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(04-07-2016 09:51 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Basketball players(Coaches) in particular moving from a program like UNCW that gave them a chance , they have a great season and look to move up the chain is my problem with this. Lets say that Flemmings or Bryce(Keatts) decided to transfer,are you ok with him going to UNC or Duke? Have a good year and get recruited away from the school that gave you a chance is showing zero gratitude and is an emerging problem in college basketball. UNCW could easily fall prey to this deal and I don't like where it is headed.
04-08-2016 05:11 AM
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(04-07-2016 09:51 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Lets say that Flemmings or Bryce decide to transfer,are you ok with them going to UNC or Duke?

Yes, if they ball out and they think that transferring gives them a better opportunity to play professionally, or reach whatever professional goals they have I am okay with it.

(04-07-2016 09:51 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Have a good year and get recruited away from the school that gave you a chance is showing zero gratitude and is an emerging problem in college basketball.

How much money did the Big South and UNCA make from their post-season birth? How much of that money did Sutton receive? Whatever gratitude you think Sutton owes UNCA, it's been paid in full.

(04-07-2016 09:51 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I don't like where it is headed.

Welcome to 2016. It's not headed there, we're there. It's not ideal, but it's not classless, as you initially suggested. It's a business and Keatts, Bass, & UNCW have an obligation to field competitive basketball teams (with STUDENT-athletes we can be proud of in the classroom and on the hardwood). They have no obligation to UNCA or whatever antiquated ideals you espouse.

Have you ever changed companies? When you left, was it classless or displaying a lack of gratitude? Or, did you give them your best on a daily basis and leave for more money or a better opportunity? It's not all about self, but if Sutton has an opportunity to better his circumstances, it doesn't make him a bad guy, and UNCW is not classless for giving him an opportunity.

The NCAA is making millions and we're going to attack kids for trying to get ahead.

(04-07-2016 09:53 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  You guys are pretty freaking naive,its a big mean world out there....

Pot, meet kettle.
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04-08-2016 07:41 AM
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When it happens at UNCW I doubt any fan likes it and you guys will cry foul. Lets say that Coach K told Flemmings we have a spot for you during the after game discussion-he said something to him,I guess that's ok with you?
That is how it works,they see someone they think can help them and start recruiting them while they play for another college team. Its called tampering in the NBA but its ok in college ball?
UNCA is a prime example of this. They have lost a really good player for the last 3 years to major programs after they do the work. Its like a minor league system for P5 teams. It is 100% classless but it's what I expect from the big boys,anything to win.
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04-08-2016 08:40 AM
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You are pretty freaking naive. Its a big mean world out there.
04-08-2016 10:04 AM
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You mean like Adam Smith. It's already happened and we had to live with it. We won't like it if/when it happens again. But there's nothing we can do but move on.
04-08-2016 12:08 PM
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They transfer out of Duke and Carolina as well. Happens to everyone.
04-08-2016 12:33 PM
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FYI...Ingram, Bryan, Charlotte, UNC system, so what?
04-08-2016 12:35 PM
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A university is a business. College basketball is a business. College basketball players are the employees and they are paid with room, board, and some other perks. For most it is a great deal. For some it is not. However to limit their ability to move from one business to another when the university/business/employer can drop them without cause for no reason at any time is hypocritical.
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OTOH, the Duke/UNCW game drew 3.224 million viewers on CBS that Thursday afternoon. And that is probably an undercounted number since it only counts people watching at home.

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/sports-a...14-20.html
04-08-2016 03:48 PM
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Sutton is going to Louisville as a walk on
04-08-2016 05:46 PM
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Heard a good conversation this weekend from some ACC guys and they believe in the next 5-10 years the P5 schools will leave the NCAA and have their own TV deal with a built in championship tournament for football and basketball. They have some kind of opt out for the current TV deals in place. Turns out the TV contracts are for members of the NCAA and if are you not a member I guess that means you are of the hook. I think it will happen at some point but not as soon as they seem to think it could happen. Two of these guys work at NCSU and another for Wake Forest. Sounds very complicated but money talks and they want the money.
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(04-11-2016 08:07 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Heard a good conversation this weekend from some ACC guys and they believe in the next 5-10 years the P5 schools will leave the NCAA and have their own TV deal with a built in championship tournament for football and basketball. They have some kind of opt out for the current TV deals in place. Turns out the TV contracts are for members of the NCAA and if are you not a member I guess that means you are of the hook. I think it will happen at some point but not as soon as they seem to think it could happen. Two of these guys work at NCSU and another for Wake Forest. Sounds very complicated but money talks and they want the money.

Wouldn't surprise me if they go that route, but they'd have to leave for ALL sports I would imagine. I doubt the NCAA would allow a partial separation. Due to that, I agree... possible, but not within 5-10 years.
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The problem they will face is that the majority are state supported schools. They will find themselves in a battle with their state legislators and the non-P5 state schools.

In the end, they are still universities and they will be controlled by the university systems. If the move is detrimental to the university system as a whole, it will never get off the ground.
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Its all about the money and the money is huge.
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That's not a new conversation.
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Its new to me when it comes from people who work in that field. They have a decent understanding of how it would work and its pretty simple. The NCAA has become so incompetent that the P5 has no alternative unless they decide to continue giving their money away. Billions of dollars at stake and most schools don't figure into the equation. Its a totally separate deal from education,makes it a lot easier to cut and run for state schools.
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(04-12-2016 09:11 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Its new to me when it comes from people who work in that field. They have a decent understanding of how it would work and its pretty simple. The NCAA has become so incompetent that the P5 has no alternative unless they decide to continue giving their money away. Billions of dollars at stake and most schools don't figure into the equation. Its a totally separate deal from education,makes it a lot easier to cut and run for state schools.

It will never be a totally separate deal from education....they're colleges....
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