(04-09-2016 07:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(04-09-2016 03:51 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I don't really see the SEC and ACC dividing things up equitably.

I actually think it's more likely the SEC guts the Big 12 next time around in order to avoid taking schools they don't really want in the interim. The ACC can't afford to take schools that bring down their average value either for that matter. Their network will depend on adding quality programs.

What about this?

The SEC adds Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa State. It's a very solid 18.

The ACC agrees to stay together and in so doing gets Notre Dame to go all in. They also take West Virginia, UConn, and Cincinnati to round out at 18.

ESPN works a deal to create a new Big 12 where all the remnants get to remain a Power conference, but it will be the weakest of the Power 5. The kicker is that this new conference and the ACC will share a network. It will have broader reach and access to numerous markets that one league could never obtain on its own.

New league could look something like this:

West: San Diego State, UNLV, BYU, Boise State, New Mexico, Colorado State

East: Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Oklahoma State, Kansas State

I could see this happening but if the ACC & the B12 were to share a conference network wouldn't it make more sense to put UCONN & Cincinnati in the B12? The ACC & the B12 could split into a 3x5.

ACC
ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Miami, BC

Louisville, VT, NC, Duke, Virginia

FSU, Clemson, GT, NC State, WF

B12
Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Colorado State

TT, BYU, San Diego State, Boise State, UNLV

WV, Cincinnati, UCONN, Temple, Houston

I just threw Cincinnati and UConn in there for the markets. They actually aren't even necessary.

But the reason I put them in the ACC is that the Big 12 would become a Western/Midwestern league geographically while the ACC maintains its East Coast core. Notice that I moved WVU to the ACC as well. The reason I set it up like that is because most of the current AAC teams overlap with ACC markets and so they don't bring a lot of value to a shared network. At that point, you might as well align things geographically.

Any of those schools...WVU, Cincy, or UConn...would be a geographical stretch for a new Big 12.

If ESPN bundled the SECN and the ACC/Big 12 shared network together then they could both have a strong national reach. ESPN controls more content and does it in multiple regions of the country which helps with filling time slots. Also, the idea of having the two leagues share a network allows ESPN to maintain a lot of content on other platforms. If both conferences got their own network or if ESPN lost several properties to the Big Ten then they will have more trouble filling out their schedule outside of the conference networks.

you'll never break up the colleges in NC and VA, Clemson, and G Tech. there is a small possiblity with the rest but not likely. Lousville to the Big 10 might most viable from Lville's standpoint but doubt Bi 10 would take them.

The ACC is stronger than the Big12.

They'll both survive in some form or fashion....there's too much content to backload.

(05-06-2016 11:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  They'll both survive in some form or fashion....there's too much content to backload.

Or will the rats swamp out one of those boats much like the old Big East?

(05-06-2016 01:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  They'll both survive in some form or fashion....there's too much content to backload.

Or will the rats swamp out one of those boats much like the old Big East?

the old Big East was unstable as hell...there was a real conflict of power between the basketball and football schools

They had a total of 8 schools get picked too....hard to keep refilling when you didn't have a lot of stock in the first place

The Big XII is highly unstable, but I don't see them getting heavily raided....Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are potential raids/leaving teams....

A lot of the Big XII is highly undesirable

I think the days of thinking about the ACC getting raided are coming to an end as well....I think ESPN will get them a network soon

(05-06-2016 01:26 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 01:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  They'll both survive in some form or fashion....there's too much content to backload.

Or will the rats swamp out one of those boats much like the old Big East?

the old Big East was unstable as hell...there was a real conflict of power between the basketball and football schools

They had a total of 8 schools get picked too....hard to keep refilling when you didn't have a lot of stock in the first place

The Big XII is highly unstable, but I don't see them getting heavily raided....Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are potential raids/leaving teams....

A lot of the Big XII is highly undesirable

I think the days of thinking about the ACC getting raided are coming to an end as well....I think ESPN will get them a network soon

That goes along with what I was saying.

If Texas/Kansas/OU were to leave you'd see the others leave quickly as well. At that point backfilling with the programs that are available would sink the Big12. That's what I was hinting at.

(05-06-2016 01:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 01:26 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 01:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  They'll both survive in some form or fashion....there's too much content to backload.

Or will the rats swamp out one of those boats much like the old Big East?

the old Big East was unstable as hell...there was a real conflict of power between the basketball and football schools

They had a total of 8 schools get picked too....hard to keep refilling when you didn't have a lot of stock in the first place

The Big XII is highly unstable, but I don't see them getting heavily raided....Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are potential raids/leaving teams....

A lot of the Big XII is highly undesirable

I think the days of thinking about the ACC getting raided are coming to an end as well....I think ESPN will get them a network soon

That goes along with what I was saying.

If Texas/Kansas/OU were to leave you'd see the others leave quickly as well. At that point backfilling with the programs that are available would sink the Big12. That's what I was hinting at.

The only thing that would keep the B12 afloat after losing those three would be Fox and ESPN maintaining that payout to the leftover schools and then backfilling while still maintaining P5 status. That could be used to form the intermediate conference between the P5's and G5's while providing watchable midweek games for the networks to show.

Let's see: TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State, West Virginia, BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, UConn, Houston. That would be a good foundation for some quality football and basketball programming that I think the networks would be willing to pay for. Not to mention, the winner of that conference could easily challenge and earn a playoff spot.

Sunday night realignment brain fart:

1. Assume OU leaves B12, lands in SEC.
2. B12 surveys the landscape, decides to move all remaining schools to the PAC to form the PAC 20. OU given their TV rights without argument as long as the SEC takes WVU(and TV rights) off their hands.
3. PAC 20 would retain the Rose Bowl and the Sugar Bowl spots. PAC schools still allowed to have regional networks of a single or multiple PAC schools if they so choice.
4. FOX & ESPN obtain 51% equity of PAC Network
5. Conference semifinals approved.
6. G5 programs allowed to play each other's champions to improve their odds of making 4 team CFP. A G5 council oversees this selection process.

No way Texas A&m allows Texas into the SEC. That is why I say them to the ACC is more viable.

(05-08-2016 06:09 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 01:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 01:26 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 01:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 11:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  They'll both survive in some form or fashion....there's too much content to backload.

Or will the rats swamp out one of those boats much like the old Big East?

the old Big East was unstable as hell...there was a real conflict of power between the basketball and football schools

They had a total of 8 schools get picked too....hard to keep refilling when you didn't have a lot of stock in the first place

The Big XII is highly unstable, but I don't see them getting heavily raided....Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas are potential raids/leaving teams....

A lot of the Big XII is highly undesirable

I think the days of thinking about the ACC getting raided are coming to an end as well....I think ESPN will get them a network soon

That goes along with what I was saying.

If Texas/Kansas/OU were to leave you'd see the others leave quickly as well. At that point backfilling with the programs that are available would sink the Big12. That's what I was hinting at.

The only thing that would keep the B12 afloat after losing those three would be Fox and ESPN maintaining that payout to the leftover schools and then backfilling while still maintaining P5 status. That could be used to form the intermediate conference between the P5's and G5's while providing watchable midweek games for the networks to show.

Let's see: TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Iowa State, West Virginia, BYU, Boise State, Cincinnati, UConn, Houston. That would be a good foundation for some quality football and basketball programming that I think the networks would be willing to pay for. Not to mention, the winner of that conference could easily challenge and earn a playoff spot.

It's certainly possible but the leftover conference doesn't pass the eyeball test. That looks more like the AAC than a P5 conference even if it is closer than the AAC is to being one.

In my opinion, that would set up a P4 situation. Every P5 conference has at least one elite program. That would have none.

Question: Say the ACCN is going to happen in a couple of years, start date pretty much set. What if OU defected to the SEC, any chance the SEC could convince ESPN/ACC to give us one of VT or NC State as it would allow the ACCN to add another market for their network?

(05-12-2016 06:06 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Question: Say the ACCN is going to happen in a couple of years, start date pretty much set. What if OU defected to the SEC, any chance the SEC could convince ESPN/ACC to give us one of VT or NC State as it would allow the ACCN to add another market for their network?

Well if we get OU it will probably come at the price of another Big 12 school (think Oklahoma State). But if we ever got that kind of workaround Virginia Tech might be possible, but N.C. State would be locked down by their regents the majority of which are Tar Heel grads. But I don't see that happening.

I'm going to go with both surviving right now. But it becomes a question of how much money is too little for the likes of FSU, Clemson, Texas and Oklahoma. If we are purely talking about athletics then is a difference of $10 million really going to put programs behind at a serious competitive disadvantage? The success of TCU, Louisville , Utah and Boise St. say otherwise if you make smart decisions.

But if this chase is really about finding guaranteed revenues streams for the university's survival as JR suggests, then schools like FSU, Clemson, Texas and Oklahoma will have no choice but to seek greener pastures.