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RE: Breaking: SBC Holding Teleconference tomorrow at 2PM (Central)
(04-11-2016 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-11-2016 09:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-11-2016 09:22 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
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(04-10-2016 10:42 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  They're providing it out of our share of conference payout.

No real news out of NMSU lately.

The President has spoken semi-favorably of FCS in the past, and has apparently talked with just about every FBS and FCS conference around. But still weighing the decision. As one would expect, the AD is strongly in favor of staying at FBS.

One aspect that NMSU has to consider that Idaho does not is the condition of our Olympic sports conference. The WAC hasn't been very stable since everyone bolted a few years ago, and now with Chicago State having extreme financial difficulties - things are even less stable.

NMSU has to address that issue as well as football.

Have to think the Summit League would be interested, not sure if their sports sponsored matches up. Sure looks like a better combination of schools.

Valley would be great but they don't seem to be particularly aggressive on expansion.

I don't think the Summit is any better than the WAC. The WAC is easier for travel and has a couple of good teams, but would NMSU be more interested in playing in the Dakotas and Indiana than around the current region they play in the WAC?

The Summit is far more stable and has a much better lineup. If youre in Las Cruces, you're not going to have much of a 'bus' schedule anyway. The problem with the WAC is that one team might not even be an academic institution next year (Chicago State), one is a non-traditional institution (Grand Canyon, Inc.), and the others can't find another place to play. The WAC right now is the 'land of the misfit toys'. No one wants to be there.

NMSU is a valuable product in Oly sports.

Exactly, Summit is more stable and arguably as good or better as the WAC if you take NMSU out of the equation.
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RE: Breaking: SBC Holding Teleconference tomorrow at 2PM (Central)
(04-12-2016 09:43 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2016 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-11-2016 09:29 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-11-2016 09:22 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-10-2016 04:22 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  No real news out of NMSU lately.

The President has spoken semi-favorably of FCS in the past, and has apparently talked with just about every FBS and FCS conference around. But still weighing the decision. As one would expect, the AD is strongly in favor of staying at FBS.

One aspect that NMSU has to consider that Idaho does not is the condition of our Olympic sports conference. The WAC hasn't been very stable since everyone bolted a few years ago, and now with Chicago State having extreme financial difficulties - things are even less stable.

NMSU has to address that issue as well as football.

Have to think the Summit League would be interested, not sure if their sports sponsored matches up. Sure looks like a better combination of schools.

Valley would be great but they don't seem to be particularly aggressive on expansion.

I don't think the Summit is any better than the WAC. The WAC is easier for travel and has a couple of good teams, but would NMSU be more interested in playing in the Dakotas and Indiana than around the current region they play in the WAC?

The Summit is far more stable and has a much better lineup. If youre in Las Cruces, you're not going to have much of a 'bus' schedule anyway. The problem with the WAC is that one team might not even be an academic institution next year (Chicago State), one is a non-traditional institution (Grand Canyon, Inc.), and the others can't find another place to play. The WAC right now is the 'land of the misfit toys'. No one wants to be there.

NMSU is a valuable product in Oly sports.

Exactly, Summit is more stable and arguably as good or better as the WAC if you take NMSU out of the equation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- the Big Sky not jumping on the chance to give NMSU the same oly sports deal as we have is Exhibit #1,246 illustrating why we shouldn't get any more involved with that conference than we already are.

NMSU is an opportunity to seriously upgrade basketball and bring in another great public university that isn't terribly far outside the current footprint. Plus, it's another crack in the door of FBS football. The Big Sky thinks too small, and it's full of schools happy to be 3rd- or 4th-tier.
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RE: Breaking: SBC Holding Teleconference tomorrow at 2PM (Central)
(04-11-2016 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The Summit is far more stable and has a much better lineup. If youre in Las Cruces, you're not going to have much of a 'bus' schedule anyway. The problem with the WAC is that one team might not even be an academic institution next year (Chicago State), one is a non-traditional institution (Grand Canyon, Inc.), and the others can't find another place to play. The WAC right now is the 'land of the misfit toys'. No one wants to be there.

NMSU is a valuable product in Oly sports.

The Summit is not that stable. The Summit has nine basketball schools, six baseball schools and seven soccer schools. The WAC has eight basketball schools, ten baseball schools and eleven soccer schools. They are both one bid leagues for basketball. They are both spread out, but the WAC has the bigger markets.

Chicago State will be fine once the state budget crisis ends. The politicians in Illinois are not going to close down a predominantly black school on the South Side of Chicago. They will eventually agree to a budget for their own survival. It is not just Chicago State. No public university in Illinois has received state funding in the past year.

Grand Canyon is the school you want in your conference. They will eventually have the most value of any Olympic sports school in the WAC. They are coming off a 27-7 season with an RPI of 88. Next season, their non-conference schedule has games at Duke, at Arizona, at Penn State, at Illinois plus tournament games with Cincinnati and Rhode Island. Their home schedule has Louisville and San Diego State. Grand Canyon is the one possible bus trip opponent for NMSU in the WAC. It is about a 390 mile drive.

If NMSU decides to give Independence a shot, they should just stay in the WAC. The Summit does not offer anything they can't get in the WAC. The Big West is a west coast bus league and they would not get the travel subsidy that the other Big West schools get for flying to Hawaii. They might have to pay a travel subsidy in the Big West. The MVC is a midwest bus league and probably not a great fit for NMSU.
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RE: Breaking: SBC Holding Teleconference tomorrow at 2PM (Central)
(04-12-2016 05:53 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-11-2016 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The Summit is far more stable and has a much better lineup. If youre in Las Cruces, you're not going to have much of a 'bus' schedule anyway. The problem with the WAC is that one team might not even be an academic institution next year (Chicago State), one is a non-traditional institution (Grand Canyon, Inc.), and the others can't find another place to play. The WAC right now is the 'land of the misfit toys'. No one wants to be there.

NMSU is a valuable product in Oly sports.

The Summit is not that stable. The Summit has nine basketball schools, six baseball schools and seven soccer schools. The WAC has eight basketball schools, ten baseball schools and eleven soccer schools. They are both one bid leagues for basketball. They are both spread out, but the WAC has the bigger markets.

Chicago State will be fine once the state budget crisis ends. The politicians in Illinois are not going to close down a predominantly black school on the South Side of Chicago. They will eventually agree to a budget for their own survival. It is not just Chicago State. No public university in Illinois has received state funding in the past year.

Grand Canyon is the school you want in your conference. They will eventually have the most value of any Olympic sports school in the WAC. They are coming off a 27-7 season with an RPI of 88. Next season, their non-conference schedule has games at Duke, at Arizona, at Penn State, at Illinois plus tournament games with Cincinnati and Rhode Island. Their home schedule has Louisville and San Diego State. Grand Canyon is the one possible bus trip opponent for NMSU in the WAC. It is about a 390 mile drive.

If NMSU decides to give Independence a shot, they should just stay in the WAC. The Summit does not offer anything they can't get in the WAC. The Big West is a west coast bus league and they would not get the travel subsidy that the other Big West schools get for flying to Hawaii. They might have to pay a travel subsidy in the Big West. The MVC is a midwest bus league and probably not a great fit for NMSU.
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Side thought about New Mexico State & the WAC: I think that league really missed an opportunity to be what I'd call a western version of the Big East during the realignment from 2010 to 2013.

Once it became clear that sponsoring football would no longer be a possibility, the WAC could have invited all the best basketball schools that don't sponsor football (or don't have a home for football).

Imagine:

New Mexico State
Denver (who was invited early on in the process)
Seattle (also invited early on and remains in the WAC today)
Idaho (if they chose to stay instead of going to the Big Sky)
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Long Beach State
San Diego
Pacific
Grand Canyon

Perhaps some other Big West or WCC schools could have been invited as well, or perhaps UT-Arlington.

If schools had been invited collectively, with the WAC commissioner offering the vision of being the premier basketball-focused conference of the western United States, it may have worked. That league, if not a "western Big East," at least would have been on par with the Atlantic 10. Instead, the WAC just got anyone they could, no matter how ill-prepared to be competitive at the D1 level those schools were (Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield, Chicago State come to mind).
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RE: Breaking: SBC Holding Teleconference tomorrow at 2PM (Central)
(04-13-2016 09:54 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Side thought about New Mexico State & the WAC: I think that league really missed an opportunity to be what I'd call a western version of the Big East during the realignment from 2010 to 2013.

Once it became clear that sponsoring football would no longer be a possibility, the WAC could have invited all the best basketball schools that don't sponsor football (or don't have a home for football).

Imagine:

New Mexico State
Denver (who was invited early on in the process)
Seattle (also invited early on and remains in the WAC today)
Idaho (if they chose to stay instead of going to the Big Sky)
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Long Beach State
San Diego
Pacific
Grand Canyon

Perhaps some other Big West or WCC schools could have been invited as well, or perhaps UT-Arlington.

If schools had been invited collectively, with the WAC commissioner offering the vision of being the premier basketball-focused conference of the western United States, it may have worked. That league, if not a "western Big East," at least would have been on par with the Atlantic 10. Instead, the WAC just got anyone they could, no matter how ill-prepared to be competitive at the D1 level those schools were (Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield, Chicago State come to mind).

I'm sure Idaho/NMSU would have gone for this, but I can't say the same for Gonzaga or any of the CA schools. I think they're happy in the WCC/Big West unless someone offers a serious upgrade.

Once the WAC was down to Idaho/NMSU/Seattle and in desperation mode I just don't think it had the ability to bring those sorts of schools in.
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RE: Breaking: SBC Holding Teleconference tomorrow at 2PM (Central)
(04-13-2016 09:54 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Side thought about New Mexico State & the WAC: I think that league really missed an opportunity to be what I'd call a western version of the Big East during the realignment from 2010 to 2013.

Once it became clear that sponsoring football would no longer be a possibility, the WAC could have invited all the best basketball schools that don't sponsor football (or don't have a home for football).

Imagine:

New Mexico State
Denver (who was invited early on in the process)
Seattle (also invited early on and remains in the WAC today)
Idaho (if they chose to stay instead of going to the Big Sky)
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Long Beach State
San Diego
Pacific
Grand Canyon

Perhaps some other Big West or WCC schools could have been invited as well, or perhaps UT-Arlington.

If schools had been invited collectively, with the WAC commissioner offering the vision of being the premier basketball-focused conference of the western United States, it may have worked. That league, if not a "western Big East," at least would have been on par with the Atlantic 10. Instead, the WAC just got anyone they could, no matter how ill-prepared to be competitive at the D1 level those schools were (Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield, Chicago State come to mind).
Denver was in the WAC until Grand Canyon was invited. Once that happened they left for the summit. They want no part of GCU.

Seattle and best basketball do not go in the same sentence. They wouldn't have helped in getting Gonzaga or any other west coast schools to join the WAC. Especially the WCC schools. They are still pissed at Seattle for leaving in the 1980's.

The WAC commissioner has to check with Karl Benson on which direction to take the WAC. So he wouldn't even have attempted what you have suggested.
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RE: Breaking: SBC Holding Teleconference tomorrow at 2PM (Central)
(04-13-2016 10:59 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 09:54 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Side thought about New Mexico State & the WAC: I think that league really missed an opportunity to be what I'd call a western version of the Big East during the realignment from 2010 to 2013.

Once it became clear that sponsoring football would no longer be a possibility, the WAC could have invited all the best basketball schools that don't sponsor football (or don't have a home for football).

Imagine:

New Mexico State
Denver (who was invited early on in the process)
Seattle (also invited early on and remains in the WAC today)
Idaho (if they chose to stay instead of going to the Big Sky)
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Long Beach State
San Diego
Pacific
Grand Canyon

Perhaps some other Big West or WCC schools could have been invited as well, or perhaps UT-Arlington.

If schools had been invited collectively, with the WAC commissioner offering the vision of being the premier basketball-focused conference of the western United States, it may have worked. That league, if not a "western Big East," at least would have been on par with the Atlantic 10. Instead, the WAC just got anyone they could, no matter how ill-prepared to be competitive at the D1 level those schools were (Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield, Chicago State come to mind).

I'm sure Idaho/NMSU would have gone for this, but I can't say the same for Gonzaga or any of the CA schools. I think they're happy in the WCC/Big West unless someone offers a serious upgrade.

Once the WAC was down to Idaho/NMSU/Seattle and in desperation mode I just don't think it had the ability to bring those sorts of schools in.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3660723-155...-of-wcc-is

Mark Few isn't too pleased with the West Coast Conference. That doesn't mean his college president of board of directors feels the same, but I imagine that guy's opinion matters at that school.

I realize Seattle doesn't have great basketball, but they were already in the league. The idea was to take advantage of low membership numbers by inviting all the best available western basketball schools.
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Nothing earth shattering, but NMSU is forming an "Athletic Review Committeeā€¯ to advise the president and the Regents on options, regarding both Football and the WAC.
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(04-13-2016 12:09 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 10:59 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 09:54 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Side thought about New Mexico State & the WAC: I think that league really missed an opportunity to be what I'd call a western version of the Big East during the realignment from 2010 to 2013.

Once it became clear that sponsoring football would no longer be a possibility, the WAC could have invited all the best basketball schools that don't sponsor football (or don't have a home for football).

Imagine:

New Mexico State
Denver (who was invited early on in the process)
Seattle (also invited early on and remains in the WAC today)
Idaho (if they chose to stay instead of going to the Big Sky)
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Long Beach State
San Diego
Pacific
Grand Canyon

Perhaps some other Big West or WCC schools could have been invited as well, or perhaps UT-Arlington.

If schools had been invited collectively, with the WAC commissioner offering the vision of being the premier basketball-focused conference of the western United States, it may have worked. That league, if not a "western Big East," at least would have been on par with the Atlantic 10. Instead, the WAC just got anyone they could, no matter how ill-prepared to be competitive at the D1 level those schools were (Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield, Chicago State come to mind).

I'm sure Idaho/NMSU would have gone for this, but I can't say the same for Gonzaga or any of the CA schools. I think they're happy in the WCC/Big West unless someone offers a serious upgrade.

Once the WAC was down to Idaho/NMSU/Seattle and in desperation mode I just don't think it had the ability to bring those sorts of schools in.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3660723-155...-of-wcc-is

Mark Few isn't too pleased with the West Coast Conference. That doesn't mean his college president of board of directors feels the same, but I imagine that guy's opinion matters at that school.

I realize Seattle doesn't have great basketball, but they were already in the league. The idea was to take advantage of low membership numbers by inviting all the best available western basketball schools.

Gonzaga has definitely been cranky about their conference, and scheduling in general, lately -- they also ended a longstanding series with Washington St. this year over RPI concerns, and stopped playing Idaho a few years ago. I just don't think they'd view what you're talking about as enough of an upgrade to leave the WCC (including BYU, historically a better program than any of those you mentioned) behind.
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Jason Groves @JPGroves

Spoke w/Regent Chair Deborah Hicks on thoughts behind committee: I want input at the beginning rather than backlash in the end


Jason Groves @JPGroves

Hicks gave me a timeframe of 2 months to gather input/analysis. That to me is more realistic than the year that Carruthers talked about

Jason Groves @JPGroves

I asked Hicks if NMSU secured an invite to the Big Sky, would they take it given the state of the WAC but knowing what it meant for football

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Hicks said "We have a lot of stakeholders for football"
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RE: Breaking: SBC Holding Teleconference tomorrow at 2PM (Central)
(04-13-2016 04:41 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 12:09 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 10:59 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 09:54 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Side thought about New Mexico State & the WAC: I think that league really missed an opportunity to be what I'd call a western version of the Big East during the realignment from 2010 to 2013.

Once it became clear that sponsoring football would no longer be a possibility, the WAC could have invited all the best basketball schools that don't sponsor football (or don't have a home for football).

Imagine:

New Mexico State
Denver (who was invited early on in the process)
Seattle (also invited early on and remains in the WAC today)
Idaho (if they chose to stay instead of going to the Big Sky)
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Long Beach State
San Diego
Pacific
Grand Canyon

Perhaps some other Big West or WCC schools could have been invited as well, or perhaps UT-Arlington.

If schools had been invited collectively, with the WAC commissioner offering the vision of being the premier basketball-focused conference of the western United States, it may have worked. That league, if not a "western Big East," at least would have been on par with the Atlantic 10. Instead, the WAC just got anyone they could, no matter how ill-prepared to be competitive at the D1 level those schools were (Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield, Chicago State come to mind).

I'm sure Idaho/NMSU would have gone for this, but I can't say the same for Gonzaga or any of the CA schools. I think they're happy in the WCC/Big West unless someone offers a serious upgrade.

Once the WAC was down to Idaho/NMSU/Seattle and in desperation mode I just don't think it had the ability to bring those sorts of schools in.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3660723-155...-of-wcc-is

Mark Few isn't too pleased with the West Coast Conference. That doesn't mean his college president of board of directors feels the same, but I imagine that guy's opinion matters at that school.

I realize Seattle doesn't have great basketball, but they were already in the league. The idea was to take advantage of low membership numbers by inviting all the best available western basketball schools.

Gonzaga has definitely been cranky about their conference, and scheduling in general, lately -- they also ended a longstanding series with Washington St. this year over RPI concerns, and stopped playing Idaho a few years ago. I just don't think they'd view what you're talking about as enough of an upgrade to leave the WCC (including BYU, historically a better program than any of those you mentioned) behind.

Barring some Big East expansion that takes Gonzaga and Wichita State, there's really no place else for them to go. Trying to split apart the WCC just for a marginal benefit isn't going to do much for Gonzaga. They're kind of stuck. But don't feel too bad for them. The WCC isn't going to be a RPI killer. They'll still get a good seed or an at large with some good OOC wins.

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But lets get real. No conference or combinations of conferences are going to split themselves into bits in order to help NMSU or Idaho. They'll have to work with the conferences as they exist (or with minor adjustments).

Of the conferences mentioned as possible landing spots for NMSU basketball (assuming that the Missouri Valley is out as is the WCC) the choices are

1) The Horizon - Probably the best basketball conference. Way outside the footprint though
2) The Summit - Probably the best fit.
3) The Big Sky - A stable conference. Makes sense
4) The Big West - Are they interested in expanding the footprint?

I don't think the Horizon or the Big West are really on the table for NMSU. Both the Big Sky and the Summit are far better than the WAC IMHO.
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It still comes out of the $ that would be going to the membership. Is my understanding the league was paying $125K for traveling to Idaho and around $90K to NMSU. That's a lot of cash.
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(04-13-2016 04:41 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 12:09 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 10:59 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 09:54 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Side thought about New Mexico State & the WAC: I think that league really missed an opportunity to be what I'd call a western version of the Big East during the realignment from 2010 to 2013.

Once it became clear that sponsoring football would no longer be a possibility, the WAC could have invited all the best basketball schools that don't sponsor football (or don't have a home for football).

Imagine:

New Mexico State
Denver (who was invited early on in the process)
Seattle (also invited early on and remains in the WAC today)
Idaho (if they chose to stay instead of going to the Big Sky)
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Long Beach State
San Diego
Pacific
Grand Canyon

Perhaps some other Big West or WCC schools could have been invited as well, or perhaps UT-Arlington.

If schools had been invited collectively, with the WAC commissioner offering the vision of being the premier basketball-focused conference of the western United States, it may have worked. That league, if not a "western Big East," at least would have been on par with the Atlantic 10. Instead, the WAC just got anyone they could, no matter how ill-prepared to be competitive at the D1 level those schools were (Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield, Chicago State come to mind).

I'm sure Idaho/NMSU would have gone for this, but I can't say the same for Gonzaga or any of the CA schools. I think they're happy in the WCC/Big West unless someone offers a serious upgrade.

Once the WAC was down to Idaho/NMSU/Seattle and in desperation mode I just don't think it had the ability to bring those sorts of schools in.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3660723-155...-of-wcc-is

Mark Few isn't too pleased with the West Coast Conference. That doesn't mean his college president of board of directors feels the same, but I imagine that guy's opinion matters at that school.

I realize Seattle doesn't have great basketball, but they were already in the league. The idea was to take advantage of low membership numbers by inviting all the best available western basketball schools.

Gonzaga has definitely been cranky about their conference, and scheduling in general, lately -- they also ended a longstanding series with Washington St. this year over RPI concerns, and stopped playing Idaho a few years ago. I just don't think they'd view what you're talking about as enough of an upgrade to leave the WCC (including BYU, historically a better program than any of those you mentioned) behind.

Ah, how'd I forget to include BYU on that list?
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(04-13-2016 07:56 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 04:41 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 12:09 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 10:59 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(04-13-2016 09:54 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Side thought about New Mexico State & the WAC: I think that league really missed an opportunity to be what I'd call a western version of the Big East during the realignment from 2010 to 2013.

Once it became clear that sponsoring football would no longer be a possibility, the WAC could have invited all the best basketball schools that don't sponsor football (or don't have a home for football).

Imagine:

New Mexico State
Denver (who was invited early on in the process)
Seattle (also invited early on and remains in the WAC today)
Idaho (if they chose to stay instead of going to the Big Sky)
Gonzaga
St. Mary's
Long Beach State
San Diego
Pacific
Grand Canyon

Perhaps some other Big West or WCC schools could have been invited as well, or perhaps UT-Arlington.

If schools had been invited collectively, with the WAC commissioner offering the vision of being the premier basketball-focused conference of the western United States, it may have worked. That league, if not a "western Big East," at least would have been on par with the Atlantic 10. Instead, the WAC just got anyone they could, no matter how ill-prepared to be competitive at the D1 level those schools were (Utah Valley, Cal State Bakersfield, Chicago State come to mind).

I'm sure Idaho/NMSU would have gone for this, but I can't say the same for Gonzaga or any of the CA schools. I think they're happy in the WCC/Big West unless someone offers a serious upgrade.

Once the WAC was down to Idaho/NMSU/Seattle and in desperation mode I just don't think it had the ability to bring those sorts of schools in.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/3660723-155...-of-wcc-is

Mark Few isn't too pleased with the West Coast Conference. That doesn't mean his college president of board of directors feels the same, but I imagine that guy's opinion matters at that school.

I realize Seattle doesn't have great basketball, but they were already in the league. The idea was to take advantage of low membership numbers by inviting all the best available western basketball schools.

Gonzaga has definitely been cranky about their conference, and scheduling in general, lately -- they also ended a longstanding series with Washington St. this year over RPI concerns, and stopped playing Idaho a few years ago. I just don't think they'd view what you're talking about as enough of an upgrade to leave the WCC (including BYU, historically a better program than any of those you mentioned) behind.

Ah, how'd I forget to include BYU on that list?

BYU will be in the B-12 with Cinn. in a couple of years. NMST can join CUSA all sports then if the AAC takes one of their members if they can't convince Army to join of if they don't pick up UMASS. 07-coffee3
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