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RE: Question for Idaho fans and others opinions
(04-29-2016 10:05 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-28-2016 01:30 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-28-2016 12:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-28-2016 10:14 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Honestly, I believe we'll stink for a long time unless a lot of rules are bent to help us during the transition.

As I understand it when we drop down we're in an FCS transition period and ineligible for the playoffs for 2 years. No player or coach who signed on to play FBS football, is sticking around for that if they have any other options. And since we're dropping down the players can all transfer without sitting out. So I'd expect a mass exodus and a total rebuild right as the last rebuild was about to pay off. And that will have to be done with nearly zero enthusiasm from boosters or students, the same indifferent administrators and a brand new crapshoot at coach.

If the transition period won't be enforced it might be slightly better but we're still going to have a lot of people who didn't sign up for FCS football and will be looking to get out of here.

This is part of what's so frustrating -- Petrino did a good job rebuilding the team and we're finally ready to compete again. If Staben were just announcing a 2-year trial at indy we could have kept that together and had at least a couple more fun FBS years before facing the music. As it is, we're going to blow up the team again.

The people who say this is good for us in the long run may be right if "the long run" is defined as about 2 decades from now. But in the short run it's horrible and as Keynes said, in the long run we're all dead.

Problem is the transition rules are designed for II going FCS, other than being over scholarship limits and presumably one coach over the staff limit, every player you have had to meet the same initial eligibility and transfer eligibility requirements as imposed in FCS.

That ought to be the basis of waiver. In 1981 when everyone got shipped down the new members were immediately eligible but the transition rules were different as well.

I'd be sorely tempted to go 63 this year and declare myself FCS for this season and use 2016 and 2017 to meet the transition rules if no waiver is granted.

But there is a very good waiver argument in my opinion.

I listened to the press conference and Idaho seems confident they can be immediately playoff-eligible as long as they get to 63 by 2018. So we might not have a wholesale player exodus, but I'm still sure Petrino & Co plus a lot of the best players leave after this year or next. So we'll still have at least some pieces of a team but a brand new coach and the same indifferent administrators.

Still, I'm upgrading my FCS prediction from Terrible to Mediocre. WOO HOO! 03-banghead

As I read the rule...
Idaho players will be entitled to a free transfer for the shift in subdivision but cannot use that transfer until after the 2017 season. So no seniors or juniors on this squad will be eligible (unless a junior redshirts this year or next).

Anyone wanting out before December of 2017 has to sit a year or transfer to a junior college, get a degree there and then go to an FBS.

This is probably true and good news for the rest of our time in the Sun Belt but judging from the comments by the players who've said anything so far and the near-certain coaching turnover I would expect very few of the freshmen and sophomores on the current team to still be here when we open Big Sky play in 2018.

And I'm not optimistic about an administration that clearly isn't committed to football being able attract a quality coach to replace Petrino. So I'm still stuck somewhere between Bad and Mediocre.
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RE: Question for Idaho fans and others opinions
(04-29-2016 06:20 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I can understand Idaho fans disappointment. The poo-pooing of FCS, especially The Big Sky, is misguided. While Idaho will have to honor all 71 scholarships, the benefit of FCS is that partial scholarships are allowed - 63 over 85 players. Montana, Montana State, Portland State (although tragedy has struck their team), E. Washington provide [/b]plenty of competition and the top of the neighboring Missouri Valley Conference could compete in G5 tomorrow.
The biggest "benefit" of FBS is being on a bigger stage to market the program. That benefit doesn't necessarily yield increased revenue in small population states like Idaho, Montana, North Dakota and Pro Sport media markets in the northeast. I hope Vandal fans want to be the best they can be and enjoy travelling to closer venues with great atmosphere's like Montana, Montana St., and Eastern Washington.

There are Idaho fans who dislike FCS just because it's FCS but I'm not one of them. I'm against FCS because it's a horrible place for a school in Idaho's particular situation to be for a host of political reasons that are too boring for a football board. If those exact same schools with the exact same teams were in an FBS conference I'd be arguing that Idaho should begin playing there immediately.
04-29-2016 12:04 PM
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I would think Idaho could become a power in the Big Sky just as they were before moving up. The only schools that have consistently been strong in the BS the past few years are EWU and Montana. There is no reason for Idaho to not battle those two for the top spot going forward.
04-29-2016 12:08 PM
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