http://northernstar.info/campus/task-for...c8d37.html

Said every similar study by any university ever.

Snark aside, the idea of cutting a sport- any sport bugs me.

But when 41 programs (even if it's heavily on the certificate/minor side) eyed for elimination, and multiple administrative units eyed for consolidation, athletics can't very well be immune.

That is why growing the HAF and season ticket holders for basketball and football is important. Tuition will keep increasing (less funds from state), to offset the increase, student fees might be reduced. The problem is almost every program below the G5, does not generate revenue and donations to cover costs. The good and the bad of NIU athletics is The Yordon Ctr and Chessick IPF facility would not be built if not for football. How much prestige does this add to the University is unknown. Back in 2003, NIU enrollment was up after that season.

I wonder how a university gets to the point where they built so many academic and administrative programs that you can then make a recommendation that those programs get cut or receive reduced funding?

If I was a wrestler or a baseball player I'm starting to see the writing on the wall, unfortunately.

(05-03-2016 09:23 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I wonder how a university gets to the point where they built so many academic and administrative programs that you can then make a recommendation that those programs get cut or receive reduced funding?

If I was a wrestler or a baseball player I'm starting to see the writing on the wall, unfortunately.

I think the academic stuff just grows gradually over time- add a minor or certificate program here and there because of shared student and faculty interest- but eventually student interest wanes and the faculty who supported it retired or moved on to other positions and there's still this thing, pulling low enough resources to stay under the radar until the big picture is examined.

Athletics is so low on flab it's hard to picture cuts. I'd actually be more nervous as a golfer or tennis player- especially tennis which is heavily international athletes. Wrestling at least is limited in travel and has such a small competitive pool that actually being good is doable for NIU (so few teams, and being in the only part of the country where it's really a thing). Baseball is supposedly a conference requirement. Soccer has had success in recent memory and is worth keeping in the long term.

(05-03-2016 10:03 AM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 09:23 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I wonder how a university gets to the point where they built so many academic and administrative programs that you can then make a recommendation that those programs get cut or receive reduced funding?

If I was a wrestler or a baseball player I'm starting to see the writing on the wall, unfortunately.

I think the academic stuff just grows gradually over time- add a minor or certificate program here and there because of shared student and faculty interest- but eventually student interest wanes and the faculty who supported it retired or moved on to other positions and there's still this thing, pulling low enough resources to stay under the radar until the big picture is examined.

Athletics is so low on flab it's hard to picture cuts. I'd actually be more nervous as a golfer or tennis player. Wrestling at least is limited in travel and wrestling has such a small competitive pool that actually being good is doable for NIU (so few teams, and being in the only part of the country where it's really a thing). Baseball is supposedly a conference requirement. Soccer has had success in recent memory and is worth keeping in the long term.

Golf isn't going anywhere anytime soon seeing as how we are hosting the NCAA championships next year.

Baseball is no longer a conference requirement. Akron cut their baseball team last year.

(05-03-2016 10:04 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 10:03 AM)DogTracks Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 09:23 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I wonder how a university gets to the point where they built so many academic and administrative programs that you can then make a recommendation that those programs get cut or receive reduced funding?

If I was a wrestler or a baseball player I'm starting to see the writing on the wall, unfortunately.

I think the academic stuff just grows gradually over time- add a minor or certificate program here and there because of shared student and faculty interest- but eventually student interest wanes and the faculty who supported it retired or moved on to other positions and there's still this thing, pulling low enough resources to stay under the radar until the big picture is examined.

Athletics is so low on flab it's hard to picture cuts. I'd actually be more nervous as a golfer or tennis player. Wrestling at least is limited in travel and wrestling has such a small competitive pool that actually being good is doable for NIU (so few teams, and being in the only part of the country where it's really a thing). Baseball is supposedly a conference requirement. Soccer has had success in recent memory and is worth keeping in the long term.

Golf isn't going anywhere anytime soon seeing as how we are hosting the NCAA championships next year.

Plus
Jerry Rich is a big booster. Wrestling seems to be the sport losing in collegiate athletics. Lets hope we get through this and the state gets serious. It looks like Iowa Purdue Ill Minn and Neb do not play soccer

(05-03-2016 10:13 AM)GCD70 Wrote:  Plus Jerry Rich is a big booster. Wrestling seems to be the sport losing in collegiate athletics. Lets hope we get through this and the state gets serious. It looks like Iowa Purdue Ill Minn and Neb do not play soccer

Yeah I don't know if the NCAA Championship does anything for NIU unless there is some sort of NCAA kickback for hosting. The bigger factor is if Jerry Rich and other alums donate directly to the program. The golf team is small in comparison to other programs and really doesn't travel a ton. I would think wrestling would probably go first if anything ever happened.

The plus side is Springfield seems to be getting it's **** together, little by little. That said, this process seems destined to cut jobs on campus, so athletics will have to do something. Reorganizing ticketing seems like the low hanging fruit. That and doing something with cheerleading (do they even do competition anymore?).

Since NIU and ISU seem to have been in the best shape outside the UI system through the state mess, hopefully that stays true and the rest of the report can just stay on the shelf and the campus funds steered athletics' way can maintain.

(05-03-2016 10:29 AM)DogTracks Wrote:  The plus side is Springfield seems to be getting it's **** together, little by little. That said, this process seems destined to cut jobs on campus, so athletics will have to do something. Reorganizing ticketing seems like the low hanging fruit. That and doing something with cheerleading (do they even do competition anymore?).

Since NIU and ISU seem to have been in the best shape outside the UI system through the state mess, hopefully that stays true and the rest of the report can just stay on the shelf and the campus funds steered athletics' way can maintain.

I did read that even the U of I was looking at some cutbacks.

"the department should consider eliminating a male, non-revenue sport,"

Can Title IX please go away or be modified to the point where it makes sense? Probably not in this lifetime.

(05-03-2016 10:29 AM)DogTracks Wrote:  The plus side is Springfield seems to be getting it's **** together, little by little. That said, this process seems destined to cut jobs on campus, so athletics will have to do something. Reorganizing ticketing seems like the low hanging fruit. That and doing something with cheerleading (do they even do competition anymore?).

Since NIU and ISU seem to have been in the best shape outside the UI system through the state mess, hopefully that stays true and the rest of the report can just stay on the shelf and the campus funds steered athletics' way can maintain.

Both the All Girl and Coed Cheer came back from a successful April 7/8 trip in Daytona, FL at the NCA College Nationals. Both teams made it through prelims on the 7th and placed in the finals on the 8th, each earning a well deserved trophy... Congrats to them and CBS Sports network will have the Finals on this weekend, May 8th. So, yes they compete.

(05-03-2016 11:40 AM)niubrad00 Wrote:  "the department should consider eliminating a male, non-revenue sport,"

Can Title IX please go away or be modified to the point where it makes sense? Probably not in this lifetime.

It is moronic

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(05-03-2016 08:22 AM)Jwbon Wrote:  http://northernstar.info/campus/task-for...c8d37.html

Who is on this task force?

It seems they do not understand that 16 D1 sports are required by the NCAA to be considered a D1 school?

Technically we have 17 sports offered but really its made up of 16 teams. The 17th is the difference between Indoor and Outdoor Women's track.


That being said with the budget issues I do believe that NIU athletics should cut funding within the administration first but also the cheerleaders and a 17th sport in order to save some money but more importantly keep public support of NIU's D1 status. Also this one sport being cut cannot be a required sport of the AAC or B12.

If it happens i imagine wrestling, baseball, gymnastics would be on the chopping blocks

Vote out Madigan and his cronies. Until Illinois solves its budget mess, everyone will face cuts.

(05-03-2016 12:21 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 08:22 AM)Jwbon Wrote:  http://northernstar.info/campus/task-for...c8d37.html

Who is on this task force?

It seems they do not understand that 16 D1 sports are required by the NCAA to be considered a D1 school?

Technically we have 17 sports offered but really its made up of 16 teams. The 17th is the difference between Indoor and Outdoor Women's track.


That being said with the budget issues I do believe that NIU athletics should cut funding within the administration first but also the cheerleaders and a 17th sport in order to save some money but more importantly keep public support of NIU's D1 status. Also this one sport being cut cannot be a required sport of the AAC or B12.

Pretty sure it's only 14. Either 7 & 7 or 6m, 8w

(05-03-2016 05:45 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 12:21 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 08:22 AM)Jwbon Wrote:  http://northernstar.info/campus/task-for...c8d37.html

Who is on this task force?

It seems they do not understand that 16 D1 sports are required by the NCAA to be considered a D1 school?

Technically we have 17 sports offered but really its made up of 16 teams. The 17th is the difference between Indoor and Outdoor Women's track.


That being said with the budget issues I do believe that NIU athletics should cut funding within the administration first but also the cheerleaders and a 17th sport in order to save some money but more importantly keep public support of NIU's D1 status. Also this one sport being cut cannot be a required sport of the AAC or B12.

Pretty sure it's only 14. Either 7 & 7 or 6m, 8w

This B12 document says that the NCAA FBS requirement is 16.


"As an obligation of membership in the Conference, each Member Institution shall meet NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision membership requirements, which includes sponsoring a minimum of 16 varsity sports, with the minimum of six varsity sports for men and a minimum of eight varsity sports for women."

http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdf...M_ID=10410

Has anyone, anywhere, at any time....ever recommended AGAINST self-sustaining behavior?