(03-16-2020 05:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Sanchez’s win loss record improved this year but he has lost twice to JMU since taking the Charlotte job. JMU had no history of how Sanchez would do when they interviewed him. He wanted above market pay but he had never been a head coach. Why overpay for an unproven coach? He may go on to do great things but he wasn’t the hire I would have overpaid for at the time he was interviewed.

I disagree with your assessment of the talent when Lou took over Longhorn. Matt was definitely a better coach than Lou but JMU has more talent on this roster now than when Lou took over the program. The half hearted extension given Matt made sure his recruiting would be hampered and he would ultimately fail.

While I agree with Dukester that the roster is good enough to win more games, I also agree with Longhorn that Lou’s recruiting was less than what was expected. He never recruited that one player that was among the top 5 in the league. A Ron Curry type. The Curry, Cooke and Nation type class never came to be either. Lewis is the only player on the roster that has played to the Curry level at times but not consistently.

JMU needs to pay a proven head coach $400-600k. I believe I read that is close to what the top CAA coaches are paid. I am fairly certain incentives will be part of the offering as well.

Ain’t that the truth!

(03-16-2020 05:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  JMU needs to pay a proven head coach $400-600k. I believe I read that is close to what the top CAA coaches are paid. I am fairly certain incentives will be part of the offering as well.

It is interesting to note that Charleston is the highest paying job in the CAA at $650k.

Their athletics budget is $24 million. JMU’s is $52 million.
Yet you are calling for a JMU salary from $400k-$600k which would eliminate a lot of candidates from even considering the job.

We have football and a huge football stadium. We value Olympic sports and spend money on them. Does Charleston spend real money on any sport not called men’s basketball?

So you are saying JMU doesn’t want to win bad enough in basketball?
More than 2X the budget but can’t outpay little ol’ Charleston for a strong coach

I don’t see JMU spending $700k for a basketball coach.

(03-31-2016 03:48 PM)lexduke398 Wrote:  Fantastic Hire. I rebuke my 2000000000 statements we would screw this up.

What happened to this poster? He was a big time on MBB threads.

Lex also called jmutoml757 a jack wagon or some such name for immediately saying it was a disappointing hire. Didn’t even need hindsight to know that at the time!

(03-31-2016 04:18 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 04:16 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(03-31-2016 04:10 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I like Lou, but man, this is underwhelming. I'm very disappointed in the overall direction of our athletics program. Something needs to be done about the leadership; it's pitiful.

They do not value success in athletics.

It's not important to this administration.

Crossing the 50 threshold I'm afraid JMU athletics will never be what I hoped in my lifetime.

Amazing - They fired Brady to hire a low level assistant.

Disbelief.......

Very underwhelming.

Fun thread to review to see where we all stood back in the day.

(03-31-2016 04:43 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I will support Louis Rowe. He has done nothing wrong. I will not support Jon Boy Alger.

Hahahahaha liar

(03-16-2020 05:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  While I agree with Dukester that the roster is good enough to win more games, I also agree with Longhorn that Lou’s recruiting was less than what was expected. He never recruited that one player that was among the top 5 in the league. A Ron Curry type. The Curry, Cooke and Nation type class never came to be either. Lewis is the only player on the roster that has played to the Curry level at times but not consistently.

This statement is 100% accurate. When LR was hired, given the fact he had never been a head coach before no one expected him to coach circles around CAA coaches but the general feeling was he would elevate the roster. LR’s recent success as a recruiter and his role in bringing in Cooke, Nation, and Curry played a big part in him getting the job.

In LR’s tenure he never brought in guys of the same caliber as Cooke, Nation, and Curry. The players he did bring in did not develop. People like to say our roster is talented but I don’t think that is true and the results support that opinion. Maybe under the right coaching players like Banks and Lewis can turn into a Curry type of player. Whoever is hired, I don’t see them leading JMU into the top three of the conference with our current roster. The team really needs a big to anchor the middle and we need an upgrade at PG if we hope to be near the top of the conference standings next season.


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(03-16-2020 08:27 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(03-16-2020 05:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  JMU needs to pay a proven head coach $400-600k. I believe I read that is close to what the top CAA coaches are paid. I am fairly certain incentives will be part of the offering as well.

It is interesting to note that Charleston is the highest paying job in the CAA at $650k.

Their athletics budget is $24 million. JMU’s is $52 million.
Yet you are calling for a JMU salary from $400k-$600k which would eliminate a lot of candidates from even considering the job.

Why are you looking at just athletic budget? Why not just look at men's basketball budget to make fair comparisons.

From 2016:

JMU- 2.91M
CofC- 2.42M

Recruiting spending from 2008-2013 (latest numbers I can find):
CofC- $82,367
JMU- $93,079
So spending right where they do seems reasonable. Paying way above that seems a bit of a stretch

(03-18-2020 07:42 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(03-16-2020 08:27 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(03-16-2020 05:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  JMU needs to pay a proven head coach $400-600k. I believe I read that is close to what the top CAA coaches are paid. I am fairly certain incentives will be part of the offering as well.

It is interesting to note that Charleston is the highest paying job in the CAA at $650k.

Their athletics budget is $24 million. JMU’s is $52 million.
Yet you are calling for a JMU salary from $400k-$600k which would eliminate a lot of candidates from even considering the job.

Why are you looking at just athletic budget? Why not just look at men's basketball budget to make fair comparisons.

From 2016:

JMU- 2.91M
CofC- 2.42M

Recruiting spending from 2008-2013 (latest numbers I can find):
CofC- $82,367
JMU- $93,079
So spending right where they do seems reasonable. Paying way above that seems a bit of a stretch

Would be interesting to see the details of our basketball budget vs CoC.

A tad odd we on paper spend $500k more on basketball than CoC, yet pay our HC substantially less than they do.

Jeff Bourne (DNR - April 2016)

Prior to the hiring Rowe “With a strong presence on next year's team of upperclassmen who have experienced winning, a new coach can be successful right out of the gate.“

After re-reading these posts, I was surprised I had forgotten that Rowe was hired with the expectation that we would not be offering a COA. What a lampoon worthy decision that was by the JMU admin. Talk about torpedoing our coaching search from the start. Do better this time fellas (or step aside).

(03-17-2020 11:07 PM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  

(03-16-2020 05:25 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  While I agree with Dukester that the roster is good enough to win more games, I also agree with Longhorn that Lou’s recruiting was less than what was expected. He never recruited that one player that was among the top 5 in the league. A Ron Curry type. The Curry, Cooke and Nation type class never came to be either. Lewis is the only player on the roster that has played to the Curry level at times but not consistently.

This statement is 100% accurate. When LR was hired, given the fact he had never been a head coach before no one expected him to coach circles around CAA coaches but the general feeling was he would elevate the roster. LR’s recent success as a recruiter and his role in bringing in Cooke, Nation, and Curry played a big part in him getting the job.

In LR’s tenure he never brought in guys of the same caliber as Cooke, Nation, and Curry. The players he did bring in did not develop. People like to say our roster is talented but I don’t think that is true and the results support that opinion. Maybe under the right coaching players like Banks and Lewis can turn into a Curry type of player. Whoever is hired, I don’t see them leading JMU into the top three of the conference with our current roster. The team really needs a big to anchor the middle and we need an upgrade at PG if we hope to be near the top of the conference standings next season.


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Rowe recruited great HS players but didn't know how develop them into good college players. He didn't seem to recruit the right guys that fit into his desired system, he recruited the best talent he could but let those recruits strengths dictate the system.

Look at Lewis's lack of good decision making and at times leadership. Banks almost feeling forced to play "hero ball". So many times it looked like Matt was out their on an island, looking at the sideline for help.

Christmas was a better player game #5 compared to game #20, How does a player go from playing 30 minutes one game to 3 the next then back to 30?

On ball defense is about being committed to a process and a lot less about talent. Our guards and wings were not committed to quality defense. Rowe never developed a defensive culture. Guys that come off the bench need to learn and develop their skills in real game situations, especially defense. Rowe rarely use his bench in an intelligent way.

I believe Coach Rowe had pretty good tools but didn't know how to use them.

Tell me the face on Bourne does not say it all at Lou's opening press conference.

(03-18-2020 03:23 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Tell me the face on Bourne does not say it all at Lou's opening press conference.

Is this right before Charlie went on record about how it was such a great hire?

(03-18-2020 03:27 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 03:23 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Tell me the face on Bourne does not say it all at Lou's opening press conference.

Is this right before Charlie went on record about how it was such a great hire?

There are so many options for captions of his thoughts.

(03-18-2020 08:33 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Jeff Bourne (DNR - April 2016)

Prior to the hiring Rowe “With a strong presence on next year's team of upperclassmen who have experienced winning, a new coach can be successful right out of the gate.“

He said "Can be" not "will be". There is a big difference.

(03-18-2020 03:34 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 08:33 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Jeff Bourne (DNR - April 2016)

Prior to the hiring Rowe “With a strong presence on next year's team of upperclassmen who have experienced winning, a new coach can be successful right out of the gate.“

He said "Can be" not "will be". There is a big difference.

To be honest everything Lou did he was able to accomplish.