(01-11-2019 11:21 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:22 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 05:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 08:56 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 12:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Considering the PAC's difficulties and the fact that their GOR expires a year after that of the Big 12, why not push for Texas via Colorado? Both are AAU and those two states are demographically superior to Oklahoma and Kansas.

To me if there is to be any cooperation between the SEC and Big 10 (and FOX and ESPN) it seems to me this is where to start. Colorado and Texas would add tremendously to the Big 10, and the SEC might be satisfied with OU and Kansas. I know A&M would be happy.

FOX and ESPN could then cooperate to place the rest. The ACC may turn their nose up at WVU but the Eers would meet more of their needs and reconnect their footprint.

I think this is a successful arrangement. Texas may need some convincing but I think it's a win for everyone else. Nebraska and Missouri, in particular, would welcome old rivals to make their current conference a little more like home.

In the world that lies ahead of us the Big 10 and SEC are going to need each other's support to keep enough leverage to benefit us both. IMO this would be a great start. With the Big 12 out of the way a scheduling agreement would benefit us both as well. Nothing draws attention and sells like North vs South. Plus we're pretty easy commuting distance from each other as well.

I would like to know how the parsing out of UT and OU would be facilitated without difficulty. Both have a history of playing games against each since 1900. That's another old rivalry that would be put in jeopardy in case they split off. That game garners a lot of attention in the area.

Who goes first? I can make a case of either of them but UT has more of an interest in keeping the Big 12 intact as currently. How long would OU wait for an offer from the Big 10 if it is, indeed, expanding again?

As for Colorado, I've been trying to find any discussion on the idea of CU to the Big 10 and only found a thread at a Husker message board talking about it.

The only scenario that I can imagine Colorado leaving for the B1G would include bringing a few West Coast friends along. Maybe Washington, Oregon, California, UCLA, and Arizona? The XII could come in for Stanford, USC, Arizona St, and Utah. Washington St and Oregon St would be forced to either go independent or join the Mountain West...or perhaps the American as a Western leg with Boise St, BYU, San Diego St, and one or two others.

I always thought if the PAC was split up between the B1G & Big 12 then FOX could make too really solid leagues if the 4 California schools were split. I always thought a USC & Stanford to the B1G would make more sense and UCLA & Cal to the Big 12. I thought a USC/Stanford combo gave the B1G one last really good recruiting card for ND. A league that had Mich., MSU, Purdue, USC & Stanford gave ND a core of games that they always use to play and if league divisions are deregulated that makes for a great schedule. Although, then the ACC would probably be considered a lot weaker than the other 4 leagues brand wise.

I kind of thought the other way on Colorado. If the B1G wanted to go to 18, they could let Nebraska slide back to the Big 12 where their inventory may actually be more valuable to networks and then take USC, Stanford, Wash., Oregon & Arizona to get to 18. The B12 could take the rest of the PAC maybe minus WSU & OSU or even if the B12 got UCLA, Cal, Neb., Colorado, ASU, Utah they could even afford to take WSU & OSU if forced to in order to get it done. Then all the old PAC rivalries take place OOC.

That would give 4 pretty equal power leagues and a 4 team CFP makes perfect sense with expanded conference semi-finals to determine the conference champ. CFB would be so good then!

(05-11-2016 02:04 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  I think there would still be some talk about Texas and Notre Dame. Maybe also some combo of UNC, UVA, Duke, GT but going to 18 or even 20 is going to make it hard to keep the money the same for existing members.

I would think Notre Dame would do better where they are at.
They have rejected Big 10 membership once too many times.

(01-11-2019 11:21 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:22 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 05:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 08:56 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 12:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Considering the PAC's difficulties and the fact that their GOR expires a year after that of the Big 12, why not push for Texas via Colorado? Both are AAU and those two states are demographically superior to Oklahoma and Kansas.

To me if there is to be any cooperation between the SEC and Big 10 (and FOX and ESPN) it seems to me this is where to start. Colorado and Texas would add tremendously to the Big 10, and the SEC might be satisfied with OU and Kansas. I know A&M would be happy.

FOX and ESPN could then cooperate to place the rest. The ACC may turn their nose up at WVU but the Eers would meet more of their needs and reconnect their footprint.

I think this is a successful arrangement. Texas may need some convincing but I think it's a win for everyone else. Nebraska and Missouri, in particular, would welcome old rivals to make their current conference a little more like home.

In the world that lies ahead of us the Big 10 and SEC are going to need each other's support to keep enough leverage to benefit us both. IMO this would be a great start. With the Big 12 out of the way a scheduling agreement would benefit us both as well. Nothing draws attention and sells like North vs South. Plus we're pretty easy commuting distance from each other as well.

I would like to know how the parsing out of UT and OU would be facilitated without difficulty. Both have a history of playing games against each since 1900. That's another old rivalry that would be put in jeopardy in case they split off. That game garners a lot of attention in the area.

Who goes first? I can make a case of either of them but UT has more of an interest in keeping the Big 12 intact as currently. How long would OU wait for an offer from the Big 10 if it is, indeed, expanding again?

As for Colorado, I've been trying to find any discussion on the idea of CU to the Big 10 and only found a thread at a Husker message board talking about it.

The only scenario that I can imagine Colorado leaving for the B1G would include bringing a few West Coast friends along. Maybe Washington, Oregon, California, UCLA, and Arizona? The XII could come in for Stanford, USC, Arizona St, and Utah. Washington St and Oregon St would be forced to either go independent or join the Mountain West...or perhaps the American as a Western leg with Boise St, BYU, San Diego St, and one or two others.

Insiders at Colorado have said they have no interest in playing in the Big 10. Plus the Big 10 should take to heart the way Texas micromanages every school in every conference they ever played in. Texas is athletic poison. And Kansas will NEVER play in the SEC.

(01-12-2019 02:49 PM)HulaHawk Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 11:21 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 10:22 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 05:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 08:56 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think this is a successful arrangement. Texas may need some convincing but I think it's a win for everyone else. Nebraska and Missouri, in particular, would welcome old rivals to make their current conference a little more like home.

In the world that lies ahead of us the Big 10 and SEC are going to need each other's support to keep enough leverage to benefit us both. IMO this would be a great start. With the Big 12 out of the way a scheduling agreement would benefit us both as well. Nothing draws attention and sells like North vs South. Plus we're pretty easy commuting distance from each other as well.

I would like to know how the parsing out of UT and OU would be facilitated without difficulty. Both have a history of playing games against each since 1900. That's another old rivalry that would be put in jeopardy in case they split off. That game garners a lot of attention in the area.

Who goes first? I can make a case of either of them but UT has more of an interest in keeping the Big 12 intact as currently. How long would OU wait for an offer from the Big 10 if it is, indeed, expanding again?

As for Colorado, I've been trying to find any discussion on the idea of CU to the Big 10 and only found a thread at a Husker message board talking about it.

The only scenario that I can imagine Colorado leaving for the B1G would include bringing a few West Coast friends along. Maybe Washington, Oregon, California, UCLA, and Arizona? The XII could come in for Stanford, USC, Arizona St, and Utah. Washington St and Oregon St would be forced to either go independent or join the Mountain West...or perhaps the American as a Western leg with Boise St, BYU, San Diego St, and one or two others.

Insiders at Colorado have said they have no interest in playing in the Big 10. Plus the Big 10 should take to heart the way Texas micromanages every school in every conference they ever played in. Texas is athletic poison. And Kansas will NEVER play in the SEC.

Not sure KU would NEVER play in the SEC. Not only is the AD from the SEC (Arkansas) but the new football coach (Les Miles) is from LSU and if you look at his staff most all of them have SEC backgrounds. Now I'm not saying KU WOULD get an invitation to play in the SEC but realistically they could use KU Basketball (the conference "weakness" with only Kentucky having much creed) and a "non-threatening" football program (at least for the moment) in KU football. And, the sports played by KU match SEC programs (track & field, baseball, etc) a little better than those played by the B1G (no hockey, wrestling, gymnastics, etc.). But, I would guess if KU did in fact receive an offer from the SEC and not one from the B1G for whatever reason(s), KU would jump to the SEC without any qualms (where they would reunite themselves with their arch foe, Missouri). But, even with the above, I think it highly likely KU would PREFER to go to the B1G if that option was available, which it may or may not be.

I imagine Kansas’ order would be: B1G, SEC, ACC, PAC. They border Nebraska (and therefore Creighton), so perhaps find a football home or go independent along with Connecticut and both send their basketball programs to the Big East. It would remain 50% Eastern / 50% Midwestern.

Kansas will have their fate in someone else's hands. They don't have a football program capable of going anywhere. We'll see if Texas or Oklahoma want them or an in-state rival. Maybe the PAC will be interested in KU but I don't know who they would want to pair them with. Iowa State?

(01-12-2019 09:19 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Kansas will have their fate in someone else's hands. They don't have a football program capable of going anywhere. We'll see if Texas or Oklahoma want them or an in-state rival. Maybe the PAC will be interested in KU but I don't know who they would want to pair them with. Iowa State?

I agree that presently KU's fate would be in someone else's hands if realignment was immiment However, realignment is probably a couple of years away so MAYBE the KU football program will show enough improvement under the new coach to be at least somewhat attractive. I seriously doubt that UT will even consider a move UNLESS both OU AND KU both move first (or as a group with them), and possibly not even then. If OU moves, and if OU goes to the B1G I would think KU would probably be their "tag-along", OSU being academically unacceptable. If OU goes to the SEC, then KU MIGHT be a tag-along, depending on Oklahoma politics at that time (or possibly the ESPN connection which might "trump" Oklahoma politics since ESPN has had KU's T3 rights for sometime and might wish to retain KU by pushing the SEC to take KU like they did when the SEC took Missouri at ESPN's "suggestion). I just don't see KU in either the ACC or PAC except as a/the VERY LAST resort (probably mutually as to KU and the conference involved) due to time differences, travel, and the lack of any "history" with those conference teams to speak of, unless a "group" of at least 3 other current Big12 teams moved as a group with KU. I definitely never see KU as an independent. Even if the most dire circumstances occur and KU falls out of the (then) Power 4 conferences, KU would probably join the MWC before going independent.
I claim no "supernatural prediction powers"...these are only MY thoughts.

(01-11-2019 10:22 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 05:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 08:56 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 12:04 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Considering the PAC's difficulties and the fact that their GOR expires a year after that of the Big 12, why not push for Texas via Colorado? Both are AAU and those two states are demographically superior to Oklahoma and Kansas.

To me if there is to be any cooperation between the SEC and Big 10 (and FOX and ESPN) it seems to me this is where to start. Colorado and Texas would add tremendously to the Big 10, and the SEC might be satisfied with OU and Kansas. I know A&M would be happy.

FOX and ESPN could then cooperate to place the rest. The ACC may turn their nose up at WVU but the Eers would meet more of their needs and reconnect their footprint.

I think this is a successful arrangement. Texas may need some convincing but I think it's a win for everyone else. Nebraska and Missouri, in particular, would welcome old rivals to make their current conference a little more like home.

In the world that lies ahead of us the Big 10 and SEC are going to need each other's support to keep enough leverage to benefit us both. IMO this would be a great start. With the Big 12 out of the way a scheduling agreement would benefit us both as well. Nothing draws attention and sells like North vs South. Plus we're pretty easy commuting distance from each other as well.

I would like to know how the parsing out of UT and OU would be facilitated without difficulty. Both have a history of playing games against each since 1900. That's another old rivalry that would be put in jeopardy in case they split off. That game garners a lot of attention in the area.

Who goes first? I can make a case of either of them but UT has more of an interest in keeping the Big 12 intact as currently. How long would OU wait for an offer from the Big 10 if it is, indeed, expanding again?

As for Colorado, I've been trying to find any discussion on the idea of CU to the Big 10 and only found a thread at a Husker message board talking about it.

Maryland to the Big 10 talk wasn't really out there much until the process was well underway. Then there was a message board blitz to facilitate the move. But then I'm not saying any of these moves are probable. But the ACC is out of bounds until 2036. Should the SEC and Big 10 split Texas and OU then finding profitable and acceptable #2's will be crucial and some latitude needs to be considered when looking at options.

https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-relea...agreement/

Just started processing the news that came out today. Basically, Disney gets the Big 12 Championship games that FOX no longer wanted. The deal is through 2024-25. All the 3rd-tier games and other sports go to the ESPN+ platform, with the big exception of UT and OU.

Quote:Eight of the conference’s 10 schools will produce and deliver multiple sports under the new Big 12-branded platform on ESPN+, with schools joining on a rolling basis. Starting in 2019, there will be games from Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State and Oklahoma State, in addition to the select Big 12 Conference championship events. In 2020-21, Iowa State, TCU, West Virginia and Texas Tech will join the lineup. Due to existing long-term rights agreements, Texas (the Longhorn Network) and Oklahoma will not produce and deliver programming included on ESPN+ at this time, but will be featured as road teams in games listed under the new Big 12-branded offering on the service.

Not trying to read too much into it but the thing that jumps out to me is that KU is thrown in with 7 others. Perhaps they were comfortable enough with Disney that they didn't feel it necessary to carve out their own deal.

In any case, it's now clear that the pecking order with respect to sports power within that conference is unlikely to change. How would that play out in the future? What would the Big Ten or any other conference offer that would entice Oklahoma to leave the Big 12 after 2025? Would Oklahoma be comfortable with their position in the Big 12 that it wouldn't matter what others offer?

Let the speculation really begin.

(04-10-2019 12:45 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-relea...agreement/

Just started processing the news that came out today. Basically, Disney gets the Big 12 Championship games that FOX no longer wanted. The deal is through 2024-25. All the 3rd-tier games and other sports go to the ESPN+ platform, with the big exception of UT and OU.

Quote:Eight of the conference’s 10 schools will produce and deliver multiple sports under the new Big 12-branded platform on ESPN+, with schools joining on a rolling basis. Starting in 2019, there will be games from Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State and Oklahoma State, in addition to the select Big 12 Conference championship events. In 2020-21, Iowa State, TCU, West Virginia and Texas Tech will join the lineup. Due to existing long-term rights agreements, Texas (the Longhorn Network) and Oklahoma will not produce and deliver programming included on ESPN+ at this time, but will be featured as road teams in games listed under the new Big 12-branded offering on the service.

Not trying to read too much into it but the thing that jumps out to me is that KU is thrown in with 7 others. Perhaps they were comfortable enough with Disney that they didn't feel it necessary to carve out their own deal.

In any case, it's now clear that the pecking order with respect to sports power within that conference is unlikely to change. How would that play out in the future? What would the Big Ten or any other conference offer that would entice Oklahoma to leave the Big 12 after 2025? Would Oklahoma be comfortable with their position in the Big 12 that it wouldn't matter what others offer?

Let the speculation really begin.

Speculation began hours ago on some other boards.

I don't expect the Big 12 to have defections. I think both Texas and Oklahoma are satisfied and the networks won't want to shell out more money to make moves.

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https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-relea...agreement/

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Not trying to read too much into it but the thing that jumps out to me is that KU is thrown in with 7 others. Perhaps they were comfortable enough with Disney that they didn't feel it necessary to carve out their own deal.

Let the speculation really begin.
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KU already had a T3 deal with ESPN (only TX and KU of the B12 had T3 deals with ESPN) but KU did not have a linear network (no LHN). So KU will still get paid for that part of its T3 already under contract with ESPN but will ALSO provide and get paid for additional T3 material NOT under contract (ie., women's basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc.). Fox Sports Oklahoma already had virtually all OU sports under contract prior to this deal so they couldn't unilaterally "break" that contract (without substantial penalty) to participate even if they had wanted to. Also, the LHN "expires" in 2031 and unless something radically changes, probably will not be renewed, or if so, at no where near its present rate and probably not as a linear network (it already has substantial distribution problems).

And, note this deal also expires in 5 years, the same time as the B12 GOR.

But, as always on a sports board......let the speculation begin.....and continue!!!

May not be that relevant today but could be a sign of things to come...

Quote:After serving one year as the University of Oklahoma's president, Jim Gallogly has announced his plans to retire, according to university officials.

"I have advised our Board of Regents of my plans to retire once they have a transition plan in place," Gallogly said in a news release. "(My wife) Janet and I have been honored to serve our university. This has been the most important work of our lives, and it was with great pride that we watched our first class graduate this weekend."

The OU Board of Regents and Gallogly, who served as the university's 14th president, are working to lay out a plan for a "smooth transition."

"We will respect President Gallogly’s decision to retire as president of the University of Oklahoma," said Leslie Rainbolt-Forbes, chair of the OU Board of Regents. "During the presidential search, it became clear we were at a point where we needed a president at OU with a unique set of skills and experiences. We also wanted someone already connected to OU.

"He loved OU. The Regents asked Jim to come out of retirement to lead our university following a distinguished business career. He did, and we are appreciative because Jim and (his wife) Janet have given one of the greatest gifts one can ever give to a university, and that is their time."

https://www.koco.com/article/jim-gallogl...t/27447507

I for one would like to see Oklahoma and Kansas as the next two Big Ten members. The West needs another true blueblood and the Sooners provide that while Kansas boosts the conference's basketball pedigree.

I see Oklahoma as a school capable of being reasonable and working with its conference mates. Texas is not that kind of school so I think it's best to let them be someone else's headache.

This came out a week ago(ish) but wanted to see what everyone thought. Big deal, small deal or no deal. Oklahoma Gave False Data for Years to 'U.S. News,' Loses Ranking.

IMO, I'd say it's a small deal. This specific issue is related to alumni giving. The concern I'd have if I were a B1G commissioner was the fact that it's been going on since 1999. A university spokesperson "... confirmed that the incorrect data was submitted with the intent to inflate the statistic." The problem arises when others (Big Ten officials) might question other voluntarily submitted data.

I think we can all agree that if/when Oklahoma gets an invitation to the Big Ten, it will be base more on their football pedigree than their academic reputation. That isn't to say OU is a bad school, if it were they'd not even be considered at all.

(05-27-2019 06:19 AM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  This came out a week ago(ish) but wanted to see what everyone thought. Big deal, small deal or no deal. Oklahoma Gave False Data for Years to 'U.S. News,' Loses Ranking.

IMO, I'd say it's a small deal. This specific issue is related to alumni giving. The concern I'd have if I were a B1G commissioner was the fact that it's been going on since 1999. A university spokesperson "... confirmed that the incorrect data was submitted with the intent to inflate the statistic." The problem arises when others (Big Ten officials) might question other voluntarily submitted data.

I think we can all agree that if/when Oklahoma gets an invitation to the Big Ten, it will be base more on their football pedigree than their academic reputation. That isn't to say OU is a bad school, if it were they'd not even be considered at all.

I think the last paragraph nailed it. If anything, this may make the Big Ten attempt to get an even stronger (academically) partner to help mitigate the optics of the Oklahoma addition, though who that would be is hard to figure.

(04-10-2019 07:35 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I don't expect the Big 12 to have defections. I think both Texas and Oklahoma are satisfied and the networks won't want to shell out more money to make moves.

Fox does, they would love to make their B1G content more valuable.

(05-18-2019 03:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I for one would like to see Oklahoma and Kansas as the next two Big Ten members. The West needs another true blueblood and the Sooners provide that while Kansas boosts the conference's basketball pedigree.

I see Oklahoma as a school capable of being reasonable and working with its conference mates. Texas is not that kind of school so I think it's best to let them be someone else's headache.

Yup, boost the two major sports and make the conference both deeper on the field and wealthier in their contracts. OU/Wisc vs OSU/UM every year in the B1G championship game is what Fox would love to get. Plus KU vs MSU in the B1G bball tourny would be another big win for our TV partners.

(05-28-2019 08:53 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 07:35 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I don't expect the Big 12 to have defections. I think both Texas and Oklahoma are satisfied and the networks won't want to shell out more money to make moves.

Fox does, they would love to make their B1G content more valuable.

Yep, ESPN wants to hold onto Texas and would like a larger piece of OU.

The money difference is just going to be too great for it not to be an overwhelming temptation for movement in 2023-5.

I'm new here (Northwestern fan) but I wanted to comment. I'm a traditionalist and I believe in regional rivalries. I'm one of the people who thinks Maryland and Rutgers have no business being in the B1G. I'm sick of this all being about money and power and influence and all of that. We have a good thing here. I'd honestly like us to be back at 10 teams but of course that will never happen so the next best thing is to leave it just how it is. I have no desire to have NC State, UNC, Virginia, or any of those schools in the B1G. Our schools have nothing in common with those schools. Geography matters to me and this is a Midwestern conference and I'd like to see it stay that way. I just don't want tradition and rivalries lost all because of the almighty dollar. Just my two cents.