Full CIT schedule for the first round is posted at http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament...esults.php

Kansas State will not be heading to Vegas:

http://www.bringonthecats.com/2015-16-ks...on-is-over

Wikipedia briefly had them along with Boise State and Oakland listed as having accepted bids last night, but all 3 teams were removed.

(03-14-2016 05:43 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  Full CIT schedule for the first round is posted at http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament...esults.php

There's 26 teams. Does this mean there's going to be byes in later rounds, or is there going to be three more teams in the second round?

Wow, that's a shockingly poor CBI field:

81 Ohio (20-11)
99 Siena (21-12)
107 Albany (22-8)
118 Nevada (17-13)
126 Vermont (20-13)
127 Morehead State (20-13)
129 Pepperdine (17-13)
144 Nebraska-Omaha (16-13)
145 Montana (18-11)
162 Duquesne (15-16)
166 Western Carolina (13-17)
190 Idaho (19-12)
225 Houston Baptist (13-16)
233 Eastern Washington (15-15)
245 UNC-Greensboro (11-18)
287 Seattle (12-16)

Even without the last 4, it would be bad, but wtf were they thinking with those?

When Memphis made the finals of the AAC tournament, I got to thinking that, with the various minor tournaments now, making your conference finals should count for something. I went through and made a list of the conference finalists not in the NCAA Tournament and not getting NIT autobids.

AAC--Memphis
CUSA--Old Dominion
Sun Belt--Louisiana Monroe (CIT)
Big Sky--Montana (CBI)
MVC--Evansville
MEAC--SC State (CIT)
OVC--UT MArtin (CIT)
Patriot--Lehigh
SoCon--ETSU
Southland--A&M Corpus Christi (CIT)
Summit--ND State
SWAC--JAckson STate (CIT)
Am East--Vermont (CBI)
A-Sun--Stetson (APR issues, no postseason)
BWC--Long Beach State (NIT at-large)
Horizon--Wright State

I didn't write down their won-loss records, but they were solid, mostly 20+ wins, a few 19s. I don't remember any losing records.
We'll see how many of the 7 remaining show up in the Vegas 16 field.

NIT needs expanding IMO. It needs to be like the WNIT with 64 teams. CIT would probably survive with a smaller field. The rest would go bye bye.

Yeah I can't imagine all 3 of these tourneys are back next year. The CBI isn't getting any Power conference teams anymore. I think Colorado was the only one last year and none this year.

Can't believe the CIT didn't get 32 teams.

For a lot of schools, if you don't get accepted into the NCAA or NIT, your season is over. It's not worth the extra travel costs for a few extra games against subpar opponents.

(03-14-2016 07:23 AM)jhn31 Wrote:  Wow, that's a shockingly poor CBI field:

81 Ohio (20-11)
99 Siena (21-12)
107 Albany (22-8)
118 Nevada (17-13)
126 Vermont (20-13)
127 Morehead State (20-13)
129 Pepperdine (17-13)
144 Nebraska-Omaha (16-13)
145 Montana (18-11)
162 Duquesne (15-16)
166 Western Carolina (13-17)
190 Idaho (19-12)
225 Houston Baptist (13-16)
233 Eastern Washington (15-15)
245 UNC-Greensboro (11-18)
287 Seattle (12-16)

Even without the last 4, it would be bad, but wtf were they thinking with those?

Too many 3rd tiered tourneys...CBI I bet will be a casualty next year. Only about 7 or so legit teams. Vegas will kill this one. The CIT might survive as a niche.

There has to a be a fallout...the deepest pockets will survive.

NCAA
NIT no shame getting an invite here and has the NCAA backing and ESPN Family of Networks
Vegas or CBI??? Should the survivor just be 16 teams?
CIT survive as a midmajor niche?

(03-14-2016 07:23 AM)jhn31 Wrote:  Wow, that's a shockingly poor CBI field: ... Even without the last 4, it would be bad, but wtf were they thinking with those?

"The checks cleared."

You take the money from the teams hosting, you got to hustle up a visiting team somehow. CBI has always had no limit on picking schools with a losing record ... the CIT doesn't allow major conference schools nor schools with losing records, and with the Vegas 16 in the mix, might have come up short on 32 schools that qualify according to their rules.

If they really only have 26, that looks like 5 games and 3 byes in the second round leading into the QFinals.

Rumor from a blogger, via Twitter, is that the Vegas "16“ will have only 8 teams when announced later this morning....

My prediction for the V8 bracket:

ODU
ETSU
La Tech
Boise State
Oakland
Illinois State
Louisiana Lafayette
William and Mary

(03-14-2016 09:44 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Too many 3rd tiered tourneys...CBI I bet will be a casualty next year. Only about 7 or so legit teams. Vegas will kill this one. The CIT might survive as a niche.

There has to a be a fallout...the deepest pockets will survive.

NCAA
NIT no shame getting an invite here and has the NCAA backing and ESPN Family of Networks
Vegas or CBI??? Should the survivor just be 16 teams?
CIT survive as a midmajor niche?

The CIT, as you said, it fills a niche. I think the CIT will survive.

But only one --- if that --- of the CBI and Vegas can survive. Too many teams have decided to have an attitude of "NCAA or NIT or nothing at all."

The CBI debuted in 2008. Look at the teams below, who participated. It's notable how different it is vs. 2016: eight years ago, you were getting a decent # of teams from fairly decent conferences. That dynamic has disappeared.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Colle...vitational

Virginia, Richmond, Old Dominion, Rider, Bradley, Cincinnati, Ohio U, Brown, UTEP, Utah, Tulsa, Miami University, Washington, Valparaiso, Nevada, Houston.

I know, teams have shifted conferences since 2008. But the above contains:

1) 1 current ACC team, 2 current Pac-12 teams, 3 current American teams, and 1 A-10 team. e.g., 7 teams from high-major conferences.

2) 2 current C-USA teams, 1 current MVC team, 1 current MWC team, 1 current Horizon team, and 2 current MAC teams. e.g., 7 teams from conferences that have a decent ability to get at-large teams into the NCAA.

3) Only 2 teams from conferences at "an even lower tier": the MAAC and Ivy.

(03-14-2016 10:12 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  My prediction for the V8 bracket:

ODU
ETSU
La Tech
Boise State
Oakland
Illinois State
Louisiana Lafayette
William and Mary

Illinois State has declined any postseason play citing budget troubles

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(03-14-2016 10:12 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  My prediction for the V8 bracket:

ODU
ETSU
La Tech
Boise State
Oakland
Illinois State
Louisiana Lafayette
William and Mary

How can LaLa play in the Vegas tourney if they're already playing in the CIT??

Posted this on the ODU board, but if the Vegas 16 doesn't have a full field (thus becoming the Vegas '16), perhaps the CIT is holding spots for teams that were planning to go to that tournament.

That said, I still think the idea of bowl-like destinations for the lower tourneys is valid. If they can figure out how to make the finances work out, you could rejigger the current third-tier tournaments into regional ones. One in Vegas, one in New Orleans, one in Miami (or Myrtle Beach, since its tourism board had sponsorship in like half the conference tournaments year). And while there'd be obvious regionally-influenced fields, it wouldn't be a hard and fast rule: If Coastal Carolina wants to go to New Orleans or UNLV wants to go to Myrtle Beach, why the hell not?

(03-14-2016 11:01 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 10:12 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  My prediction for the V8 bracket:

ODU
ETSU
La Tech
Boise State
Oakland
Illinois State
Louisiana Lafayette
William and Mary

How can LaLa play in the Vegas tourney if they're already playing in the CIT??

That's what I get for not reading the other brackets well enough. Illinois State is out too.

I remember reading somewhere they were in contention for V16.

Here is the rumor so far

Brian Mull ‏@BGMull
Confirmed that Vegas event looking more like 8-team deal. Northern Illinois, Boise State, UCSB, Oakland, Towson, ODU, ETSU, La. Tech in mix.

(03-14-2016 10:39 AM)NittanyLion Wrote:  

(03-14-2016 09:44 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Too many 3rd tiered tourneys...CBI I bet will be a casualty next year. Only about 7 or so legit teams. Vegas will kill this one. The CIT might survive as a niche.

There has to a be a fallout...the deepest pockets will survive.

NCAA
NIT no shame getting an invite here and has the NCAA backing and ESPN Family of Networks
Vegas or CBI??? Should the survivor just be 16 teams?
CIT survive as a midmajor niche?

The CIT, as you said, it fills a niche. I think the CIT will survive.

But only one --- if that --- of the CBI and Vegas can survive. Too many teams have decided to have an attitude of "NCAA or NIT or nothing at all."

The CBI debuted in 2008. Look at the teams below, who participated. It's notable how different it is vs. 2016: eight years ago, you were getting a decent # of teams from fairly decent conferences. That dynamic has disappeared.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Colle...vitational

Virginia, Richmond, Old Dominion, Rider, Bradley, Cincinnati, Ohio U, Brown, UTEP, Utah, Tulsa, Miami University, Washington, Valparaiso, Nevada, Houston.

I know, teams have shifted conferences since 2008. But the above contains:

1) 1 current ACC team, 2 current Pac-12 teams, 3 current American teams, and 1 A-10 team. e.g., 7 teams from high-major conferences.

2) 2 current C-USA teams, 1 current MVC team, 1 current MWC team, 1 current Horizon team, and 2 current MAC teams. e.g., 7 teams from conferences that have a decent ability to get at-large teams into the NCAA.

3) Only 2 teams from conferences at "an even lower tier": the MAAC and Ivy.

Problem with CBI is it is way too expensive to host. Almost everyteam will lose money. On top of that, u get no exposure. I remember when Creighton participated way back, i had to go to a bar to watch the championship games on HDNet. Now the championship games are on espnu, hardly worth it.