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RE: Delaware and conference affiliation
(05-17-2016 04:33 PM)wml33t Wrote:  This horse AGAIN for nj?

If I made up those quotes coming out of the mouth of the Delaware president, you would have a valid point.

But, I didn't, and as far as I'm concerned, Tribe is now on notice.
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(05-17-2016 07:34 PM)nj alum Wrote:  
(05-17-2016 04:33 PM)wml33t Wrote:  This horse AGAIN for nj?

If I made up those quotes coming out of the mouth of the Delaware president, you would have a valid point.

But, I didn't, and as far as I'm concerned, Tribe is now on notice.

How about if you made up any actual meaning behind the quotes? The horse is still dead.
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RE: Delaware and conference affiliation
(05-17-2016 07:44 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(05-17-2016 07:34 PM)nj alum Wrote:  
(05-17-2016 04:33 PM)wml33t Wrote:  This horse AGAIN for nj?

If I made up those quotes coming out of the mouth of the Delaware president, you would have a valid point.

But, I didn't, and as far as I'm concerned, Tribe is now on notice.

How about if you made up any actual meaning behind the quotes? The horse is still dead.

“We are constantly thinking about the right alignment for us, which conference we play in, who are our peer schools academically and athletically?” he said. “I envision and dream about some fantastic rivalries that will bring people to the stadiums, to the arenas, that will celebrate those relationships and competitions.

“Everything is open right now. We’re going to consider with our athletic director where we want to be and define who we want to be . . . the first thing we need to be is the best within the [Colonial Athletic Association].”

Have at it .... what do you think is the actual meaning behind these quotes?
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RE: Delaware and conference affiliation
Just a naive question, but is there really any support for W&M moving up to FBS? (I think I got it right that time - I mean what used to be 1A.)
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RE: Delaware and conference affiliation
(05-17-2016 08:34 PM)nj alum Wrote:  
(05-17-2016 07:44 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(05-17-2016 07:34 PM)nj alum Wrote:  
(05-17-2016 04:33 PM)wml33t Wrote:  This horse AGAIN for nj?

If I made up those quotes coming out of the mouth of the Delaware president, you would have a valid point.

But, I didn't, and as far as I'm concerned, Tribe is now on notice.

How about if you made up any actual meaning behind the quotes? The horse is still dead.

“We are constantly thinking about the right alignment for us, which conference we play in, who are our peer schools academically and athletically?” he said. “I envision and dream about some fantastic rivalries that will bring people to the stadiums, to the arenas, that will celebrate those relationships and competitions.

“Everything is open right now. We’re going to consider with our athletic director where we want to be and define who we want to be . . . the first thing we need to be is the best within the [Colonial Athletic Association].”

Have at it .... what do you think is the actual meaning behind these quotes?
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Well, I think the actual meaning is pure BS. The guy has nothing really to say so he mouths platitudes. If I am not mistaken, Terry Driscoll has said pretty much the same thing as the UD Pres on several occasions - matter of fact, he may have said "exactly" the same things.
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http://www.dailypress.com/sports/fairban...-post.html

Yep, exactly the same thing (tic)

And, of course, there's this, not nary a word of which contains anything remotely similar to what the UD President said:

http://www.nmnathletics.com/fls/25100/sp...report.pdf

You do realize that the UD President who presided over the recent down phase left, and that these quotes are from the incoming President, who starts in July, and comes from Michigan and Stony Brook? I presume that the man means what he says; to presume that these are platitudes is problematic.

The first private meeting between Taylor and the UD President on this subject may prove interesting to W&M.
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So, the new president is making statements implying he wants to do big things now that he's in charge? Right now there's not even rumors of offers for UD.

Quote:In particular, an appraisal was needed of what it would take to provide our program with resources consistent with those of other programs in the Colonial Athletic Association (CAA) (we have fallen behind), as well as resources conducive to a higher level of competitive excellence than we now enjoy (though our past success exceeds that of any other CAA school)

Quote:We’re going to consider with our athletic director where we want to be and define who we want to be . . . the first thing we need to be is the best within the [Colonial Athletic Association].

Different ways of saying the same thing. UD's new president is making statements that imply he's looking at everything because he's the new guy.

In the meantime, all of your statements are exactly the same, and we're in the same spot we were when we heard the first ones.
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:-)

W&M wants resources consistent with other CAA programs and UD wants to be the best in the CAA. That is not the same thing, no matter how you spin it. That is preparation to be accepted elsewhere at the appropriate time.

UD Prez says “We are constantly thinking about the right alignment for us, which conference we play in, who are our peer schools academically and athletically?” he said. “I envision and dream about some fantastic rivalries that will bring people to the stadiums, to the arenas, that will celebrate those relationships and competitions." Where exactly did anyone affiliated with W&M ever say that?

As for my statements being the same, they started long before VCU, ODU, Mason, and Ga. State left, and long before Villanova said "yes" to Big East football.

If you're not concerned about a scenario in which JMU and Delaware leave together for the MAC, I don't know what to tell you. Under UD's last President, that wasn't happening. Under this new President, the quote above greatly concerns me, ... and it should you.
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(05-18-2016 07:33 AM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  Right now there's not even rumors of offers for UD.

Ask Tim Sullivan if there were any rumors of Richmond leaving for the A-10 as the CAA was about to complete a major expansion with SoCon schools.

Delaware's football attendance has fallen through the floor. There are numerous reasons for that ... tailgating policy, ticket prices, abandonment of the Wing T, liberal transfer policy under Keeler, home schedule quality, etc.

If the powers that be decide that it's CAA FCS football that is a major part of the attendance decline, and that attendance can come back with FBS affiliation, it's a problem for W&M.

You don't need rumors ... it's staring you in the face.
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(05-18-2016 08:27 AM)nj alum Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 07:33 AM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  Right now there's not even rumors of offers for UD.

Ask Tim Sullivan if there were any rumors of Richmond leaving for the A-10 as the CAA was about to complete a major expansion with SoCon schools.

Delaware's football attendance has fallen through the floor. There are numerous reasons for that ... tailgating policy, ticket prices, abandonment of the Wing T, liberal transfer policy under Keeler, home schedule quality, etc.

If the powers that be decide that it's CAA FCS football that is a major part of the attendance decline, and that attendance can come back with FBS affiliation, it's a problem for W&M.

You don't need rumors ... it's staring you in the face.

Do we want to see Delaware leave? No. Can we do anything about it if they decide to leave? Probably not.

We are enjoying a clearer focus on our athletic future than at any time in my experience. We are "constantly thinking about the right alignment for us, which conference we play in, who are our peer schools academically and athletically". If you don't believe we are, go back and review the report of the Committee on Competitive Excellence. Other schools are envious of that report, including Delaware. We know what we're going to be, and other schools (and conferences if need be) are going to seek affiliation with us. When, and if, Delaware issues a similar report we'll have a real idea of what their future may look like. I hope they stay in the CAA, but if they move we certainly don't need to chase after them.
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I read the report, and linked it in Post #26.

I am sorry that I even started this thread.

Like all of you, I'm hoping that JMU stays, Delaware stays, NBC renews the CAA contract, and the CAA lives happily ever after.

Unlike some of you, I'm concerned that the preceding sentence will not happen, that JMU and Delaware are irreplaceable, and that the Tribe will have a hard choice to make. My concern was triggered by Delaware's new President's comments.
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This is a baffling conversation for me; more is being left unsaid than said.

Here is my position. If JMU and Delaware announced tomorrow morning they were moving to FBS I would:

Wish them good luck (and quietly ask myself what have they been smoking)
Continue with the "Competitive Excellence" plan
Hope the CAA could continue as a FCS league with football and all its current sports
Look at other FCS options such as the Patriot League as backups.

If JMU and Delaware announced tomorrow morning they were staying in the CAA I would:

Wish them luck (but not against us)
Continue with the "Competitive Excellence" plan

It's not that I don't care what JMU or Delaware do, or that I have expectations as to what they will do; it's just that I think we follow the same path regardless of their actions.

I do not support going FBS since I think only 64-80 schools will find that to be a viable option and I think only two schools in Va. and none in Del. are in that group.
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If Delaware and JMU leave tomorrow:

1) CAA football would have ten members. Stay at 10 or expand?
2) Do Nova and Richmond stay, or move to the Patriot? That would affect 1)
3) Who are the football replacements?
4) Does CAA football remain on NBC?
5) CAA all-sports would have eight members. Stay at 8 or expand?
6) Do Drexel, Hofstra and Northeastern stay? That would affect 5).
7) Who are the all-sports replacements?
8) Does CAA all-sports remain on NBC?

After the smoke clears, and all the replacements are made, would W&M rather be (1) in the "new" CAA, (2) the SoCon, AE, or the Patriot, or (3) is the drop-off in quality of play such that biting the bullet, and going with JMU and Delaware, is a viable alternative? Is the alternative to (4) ramp up men's hoops, follow the Richmond / Nova path, get an invite to the A-10, and park football with Richmond and Nova?

W&M is equally committed to football, hoops, and Olympic sports ... very few conferences fit this description, which is why the CAA is a perfect fit, but recent events are putting a lot of pressure on this model.
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nj, what could W&M leadership do to stop these posts? It seems like you're getting worked up over some kind of inaction, but what should W&M be doing that we are not? Can any of those 8 questions be answered without JMU/UD leaving the CAA, and should they be answered publicly if no actions have been taken yet?
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They can say what they want. What exactly are the options for JMU, Delaware or W&M for that matter outside the CAA?

Fact is, the G5 options all suck for W&M. I think JMU and UD agree. And if either were to jump on any of them, I would also be in the "enjoy yourself" mode, no interest in following.

Funny, others translate the comments from UD moving to the Patriot.

We can't control what others may want. We are making great strides and continue to build our own equity. Delaware is struggling. They have to say something.
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(05-18-2016 05:36 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  nj, what could W&M leadership do to stop these posts? It seems like you're getting worked up over some kind of inaction, but what should W&M be doing that we are not? Can any of those 8 questions be answered without JMU/UD leaving the CAA, and should they be answered publicly if no actions have been taken yet?

Seriously?

I think if you read my posts I'm simply saying that W&M has a lot riding on Delaware and JMU staying put.

Nothing about W&M leadership. Nothing about inaction. Don't put words in my mouth.

The 8 questions were a simple response to a prior post relative to the poster's comment about things being unsaid.

As for what W&M should be doing ... :-) ... this is probably already occurring behind the scenes...

Groundwork can be laid ... merger with SoCon ... merger with AE ... merger with both ... get Patriot to change policies that we abhor ... does the A-10 have any interest and what would it take ... end any black balls being exercised by CAA schools ... ascertain if we are attractive to the MAC ... have a heart to heart with UNH, Albany, and SB ... see if the Ancient Eight want to expand...options need to be thought about and explored so that if it happens, we're ready to respond quickly.

I think it's called contingency planning.
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Put me in the "I don't want JMU or UD to leave" and "Their decisions shouldn't alter our model/goals" category.

I think the new AD is just being ambitious and wants to explore all options. I also think he'll realize UD is correctly situated in the CAA.
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What do anyone expect a new AD to say ? Doubtful they will not be anything but hung-ho to start trying to win back the fans and alumns so they will sell more tickets and raise more $$$$s. Just because the new AD wants improve thier current athletic situation it does not mean they are looking to move out of the CAA. UD's rivals are VU, TU, JMU and W&M and has been for many years and especially after they stopped playing Lehigh. From what I read there was not any sort of indication of them looking to leave the conference, just improve on what they have been doing in recent years .
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