(03-02-2016 11:42 AM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  Let's pull out the ruler and get to measuring...

Here's how Forbes ranks Georgia State and Georgia Southern:

GA State: #183 in Research Universities (Feel like this should be higher for the Harvard of the south?)
GA Southern: #219 in Research Universities (Feel like this should be lower for such a small, rural school?)

GA State: 960-1170 SAT Composite Range
GA Southern: 1030-1190 SAT Composite Range

GA State: 20-25 ACT Composite Range
GA Southern: 21-25 ACT Composite Range

GA State: 55% Admitted
GA Southern: 52% Admitted

Pecker-check!

(03-02-2016 12:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:01 PM)Baldy Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:52 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Ben Moore writes for clicks. Somehow, the inciting event for his desire to move to CUSA is the jettison of two outlying football programs who won haven't made a bowl in a very long time?

He's also failing to mention in his article that Georgia State and it's President were two of the most staunch supporters for eliminating NMSU and Idaho to save travel. But hey, Idaho is R1 or something, so they are awesome!

On the bright side, if this whole Georgia State site doesn't work out, he'd always have a position available as a writer for Louisiana Tech.

CUSA isn't good enough for State. Haven't you heard? Their peer institutions are Memphis and Cincinnati. It's just a shame that athletically speaking, they're more on par with Longwood or Coppin State.

I understand the concept of peer institutions. AState regularly claims Memphis and Cincy as "Peer Institutions"

It's just that we happen to understand the chances of actually getting invited to another league are somewhere next to Mr Slim and Mr None, so we also counter that argument with how we should be able to grow to the level we want in the Sun Belt.

The funny part about this whole thing is that those 4 or 5 schools who want to leave the Sun Belt, didn't want Georgia State in the Sun Belt, and their admission was part of the reason some of those 4 or 5 schools decided they want out.

Then kick us out. If the Presidents don't want us here, make it so. If our athletics are so atrocious, the presidents want us around for some reason, but don't say marketz. After all, I don't know how many times people have posted on here that it is not a selling point.

(03-02-2016 12:26 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:01 PM)Baldy Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:52 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Ben Moore writes for clicks. Somehow, the inciting event for his desire to move to CUSA is the jettison of two outlying football programs who won haven't made a bowl in a very long time?

He's also failing to mention in his article that Georgia State and it's President were two of the most staunch supporters for eliminating NMSU and Idaho to save travel. But hey, Idaho is R1 or something, so they are awesome!

On the bright side, if this whole Georgia State site doesn't work out, he'd always have a position available as a writer for Louisiana Tech.

CUSA isn't good enough for State. Haven't you heard? Their peer institutions are Memphis and Cincinnati. It's just a shame that athletically speaking, they're more on par with Longwood or Coppin State.

I understand the concept of peer institutions. AState regularly claims Memphis and Cincy as "Peer Institutions"

It's just that we happen to understand the chances of actually getting invited to another league are somewhere next to Mr Slim and Mr None, so we also counter that argument with how we should be able to grow to the level we want in the Sun Belt.

The funny part about this whole thing is that those 4 or 5 schools who want to leave the Sun Belt, didn't want Georgia State in the Sun Belt, and their admission was part of the reason some of those 4 or 5 schools decided they want out.

Then kick us out. If the Presidents don't want us here, make it so. If our athletics are so atrocious, the presidents want us around for some reason, but don't say marketz. After all, I don't know how many times people have posted on here that it is not a selling point.

Memphis and Cincy?!?!?

(03-02-2016 12:21 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:18 PM)sham84 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:02 AM)panama Wrote:  By the way, pretty disingenuous thread when 4 or 5 schools are working on getting out. LOL

Yes, 4 or 5 schools who have been in this conference for years, 4 or 5 schools with solid fan bases who actually care about the programs, 4 or 5 schools with recent success in athletics and bowl championships, 4 or 5 schools who are updating facilities.

His ONLY argument is that you are a highly regarded research school?????

He is right about one thing, you are not in a conference with your peers. Based on athletics, we are all above you.

*whistles*

(03-02-2016 10:06 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  The SEC is on line 1 ...

Yep, for Southern....or so their inner knowledgeable fans say....

(03-02-2016 12:18 PM)sham84 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:02 AM)panama Wrote:  By the way, pretty disingenuous thread when 4 or 5 schools are working on getting out. LOL

Yes, 4 or 5 schools who have been in this conference for years, 4 or 5 schools with solid fan bases who actually care about the programs, 4 or 5 schools with recent success in athletics and bowl championships, 4 or 5 schools who are updating facilities.

His ONLY argument is that you are a highly regarded research school?????

He is right about one thing, you are not in a conference with your peers. Based on athletics, we are all above you.

This thread needs a Jim Ross sound effect whenever someone makes a post.

(03-02-2016 12:54 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  This thread needs a Jim Ross sound effect whenever someone makes a post.

Or Homer Simpson. It is the message board equivalent of an icy police chase.

(03-02-2016 12:05 PM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 10:49 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 10:43 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  Ok?

So a research classification makes the entire university one of the best in the country?

Not quite

You are right. They hand out hundreds of millions of dollars in research awards to these schools as a hand out.

Wait, this can't be right...

Here's how Forbes ranks Georgia State and Georgia Southern:

GA State: #183 in Research Universities (Feel like this should be higher for the Harvard of the south? Especially with those millions of dollars in research awards.)

GA Southern: #219 in Research Universities (Feel like this should be lower for such a small, rural school?)

Congrats, you explained the bottom. We are an access school. Now how about the top? Carnegie Category? Yeah let's not go there.

USNWR overall rankings?
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...l-rankings
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...l-rankings
Yeah, thought so?

Research expenditures?
GSU #137
GS # 265

I could not find this page on the GS site

Might want to go back to the we suck at sports argument.

Did Trump write this article?

Seems about right...

LOL, I shouldn't even respond to this flame thread, but something in me just has to. There are several talking points :

1. The majority of GS fans have no delusions about our academic standing. The majority know the education at GS is good and underrated but by no means the Harvard of the South.

2. By the sounds of those who went to Ga State, they think that their university is the top academic institution in the SB due to a strong program here and there, and research facilities. How is this at all accurate? If I say, "LOOK AT OUR NURSING PROGRAM AT GS, WE ARE THE BEST SCHOOL IN GEORGIA"...how is that at all true?

3. GS fans may be delusional about football (sometimes being cocky, overconfident, REALLY annoying), but it's because we've tasted some success and once you get the taste in your mouth you want more of it.

4. Sure we'd all like to be in the SEC, what's the point of having to verbalize that?

5. These conference profiles talk is bull. 30-35 years ago, YES it made sense for certain teams to join certain conferences due to academics/location/ect. but the new age G5 Conferences don't really have that option. You just want strong programs to join your conference. Moving conferences takes MONEY and an available spot. None of the teams in our conference have a coach who has a net worth of $25 million (before getting paid by the university) or has Phil Knight backing them. Until that happens, this is a moot point.

If this was just clickbait, congrats Ga State, you won the interwebz today. But realistically, you are still behind in many athletic areas, and have a TON of work to do to get caught up to where you need to be in order to be attractive to any conference. Ga Southern fans are realistic in the fact that we put out a great product, but in general knows the program doesn't raise enough money to make a move in the near future. Time for you guys to crash back down to earth like (some of) the rest of us.

(03-02-2016 12:49 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:21 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:18 PM)sham84 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:02 AM)panama Wrote:  By the way, pretty disingenuous thread when 4 or 5 schools are working on getting out. LOL

Yes, 4 or 5 schools who have been in this conference for years, 4 or 5 schools with solid fan bases who actually care about the programs, 4 or 5 schools with recent success in athletics and bowl championships, 4 or 5 schools who are updating facilities.

His ONLY argument is that you are a highly regarded research school?????

He is right about one thing, you are not in a conference with your peers. Based on athletics, we are all above you.

*whistles*

Everyone.

(03-02-2016 01:06 PM)Baldy Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:49 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:21 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:18 PM)sham84 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:02 AM)panama Wrote:  By the way, pretty disingenuous thread when 4 or 5 schools are working on getting out. LOL

Yes, 4 or 5 schools who have been in this conference for years, 4 or 5 schools with solid fan bases who actually care about the programs, 4 or 5 schools with recent success in athletics and bowl championships, 4 or 5 schools who are updating facilities.

His ONLY argument is that you are a highly regarded research school?????

He is right about one thing, you are not in a conference with your peers. Based on athletics, we are all above you.

*whistles*

Everyone.

Stomping a mudhole was trophy enough.

GagState is like the Marco Rubio of the Sun Belt. Still thinks it's winning...

(03-02-2016 01:05 PM)NCEagleMan05 Wrote:  LOL, I shouldn't even respond to this flame thread, but something in me just has to. There are several talking points :

1. The majority of GS fans have no delusions about our academic standing. The majority know the education at GS is good and underrated but by no means the Harvard of the South.

2. By the sounds of those who went to Ga State, they think that their university is the top academic institution in the SB due to a strong program here and there, and research facilities. How is this at all accurate? If I say, "LOOK AT OUR NURSING PROGRAM AT GS, WE ARE THE BEST SCHOOL IN GEORGIA"...how is that at all true?

3. GS fans may be delusional about football (sometimes being cocky, overconfident, REALLY annoying), but it's because we've tasted some success and once you get the taste in your mouth you want more of it.

4. Sure we'd all like to be in the SEC, what's the point of having to verbalize that?

5. These conference profiles talk is bull. 30-35 years ago, YES it made sense for certain teams to join certain conferences due to academics/location/ect. but the new age G5 Conferences don't really have that option. You just want strong programs to join your conference. Moving conferences takes MONEY and an available spot. None of the teams in our conference have a coach who has a net worth of $25 million (before getting paid by the university) or has Phil Knight backing them. Until that happens, this is a moot point.

If this was just clickbait, congrats Ga State, you won the interwebz today. But realistically, you are still behind in many athletic areas, and have a TON of work to do to get caught up to where you need to be in order to be attractive to any conference. Ga Southern fans are realistic in the fact that we put out a great product, but in general knows the program doesn't raise enough money to make a move in the near future. Time for you guys to crash back down to earth like (some of) the rest of us.

I don't really get your 2nd point. Seems more Southern made than anything else.

(03-02-2016 01:05 PM)NCEagleMan05 Wrote:  LOL, I shouldn't even respond to this flame thread, but something in me just has to. There are several talking points :

1. The majority of GS fans have no delusions about our academic standing. The majority know the education at GS is good and underrated but by no means the Harvard of the South.

2. By the sounds of those who went to Ga State, they think that their university is the top academic institution in the SB due to a strong program here and there, and research facilities. How is this at all accurate? If I say, "LOOK AT OUR NURSING PROGRAM AT GS, WE ARE THE BEST SCHOOL IN GEORGIA"...how is that at all true?

3. GS fans may be delusional about football (sometimes being cocky, overconfident, REALLY annoying), but it's because we've tasted some success and once you get the taste in your mouth you want more of it.

4. Sure we'd all like to be in the SEC, what's the point of having to verbalize that?

5. These conference profiles talk is bull. 30-35 years ago, YES it made sense for certain teams to join certain conferences due to academics/location/ect. but the new age G5 Conferences don't really have that option. You just want strong programs to join your conference. Moving conferences takes MONEY and an available spot. None of the teams in our conference have a coach who has a net worth of $25 million (before getting paid by the university) or has Phil Knight backing them. Until that happens, this is a moot point.

If this was just clickbait, congrats Ga State, you won the interwebz today. But realistically, you are still behind in many athletic areas, and have a TON of work to do to get caught up to where you need to be in order to be attractive to any conference. Ga Southern fans are realistic in the fact that we put out a great product, but in general knows the program doesn't raise enough money to make a move in the near future. Time for you guys to crash back down to earth like (some of) the rest of us.

I might point out that someone went to our message board and took a thread an article and went bananas and created a thread over here about it. Over the years I have seen similar threads/discussion on various schools message boards. Hell you can go to the Cincy, Memphis, UAB, ODU or JMU boards ON THIS SITE as we speak and likely find a similar discussion The fact that this many people got bent out of shape about our discussion when these discussions occur daily on everyone's boards is frankly a YOU problem. Worry about your program and we will worry about ours.

Success in athletics can provide resources to improve academic programs/stature/rankings/etc.

Success in academic programs does not improve athletic performance/attendance/etc.

(03-02-2016 01:11 PM)gsu2583 Wrote:  GagState is like the Marco Rubio of the Sun Belt. Still thinks it's winning...

Its almost like we didnt go 5-3 in this conference last year.

(03-02-2016 01:19 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 01:11 PM)gsu2583 Wrote:  GagState is like the Marco Rubio of the Sun Belt. Still thinks it's winning...

Its almost like we didnt go 5-3 in this conference last year.

Almost...

5-3.

Congrats on getting your learners permit. Are you sure you want to jump up in the cab of that 18-wheeler now?

Sounds like a good choice.

(03-02-2016 12:46 PM)panama Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:26 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 12:01 PM)Baldy Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 11:52 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Ben Moore writes for clicks. Somehow, the inciting event for his desire to move to CUSA is the jettison of two outlying football programs who won haven't made a bowl in a very long time?

He's also failing to mention in his article that Georgia State and it's President were two of the most staunch supporters for eliminating NMSU and Idaho to save travel. But hey, Idaho is R1 or something, so they are awesome!

On the bright side, if this whole Georgia State site doesn't work out, he'd always have a position available as a writer for Louisiana Tech.

CUSA isn't good enough for State. Haven't you heard? Their peer institutions are Memphis and Cincinnati. It's just a shame that athletically speaking, they're more on par with Longwood or Coppin State.

I understand the concept of peer institutions. AState regularly claims Memphis and Cincy as "Peer Institutions"

It's just that we happen to understand the chances of actually getting invited to another league are somewhere next to Mr Slim and Mr None, so we also counter that argument with how we should be able to grow to the level we want in the Sun Belt.

The funny part about this whole thing is that those 4 or 5 schools who want to leave the Sun Belt, didn't want Georgia State in the Sun Belt, and their admission was part of the reason some of those 4 or 5 schools decided they want out.

Then kick us out. If the Presidents don't want us here, make it so. If our athletics are so atrocious, the presidents want us around for some reason, but don't say marketz. After all, I don't know how many times people have posted on here that it is not a selling point.

Memphis and Cincy?!?!?

Memphis is our biggest rival, we'd be foolish to not claim them as a peer.