LaTech and Southern Miss, regular games with MT and WKU and lost the biggest rival you have left in the league, your fans would revolt.

Not to mention, if the SBC was such a strong football league, it's champ wouldn't have gotten murdered by the 4th place team from CUSA.

Weak sauce all around. Yeah we played the game about the bulldongs at 100% other than starting RB, starting A back, a starting WR, and starting DE who played in our 12th game but either did not play vs Tech or went out in the first half.

You made the big time your pathetic need for validation here speaks volumes about whether YOU believe you made it. You are liar when you say you like CUSA and think it is better because you make it lie with your belief you need to defend it.

(05-29-2016 06:07 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  As usual, it looks like it's up to me to bring some solid reasoning into the conversation. It's really very simple. If your school is a member of a G5 conference, it is automatically entered into the NCAA's new Tallest Midget Contest, or perhaps a better name for it would be the Not The Shortest Midget Contest. As a participant, you are required to spend endless hours attempting to dig up any dirt you possibly can about any school in an opposing G5 conference. Meanwhile, your team will compete for a spot in one of the bowl games that nobody but your own fan base cares a thing about.

As those things are happening, the nation's TV networks are investing their full attention and money to the P5 conferences. But enough about those guys. What's important is to never be thought of as the shortest midget!

Thing is when CUSA 3.x came into being we were all informed that the proof CUSA wasn't the shortest midget was because of its TV, its hoops money/respect, its bowl games, and overall money.

TV, CUSA is fourth of five just nudging out Sun Belt, point CUSA.
Hoops, the leagues have produced identical NCAA units since CUSA 3.x launched. Tie
Bowls. Now five a piece with Tucson moving from CUSA to Sun Belt but two of five CUSA bowls cannot be reached except by boat or airplane, all SBC bowls but Tucson are driving distance of the membership. Edge Sun Belt.
Once the Memphis money finally falls off, Sun Belt schools will take home more money from the conference than CUSA schools. In 'Merica money is supposed to be how we keep score of such things.

(05-29-2016 06:26 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-29-2016 06:07 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  As usual, it looks like it's up to me to bring some solid reasoning into the conversation. It's really very simple. If your school is a member of a G5 conference, it is automatically entered into the NCAA's new Tallest Midget Contest, or perhaps a better name for it would be the Not The Shortest Midget Contest. As a participant, you are required to spend endless hours attempting to dig up any dirt you possibly can about any school in an opposing G5 conference. Meanwhile, your team will compete for a spot in one of the bowl games that nobody but your own fan base cares a thing about.

As those things are happening, the nation's TV networks are investing their full attention and money to the P5 conferences. But enough about those guys. What's important is to never be thought of as the shortest midget!

Thing is when CUSA 3.x came into being we were all informed that the proof CUSA wasn't the shortest midget was because of its TV, its hoops money/respect, its bowl games, and overall money.

TV, CUSA is fourth of five just nudging out Sun Belt, point CUSA.
Hoops, the leagues have produced identical NCAA units since CUSA 3.x launched. Tie
Bowls. Now five a piece with Tucson moving from CUSA to Sun Belt but two of five CUSA bowls cannot be reached except by boat or airplane, all SBC bowls but Tucson are driving distance of the membership. Edge Sun Belt.
Once the Memphis money finally falls off, Sun Belt schools will take home more money from the conference than CUSA schools. In 'Merica money is supposed to be how we keep score of such things.

No standing on tip toes!

(05-29-2016 06:07 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  As usual, it looks like it's up to me to bring some solid reasoning into the conversation. It's really very simple. If your school is a member of a G5 conference, it is automatically entered into the NCAA's new Tallest Midget Contest, or perhaps a better name for it would be the Not The Shortest Midget Contest. As a participant, you are required to spend endless hours attempting to dig up any dirt you possibly can about any school in an opposing G5 conference. Meanwhile, your team will compete for a spot in one of the bowl games that nobody but your own fan base cares a thing about.

As those things are happening, the nation's TV networks are investing their full attention and money to the P5 conferences. But enough about those guys. What's important is to never be thought of as the shortest midget!

Specious argument.CUSA was devalued regardless of chord cutting. This is a conference evaluation and Cusa no longer has the juice to justify it's past price tag.

I actually think Sun Belt will eventually be valued higher than CUSA.

Remind me again how many SBC threads there are on the CUSA board?

(05-29-2016 07:51 PM)theboro Wrote:  Remind me again how many SBC threads there are on the CUSA board?

So, your first ridiculous argument didn't work, so now you've resorted to "Well we don't talk about you guys on our board"?

Gotcha

(05-29-2016 07:51 PM)theboro Wrote:  Remind me again how many SBC threads there are on the CUSA board?

Sounds like a place you'd like better. Why not head on over there and check it out?

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(05-29-2016 07:51 PM)theboro Wrote:  Remind me again how many SBC threads there are on the CUSA board?

Guarantee someone will start a thread about our TV contract when the time comes.

(05-30-2016 02:20 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-29-2016 07:51 PM)theboro Wrote:  Remind me again how many SBC threads there are on the CUSA board?

Guarantee someone will start a thread about our TV contract when the time comes.

In reality, SBC members have absolutely no room to talk smack about TV money to anybody. CUSA's TV contract has decreased, but it's still higher than any contract the SBC has ever gotten. When put into that perspective, it shows just how bad things have been for the SBC as far as TV money goes.

TV contracts are part of the midget contest though, so I totally understand the cheers of delight from SBC fans over the misfortunes of CUSA. We'd do the same thing to you guys if your TV money ever got lowered, but since Sun Belt TV money CAN'T POSSIBLY get any lower than what it is, I guess you guys are safe from that.

Are you going to have a cake sale to make up the $900,000 or so loss in revenue to your budget?

(05-30-2016 05:01 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 02:20 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-29-2016 07:51 PM)theboro Wrote:  Remind me again how many SBC threads there are on the CUSA board?

Guarantee someone will start a thread about our TV contract when the time comes.

In reality, SBC members have absolutely no room to talk smack about TV money to anybody. CUSA's TV contract has decreased, but it's still higher than any contract the SBC has ever gotten. When put into that perspective, it shows just how bad things have been for the SBC as far as TV money goes.

TV contracts are part of the midget contest though, so I totally understand the cheers of delight from SBC fans over the misfortunes of CUSA. We'd do the same thing to you guys if your TV money ever got lowered, but since Sun Belt TV money CAN'T POSSIBLY get any lower than what it is, I guess you guys are safe from that.

You guys just don't get it. This isn't about talking smack or celebrating CUSA's huge loss of TV dollars, which we do. It's about seeing you guys forced into a harsh reality that the letters C-U-S-A have no real value. The value was in the schools who left. It all boils down to the fact CUSA and the Sunbelt are equals in the sight of the college football world. CUSA may get a few more dollars from a TV contract, but the per school take is pretty much the same. At the end of the day that's all that really matters.

(05-30-2016 08:21 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 05:01 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 02:20 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-29-2016 07:51 PM)theboro Wrote:  Remind me again how many SBC threads there are on the CUSA board?

Guarantee someone will start a thread about our TV contract when the time comes.

In reality, SBC members have absolutely no room to talk smack about TV money to anybody. CUSA's TV contract has decreased, but it's still higher than any contract the SBC has ever gotten. When put into that perspective, it shows just how bad things have been for the SBC as far as TV money goes.

TV contracts are part of the midget contest though, so I totally understand the cheers of delight from SBC fans over the misfortunes of CUSA. We'd do the same thing to you guys if your TV money ever got lowered, but since Sun Belt TV money CAN'T POSSIBLY get any lower than what it is, I guess you guys are safe from that.

You guys just don't get it. This isn't about talking smack or celebrating CUSA's huge loss of TV dollars, which we do. It's about seeing you guys forced into a harsh reality that the letters C-U-S-A have no real value. The value was in the schools who left. It all boils down to the fact CUSA and the Sunbelt are equals in the sight of the college football world. CUSA may get a few more dollars from a TV contract, but the per school take is pretty much the same. At the end of the day that's all that really matters.

And even with that said, 99% of schools in the sunbelt would accept a cusa invite, including yours.

I'd love to see all the posts from Western fans saying we made the move for 'the tv dollas'. There's a search function so go ahead and show me.

The majority of Western fans (on our home board) were excited because in their minds CUSA had a better perception.

I argued that the football leagues were similar and it would be harder to win the conference in basketball in a currently one bid conference. Wasn't sure there was a win in that scenario. But I was still for the move.

I do know that in our first 2 years in the conference we've had a team ranked in the top 25. I do know that I don't ever remember a Sun Belt team being ranked in the top 25. Are the teams that got ranked simply that much better than the best the sun belt has? Or is there still some 'perception' that CUSA is better? Even if it's a lingering perception from the previous version of CUSA.

The majority of Western fans were excited because they believed that CUSA could be a better basketball conference. It also reunited us with UAB, ODU, Charlotte, and Middle in hoops. The first 3 longtime hoops rivals from the previous sun belt and the latter a rival period.

Last year was a pisspoor year in hoops. But there have been coaching changes made at some places and I believe there are more teams in CUSA that do care about hoops than there are in the Sun Belt. Does 'caring about hoops' translate into multiple bids? Not so far but I believe there is potential.

I do believe there are some teams in the Sun Belt that would more than likely move to CUSA if given the chance. I'm not so sure Arky State is one. They've carved out football success on their own. Probably content where they are and the exit/entrance fees don't justify the move.

Conversely, I don't believe there'd be too many teams currently in CUSA that would move to the Sun Belt.

This is not me spinning. We weren't a market. I heard it from CUSA schools when we moved in. We don't really move the TV dial. We did get some pretty good publicity last year for our football success. 12-2 and a top 25 ranking. Not sure if we would have been ranked if we were still in the Sun Belt. Not sure how that translates into dollars but Head Coach Jeff Brohm's name became pretty well known as did Brandon Doughty's. We just have to continue building on Western Kentucky. But then again every school at this level needs to worry about that more than G5 message board smack.

(05-30-2016 08:58 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 08:21 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 05:01 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 02:20 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-29-2016 07:51 PM)theboro Wrote:  Remind me again how many SBC threads there are on the CUSA board?

Guarantee someone will start a thread about our TV contract when the time comes.

In reality, SBC members have absolutely no room to talk smack about TV money to anybody. CUSA's TV contract has decreased, but it's still higher than any contract the SBC has ever gotten. When put into that perspective, it shows just how bad things have been for the SBC as far as TV money goes.

TV contracts are part of the midget contest though, so I totally understand the cheers of delight from SBC fans over the misfortunes of CUSA. We'd do the same thing to you guys if your TV money ever got lowered, but since Sun Belt TV money CAN'T POSSIBLY get any lower than what it is, I guess you guys are safe from that.

You guys just don't get it. This isn't about talking smack or celebrating CUSA's huge loss of TV dollars, which we do. It's about seeing you guys forced into a harsh reality that the letters C-U-S-A have no real value. The value was in the schools who left. It all boils down to the fact CUSA and the Sunbelt are equals in the sight of the college football world. CUSA may get a few more dollars from a TV contract, but the per school take is pretty much the same. At the end of the day that's all that really matters.

And even with that said, 99% of schools in the sunbelt would accept a cusa invite, including yours.

Nope. And I am the guy who 12 months ago was saying Yep. The prevailing wisdom a year ago and more was that there was no path from SBC to AAC but through CUSA. That does not seem to be the case anymore.

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(05-30-2016 09:10 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  I'd love to see all the posts from Western fans saying we made the move for 'the tv dollas'. There's a search function so go ahead and show me.

The majority of Western fans (on our home board) were excited because in their minds CUSA had a better perception.

I argued that the football leagues were similar and it would be harder to win the conference in basketball in a currently one bid conference. Wasn't sure there was a win in that scenario. But I was still for the move.

I do know that in our first 2 years in the conference we've had a team ranked in the top 25. I do know that I don't ever remember a Sun Belt team being ranked in the top 25. Are the teams that got ranked simply that much better than the best the sun belt has? Or is there still some 'perception' that CUSA is better? Even if it's a lingering perception from the previous version of CUSA.

The majority of Western fans were excited because they believed that CUSA could be a better basketball conference. It also reunited us with UAB, ODU, Charlotte, and Middle in hoops. The first 3 longtime hoops rivals from the previous sun belt and the latter a rival period.

Last year was a pisspoor year in hoops. But there have been coaching changes made at some places and I believe there are more teams in CUSA that do care about hoops than there are in the Sun Belt. Does 'caring about hoops' translate into multiple bids? Not so far but I believe there is potential.

I do believe there are some teams in the Sun Belt that would more than likely move to CUSA if given the chance. I'm not so sure Arky State is one. They've carved out football success on their own. Probably content where they are and the exit/entrance fees don't justify the move.

Conversely, I don't believe there'd be too many teams currently in CUSA that would move to the Sun Belt.

This is not me spinning. We weren't a market. I heard it from CUSA schools when we moved in. We don't really move the TV dial. We did get some pretty good publicity last year for our football success. 12-2 and a top 25 ranking. Not sure if we would have been ranked if we were still in the Sun Belt. Not sure how that translates into dollars but Head Coach Jeff Brohm's name became pretty well known as did Brandon Doughty's. We just have to continue building on Western Kentucky. But then again every school at this level needs to worry about that more than G5 message board smack.

Nice post. All true

There are no absolutes in realignment

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(05-30-2016 09:10 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  I'd love to see all the posts from Western fans saying we made the move for 'the tv dollas'. There's a search function so go ahead and show me.

The majority of Western fans (on our home board) were excited because in their minds CUSA had a better perception.

I argued that the football leagues were similar and it would be harder to win the conference in basketball in a currently one bid conference. Wasn't sure there was a win in that scenario. But I was still for the move.

I do know that in our first 2 years in the conference we've had a team ranked in the top 25. I do know that I don't ever remember a Sun Belt team being ranked in the top 25. Are the teams that got ranked simply that much better than the best the sun belt has? Or is there still some 'perception' that CUSA is better? Even if it's a lingering perception from the previous version of CUSA.

The majority of Western fans were excited because they believed that CUSA could be a better basketball conference. It also reunited us with UAB, ODU, Charlotte, and Middle in hoops. The first 3 longtime hoops rivals from the previous sun belt and the latter a rival period.

Last year was a pisspoor year in hoops. But there have been coaching changes made at some places and I believe there are more teams in CUSA that do care about hoops than there are in the Sun Belt. Does 'caring about hoops' translate into multiple bids? Not so far but I believe there is potential.

I do believe there are some teams in the Sun Belt that would more than likely move to CUSA if given the chance. I'm not so sure Arky State is one. They've carved out football success on their own. Probably content where they are and the exit/entrance fees don't justify the move.

Conversely, I don't believe there'd be too many teams currently in CUSA that would move to the Sun Belt.

This is not me spinning. We weren't a market. I heard it from CUSA schools when we moved in. We don't really move the TV dial. We did get some pretty good publicity last year for our football success. 12-2 and a top 25 ranking. Not sure if we would have been ranked if we were still in the Sun Belt. Not sure how that translates into dollars but Head Coach Jeff Brohm's name became pretty well known as did Brandon Doughty's. We just have to continue building on Western Kentucky. But then again every school at this level needs to worry about that more than G5 message board smack.

The question now is it worth $4.0 million plus increased travel cost for "Cusa prestige" for current Belt teams. I think it might be for ULL or Texas St but that's about it. I doubt we will ever know since Cusa has a surplus of teams and they probably need to shed 2 to 4 teams. Oil will probably need to double in price for those two to afford the $4.0 mio.

(05-30-2016 09:36 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:10 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  I'd love to see all the posts from Western fans saying we made the move for 'the tv dollas'. There's a search function so go ahead and show me.

The majority of Western fans (on our home board) were excited because in their minds CUSA had a better perception.

I argued that the football leagues were similar and it would be harder to win the conference in basketball in a currently one bid conference. Wasn't sure there was a win in that scenario. But I was still for the move.

I do know that in our first 2 years in the conference we've had a team ranked in the top 25. I do know that I don't ever remember a Sun Belt team being ranked in the top 25. Are the teams that got ranked simply that much better than the best the sun belt has? Or is there still some 'perception' that CUSA is better? Even if it's a lingering perception from the previous version of CUSA.

The majority of Western fans were excited because they believed that CUSA could be a better basketball conference. It also reunited us with UAB, ODU, Charlotte, and Middle in hoops. The first 3 longtime hoops rivals from the previous sun belt and the latter a rival period.

Last year was a pisspoor year in hoops. But there have been coaching changes made at some places and I believe there are more teams in CUSA that do care about hoops than there are in the Sun Belt. Does 'caring about hoops' translate into multiple bids? Not so far but I believe there is potential.

I do believe there are some teams in the Sun Belt that would more than likely move to CUSA if given the chance. I'm not so sure Arky State is one. They've carved out football success on their own. Probably content where they are and the exit/entrance fees don't justify the move.

Conversely, I don't believe there'd be too many teams currently in CUSA that would move to the Sun Belt.

This is not me spinning. We weren't a market. I heard it from CUSA schools when we moved in. We don't really move the TV dial. We did get some pretty good publicity last year for our football success. 12-2 and a top 25 ranking. Not sure if we would have been ranked if we were still in the Sun Belt. Not sure how that translates into dollars but Head Coach Jeff Brohm's name became pretty well known as did Brandon Doughty's. We just have to continue building on Western Kentucky. But then again every school at this level needs to worry about that more than G5 message board smack.

The question now is it worth $4.0 million plus increased travel cost for "Cusa prestige" for current Belt teams. I think it might be for ULL or Texas St but that's about it. I doubt we will ever know since Cusa has a surplus of teams and they probably need to shed 2 to 4 teams.

Here is a article that argues the that the value of CUSA is gone.

http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2016/5/

"So why did their TV contract go down?

Not having a specific TV network hurts your ability to monetize raw "markets", but the biggest reason is that nobody really cares about most of the Conference USA athletic programs right now. A huge chunk of conference membership consists of de facto expansion teams, schools new to the highest level of college football that haven't experienced any success or cultivated much of a fanbase yet."

And

". Conference realignment has hurt Conference USA more than any other conference except the WAC. Southern Miss and UAB are the only current members who were still around back in the 1990s, and most of the conference membership joined in the last few years. Most of their most successful and marketable programs, like Houston, Memphis, East Carolina, and UCF, left to join The American."

(05-30-2016 09:36 AM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:10 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  I'd love to see all the posts from Western fans saying we made the move for 'the tv dollas'. There's a search function so go ahead and show me.

The majority of Western fans (on our home board) were excited because in their minds CUSA had a better perception.

I argued that the football leagues were similar and it would be harder to win the conference in basketball in a currently one bid conference. Wasn't sure there was a win in that scenario. But I was still for the move.

I do know that in our first 2 years in the conference we've had a team ranked in the top 25. I do know that I don't ever remember a Sun Belt team being ranked in the top 25. Are the teams that got ranked simply that much better than the best the sun belt has? Or is there still some 'perception' that CUSA is better? Even if it's a lingering perception from the previous version of CUSA.

The majority of Western fans were excited because they believed that CUSA could be a better basketball conference. It also reunited us with UAB, ODU, Charlotte, and Middle in hoops. The first 3 longtime hoops rivals from the previous sun belt and the latter a rival period.

Last year was a pisspoor year in hoops. But there have been coaching changes made at some places and I believe there are more teams in CUSA that do care about hoops than there are in the Sun Belt. Does 'caring about hoops' translate into multiple bids? Not so far but I believe there is potential.

I do believe there are some teams in the Sun Belt that would more than likely move to CUSA if given the chance. I'm not so sure Arky State is one. They've carved out football success on their own. Probably content where they are and the exit/entrance fees don't justify the move.

Conversely, I don't believe there'd be too many teams currently in CUSA that would move to the Sun Belt.

This is not me spinning. We weren't a market. I heard it from CUSA schools when we moved in. We don't really move the TV dial. We did get some pretty good publicity last year for our football success. 12-2 and a top 25 ranking. Not sure if we would have been ranked if we were still in the Sun Belt. Not sure how that translates into dollars but Head Coach Jeff Brohm's name became pretty well known as did Brandon Doughty's. We just have to continue building on Western Kentucky. But then again every school at this level needs to worry about that more than G5 message board smack.

The question now is it worth $4.0 million plus increased travel cost for "Cusa prestige" for current Belt teams. I think it might be for ULL or Texas St but that's about it. I doubt we will ever know since Cusa has a surplus of teams and they probably need to shed 2 to 4 teams. Oil will probably need to double in price for those two to afford the $4.0 mio.

For some it's not increased travel. There are 4 or 5 CUSA schools real close to Atlanta. So it would be a conversation.

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