Conference USA has the same academic make-up as the Sun Belt with Rice being the statistical outlier. A couple masters-level schools, mostly doctorate schools with varying levels of research and one or two doctorate schools with very high research activity.

(03-02-2016 10:31 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 10:09 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  I guess when UAB dropped football, you forgot about the majority of the fans of the teams in the Sun Belt swore they were the best option for CUSA.

From the article...

Quote:As one of the top research universities in the southeast and the country, GSU needs to move its athletic department forward.

That is a true statement. Our athletic facilities need to catch up with our academic facilities. I also believe we need attendance stability in either basketball over 3k or football over 20k or both for a couple of years. I would say at least 5 teams from the Sun Belt would make a jump to CUSA let alone AAC if the opportunity came.

Dress for the job you want. Not the one you have. If you do that, you raise the level of the Sun Belt until you get it.

No offense Stan, but I think you and Ben are both severely overrating your academic prestige. That's not to say GSU isn't a really god school, but unless you count like 250 schools as the top research universities in the country, it's just not really one of them.

No kidding.

This guy is an endless source of idiocy.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...es/page+19

Elite academics? But can't even crack the top 200 in national rankings....

Academics has little to do with athletics. This is why most P5 teams are filled with kids that do not meet the same qualifications regular students had to meet to get in.

GS may be over the top with our football pride but GSU folks are just flat out delusional about their academic standing especially nationally. Nobody has ever uttered the phrase "You got into GaSt, you must be a genius"

(03-02-2016 10:28 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 10:13 AM)sham84 Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 10:09 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  I guess when UAB dropped football, you forgot about the majority of the fans of the teams in the Sun Belt swore they were the best option for CUSA.

Absolutely and I don't even fault any schools for wanting to make the move. My problem is Georgia State athletics and fanbase is a joke and is part of the reason the conference has been drug down and he writes as if every other school is the problem.

And when everyone up and left, we were all you could get. Which should tell you a little about the Sun Belt's position.

Look no one likes hearing their baby is ugly. At State we play in a glorified gym for basketball and a high school baseball field on steroids 8 miles away. Attendance is at best apathetic in recent history.

But we have a plan to improve, and we are executing it. A lot of it lies with Turner, but ULM doesn't exactly move the needle with our alumni and donors just like we don't with y'alls. But if we point to a Memphis or a Cincinnati, and say that is where we are going, but we can't get there like this. We need $$. We need support for Turner Field. It starts generating money. We hold up a picture of the Cajundome(which is a facility that would fit in with any AAC arena), and say we need to catch up to these guys in the Belt. You generate nothing in Atlanta. That is the truth.

Will get an invite to AAC or CUSA? Who knows? But at Georgia State we have to start taking those steps now in order to be ready. And if the invite doesn't come, we elevate the profile of the Sun Belt as we build.

It's not earth shattering info that every school wants to improve in every way possible, but that isn't what Ben Moore Wrong is saying. He clearly states that the Sun Belt has already served it's purpose and State needs to move on...now.

Ben needs to quit writing these "articles" when he's drunk.

(03-02-2016 10:31 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 10:09 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  I guess when UAB dropped football, you forgot about the majority of the fans of the teams in the Sun Belt swore they were the best option for CUSA.

From the article...

Quote:As one of the top research universities in the southeast and the country, GSU needs to move its athletic department forward.

That is a true statement. Our athletic facilities need to catch up with our academic facilities. I also believe we need attendance stability in either basketball over 3k or football over 20k or both for a couple of years. I would say at least 5 teams from the Sun Belt would make a jump to CUSA let alone AAC if the opportunity came.

Dress for the job you want. Not the one you have. If you do that, you raise the level of the Sun Belt until you get it.

No offense Stan, but I think you and Ben are both severely overrating your academic prestige.

I don't believe so.
https://research.gsu.edu/

Here are the 108 R1 research facilities
Arizona State University
Boston College
Boston University
Brandeis University
Brown University
California Institute of Technology
Carnegie Mellon University
Case Western Reserve University
Clemson University
Colorado State University
Columbia University in the City of New York
Cornell University
CUNY Graduate School and University Center
Duke University
Emory University
Florida International University
Florida State University
George Mason University
George Washington University
Georgetown University
Georgia Institute of Technology
Georgia State University
Harvard University
Indiana University-Bloomington
Iowa State University
Johns Hopkins University
Kansas State University
Louisiana State University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Michigan State University
New York University
North Carolina State University
Northeastern University
Northwestern University
Ohio State University
Oregon State University
Pennsylvania State University
Princeton University
Purdue University
Rice University
Rutgers University
Stanford University
Stony Brook University
SUNY at Albany
Syracuse University
Temple University
Texas A & M University
Texas Tech University
University of Tennessee
University of Texas at Arlington
University of Texas at Austin
University of Texas at Dallas
Tufts University
Tulane University
University at Buffalo
University of Alabama at Birmingham
University of Arizona
University of Arkansas
University of California-Berkeley
University of California-Davis
University of California-Irvine
University of California-Los Angeles
University of California-Riverside
University of California-San Diego
University of California-Santa Barbara
University of California-Santa Cruz
University of Central Florida
University of Chicago
University of Cincinnati
University of Colorado
University of Connecticut
University of Delaware
University of Florida
University of Georgia
University of Hawaii
University of Houston
University of Illinois at Chicago
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Iowa
University of Kansas
University of Kentucky
University of Louisville
University of Maryland
University of Massachusetts
University of Miami
University of Michigan
University of Minnesota
University of Mississippi
University of Missouri
University of Nebraska
University of New Mexico
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of North Texas
University of Notre Dame
University of Oklahoma
University of Oregon
University of Pennsylvania
University of Pittsburgh
University of Rochester
University of South Carolina
University of South Florida
University of Southern California
University of Utah
University of Virginia
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin-Madison
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Vanderbilt University
Virginia Commonwealth University
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Washington State University
Washington University in St Louis
Wayne State University
West Virginia University
Yale University

Ok?

So a research classification makes the entire university one of the best in the country?

Not quite

(03-02-2016 10:19 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Everytime one of you clicks that link, Ben Moore is like:

Why it is not like makes real money writing for 10 fans on that board.

(03-02-2016 10:34 AM)T-Dog Wrote:  Conference USA has the same academic make-up as the Sun Belt with Rice being the statistical outlier. A couple masters-level schools, mostly doctorate schools with varying levels of research and one or two doctorate schools with very high research activity.

Actually they have 4.

FIU
UAB
North Texas
Rice

State got a lot of additional research funding because Atlanta wanted a research university.

Look at their average freshman's academic profile...they are far from an elite university.

(Except for inside Ben's head)

(03-02-2016 10:43 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  Ok?

So a research classification makes the entire university one of the best in the country?

Not quite

You are right. They hand out hundreds of millions of dollars in research awards to these schools as a hand out.

And what does that have to do with the prestige of going to school at state?

A degree from ga state doesn't carry any more weight in the real world than any other team in the sun belt.

(03-02-2016 10:47 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 10:34 AM)T-Dog Wrote:  Conference USA has the same academic make-up as the Sun Belt with Rice being the statistical outlier. A couple masters-level schools, mostly doctorate schools with varying levels of research and one or two doctorate schools with very high research activity.

Actually they have 4.

FIU
UAB
North Texas
Rice

If only bonus points were awarded in football games for research output.

(03-02-2016 10:38 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  Academics has little to do with athletics. This is why most P5 teams are filled with kids that do not meet the same qualifications regular students had to meet to get in.

You just proved the point. The schools aren't grouped by athletics, but by who are academic peer institutions based on degrees/courses offered and research load. The jocks just get a pass.

But continue to think it is US News & World Report.

(03-02-2016 10:48 AM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  State got a lot of additional research funding because Atlanta wanted a research university.

Look at their average freshman's academic profile...they are far from an elite university.

(Except for inside Ben's head)

That's a key difference. Many of the schools the GSU writer is comparing GSU to have strong research, graduate, and residential undergraduate programs.

The undergraduate aspect has more to do with athletics than the research aspect.

(03-02-2016 10:43 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  Ok?

So a research classification makes the entire university one of the best in the country?

Not quite

Professors and very small population of the actual student base has anything to do with it. It has little to no bearing on the undergrad at GaSt or rep of undergrad degrees. This is why most of those schools show up in overall national rankings and GaSt is RNP. They are great schools from top to bottom nationally and GaSt if far from it.

If you HAVE to tell people you are a great academic school you probably are not one. Nobody has to tell anyone in GA or in the country GT and Emory are great schools they just know it.

(03-02-2016 10:55 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(03-02-2016 10:43 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  Ok?

So a research classification makes the entire university one of the best in the country?

Not quite

Professors and very small population of the actual student base has anything to do with it. It has little to no bearing on the undergrad at GaSt or rep of undergrad degrees. This is why most of those schools show up in overall national rankings and GaSt is RNP. They are great schools from top to bottom nationally and GaSt if far from it.

If you HAVE to tell people you are a great academic school you probably are not one. Nobody has to tell anyone in GA or in the country GT and Emory are great schools they just know it.

THIS!

And in the real world, perception is reality.

(03-02-2016 10:19 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  Everytime one of you clicks that link, Ben Moore is like:

Was thinking the same thing. LOL! PT getting some nice offseason revenue.

Dam, Ben Moore thinks they will end up being a replacement for either, Alabama, Auburn, or MissSt when the SEC kicks these 3 out because they are not on the list that Stan supplied us.

By the way, pretty disingenuous thread when 4 or 5 schools are working on getting out. LOL

(03-02-2016 10:50 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  And what does that have to do with the prestige of going to school at state?

A degree from ga state doesn't carry any more weight in the real world than any other team in the sun belt.

To which GSU MBA and Law grads say...



LOL

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