(01-31-2016 10:06 PM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 09:34 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  Sounded like a great crowd tonight. Dixon stepped up with ice in his veins from three, great FT shooting by multiple players down the stretch, and some great defense in the 2nd half. Love the way this team is jelling. As someone noted, we're up to the mid-30s in RPI now. Keep winning and only good things happen.

It was a great crowd. The Kap is louder this year.

Crowd approached tournament level feel in the last few minutes. Need as large and even more vocal turnout for the Thursday night Hofstra payback game in less than two weeks...Wish the band would revamp the songlist and become more part of the atmosphere..

I think it is time that James Madison took a serious look at moving to an easier conference such as the Patriot League, or perhaps moving down to Division II or III athletics.

Long gone are the days when James Madison used to put up a fight against William and Mary, but now we are routinely beating them in just about all sports. Any rational person would no longer even call this a rivalry anymore. If one also considers the disparity between academic standards of the two schools, it is borderline embarrassing that we are forced to play them twice a year in most sports.

Perhaps James Madison would have more athletic success in a conference that included the likes of Virginia Wesleyan, Mary Washington, and Tidewater Community College. An added benefit of stepping down an athletic tier is that James Madison would be able to welcome back Andre Nation for the 6th time and allow him to suit up for the Dukes again, which would make them much more competitive.

Overall, this is a no brainer for James Madison University (no pun intended).

All I will say is that karma's a *****! We do have to play them again in Harrisonburg you know. (The Andre Nation thing did make me snicker a little though)

Amazing win and real proud of the team. Just curious why Burch didn't really play tonight?

(01-31-2016 11:29 PM)tribe711 Wrote:  Amazing win and real proud of the team. Just curious why Burch didn't really play tonight?

The few possessions i saw him play it seemed like JMU was keying on him at the 3 pt line.

The game came over Mexican radio loud clear down in Cabo. What a great job by a total team victory. It seemed liked once again when a big basket, rebound or steal Terry Tarpey had his nose in the play. He may be harder to replace than Marcus was.

(01-31-2016 10:16 PM)Greengoldman Wrote:  Hofstra and UNCW haven't played each other yet. One of them will fall into a tie with us if we win thurs. just take it 1 game at a time Tribe.

And we did not get much on the offensive boards. In fact JMU killed us on the offensive glass tonight. Their first 8 pts of second half alone were all from offensive rebounds.

In all fairness, when you shoot like 10% in the 2nd half, there are going to be a lot of chances for offensive rebounds. Not only that, JMU bricked a ton of 3s which resulted in long rebounds for JMU.

Overall, I think W&M did pretty well on the glass, although they did struggle to keep Dalembert off the glass the 5 minutes he actually played

(01-31-2016 10:28 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 10:13 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  It was a great comeback, but there is still no excuse coming out as flat as they did at home in a big rivalry game.

My advice to you is to **** the haters '17. I admire your passion and enjoy your posts.

Good man.

With how much heartbreak I have had to deal with watching this team, I think I am entitled to some grumbling.

(01-31-2016 10:34 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 10:13 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 10:10 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 07:43 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  Just amazing how W&M can come out at home in a rivalry game and look like they could give 2 ***** about this game...

Amazing how some fans can seemingly turn on their own team and put them down after a bad 10 minutes of basketball and a whole half yet to play.

I know you, Zablenoise, Rocco and Tribester are passionate Tribe fans, but perhaps you all should stop living and dying (emotionally speaking) with every twist and turn of the game and just let the entire game play out before offering any critiques. This is not to say the team wasn't playing poorly for a good portion of the first half, but you just look foolish and like less than a fan when you get so down on your own team so easily. Free world, but that's my unsolicited advice.

Great win, great showing and student showing, keep it rolling!

It was a great comeback, but there is still no excuse coming out as flat as they did at home in a big rivalry game.

To be fair we had an early lead before JMU went red hot, so I don't think we came out flat. Yes, we weren't playing smart on offense (i.e., working the offense and creating good shots), but that is not the same as disinterested or flat. JMU was applying some good defense and we bot put on our heels. Credit to our guys for adjusting. I trust the character of our young men, so very seldom do I question their motivation or will.

When you have 5 people standing around on the offensive end with no movement, no dribble drive, and just aimlessly pass the ball around the perimeter expecting low percentage 3s to fall down, I would call that lethargic (flat) offense.

Maybe I am crazy though

(02-01-2016 12:36 AM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 10:28 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 10:13 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  It was a great comeback, but there is still no excuse coming out as flat as they did at home in a big rivalry game.

My advice to you is to **** the haters '17. I admire your passion and enjoy your posts.

Good man.

With how much heartbreak I have had to deal with watching this team, I think I am entitled to some grumbling.

I was certainly grumbling (to myself) in the first half, but I didn't take cheap message board shots at my own team when the chips were down. Diehard fans are going to get emotional and I know we are all fans, but emotional doesn't have to be negative or call for singling out individual players for ridicule. It always amazes me how quickly the JMU board posters will slam their own players and coaches when things go south, so I hate to see that sort of fickleness here. That is a pro sports mentality IMO and not suited for collegiate athletics played by true student athletes that are busting their humps in and out of the classroom. Sorry for the thread highjack. Go Tribe!

Not to extend the hijack, but ...

I think it depends on how you use, or perceive the purpose of, this message board. For me, I'm remote from Williamsburg and rarely can make it to a game. Nobody else at my house gives a rip about Tribe sports. So when I'm watching a game (or listening, or whatever), this board is sort of like having some buddies sitting with you at the game. I have no problem if somebody says whatever they're thinking -- "So-and-so is really stinking up the joint tonight -- looks like he just doesn't care," or whatever. Of course that leaves the door open to say later "Wow, So-and-so has really turned it around in the second half."

I would hope that our players NEVER look at this board - or at least are smart enough to not care what any of us think (except BillyMac, of course). But even if they do, they certainly aren't doing so DURING the game. So I think we can say what we're thinking, the bad as well as the good.

(02-01-2016 12:36 AM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 10:28 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  

(01-31-2016 10:13 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  It was a great comeback, but there is still no excuse coming out as flat as they did at home in a big rivalry game.

My advice to you is to **** the haters '17. I admire your passion and enjoy your posts.

Good man.

With how much heartbreak I have had to deal with watching this team, I think I am entitled to some grumbling.

Everybody grumbles ... but is this the place for "in-game" grumbles about specific student-athletes?

As a former varsity athlete at W&M, I shudder to think what could have been posted about my efforts in the '70's. I wouldn't have liked it, nor appreciated it, especially by anonymous people ... so I don't do it.

Something about walking in another person's shoes.

My two cents.

(02-01-2016 10:18 AM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  Not to extend the hijack, but ...

I think it depends on how you use, or perceive the purpose of, this message board. For me, I'm remote from Williamsburg and rarely can make it to a game. Nobody else at my house gives a rip about Tribe sports. So when I'm watching a game (or listening, or whatever), this board is sort of like having some buddies sitting with you at the game. I have no problem if somebody says whatever they're thinking -- "So-and-so is really stinking up the joint tonight -- looks like he just doesn't care," or whatever. Of course that leaves the door open to say later "Wow, So-and-so has really turned it around in the second half."

I would hope that our players NEVER look at this board - or at least are smart enough to not care what any of us think (except BillyMac, of course). But even if they do, they certainly aren't doing so DURING the game. So I think we can say what we're thinking, the bad as well as the good.

Respectfully, I disagree.

This is a public board. You and your buddies engage in private conversation. That's a big difference.

Every home game is on TV and radio, and has live stats. The info is there.

My guide would be whatever TV and radio announcers say about a poor performance, and they are usually very guarded in their comments about individuals. There are no "guards" on here.

I've already probably said enough on this subject but I can't help to add one more thing. While I don't really care for criticizing student-athletes, I have no problem with current students doing so (and I assume 17 is). It's being criticized by one's own peer group. I think the real issue is when the rest of us get down on players.

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The official stance is us Tribe fans can write anything we want so long as we avoid personal attacks (Steve, you're an idiot), post threats, etc. Visitors are on a much shorter leash. That said, if someone writes something, someone else may not like it and they have the right to express their thoughts.

Personally, I'm a 44 year-old government employee who choses not to anonymously jump on a 20 year-old student-athlete who can do things athletically that I could never have done. I also have a decent grasp on human dynamics, physiology, and behavior so I don't get sideways when someone shows less on a play or has an "off day." I don't give 100% in anything I do--as much as I'd like to--so I don't expect that level of performance from someone else.

(02-01-2016 10:18 AM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  Not to extend the hijack, but ...

I think it depends on how you use, or perceive the purpose of, this message board. For me, I'm remote from Williamsburg and rarely can make it to a game. Nobody else at my house gives a rip about Tribe sports. So when I'm watching a game (or listening, or whatever), this board is sort of like having some buddies sitting with you at the game. I have no problem if somebody says whatever they're thinking -- "So-and-so is really stinking up the joint tonight -- looks like he just doesn't care," or whatever. Of course that leaves the door open to say later "Wow, So-and-so has really turned it around in the second half."

I would hope that our players NEVER look at this board - or at least are smart enough to not care what any of us think (except BillyMac, of course). But even if they do, they certainly aren't doing so DURING the game. So I think we can say what we're thinking, the bad as well as the good.

Thank you, BGR, for the nice compliment (you are too kind...). I agree with you, mostly.

When I found the CAAZone and now, Tribe Talk, I was in heaven. Like BGR, most people in my life could give a rip about W&M Sports. So, when I found a group that was as crazy to talk Tribe athletics as I was, my goodness, that was fantastic!

True story, I was so frustrated with the coverage of W&M Sports back in the 80's , that I changed jobs and went to work as a reporter/broadcaster, so I would know that W&M would at least get some basic coverage when I was on the air. If there was any news from W&M Sports, it was definitely going into my sportscast.

As for the Message Board comments, I think, (it's just my opinion) that generalities work better than specifics on boards, in general. We all, especially during away games (on TV), can get frustrated with certain aspects of the game, and comments such as "they are a step slow on defense tonight" or "they are having a problem getting locked in from three" are a better way to express the frustration of not being able to do a thing about it, than to say "Player X couldn't guard his grandma" or "Player Y couldn't throw a beachball in the ocean".

No one, player or just normal people, like to see things on social media that, basically, tears them down or insults them. It doesn't feel good. Everybody has a vulnerable spot. It's just human nature.

So, while this is an interesting topic, especially growing out of a Game Thread, I would just say, if you are posting, write it, take a breath, reread it and then decide whether or not it could be expressed a little better. If so, go ahead.


Also, did I tell you how much I love talking Tribe Sports here??!!

(02-01-2016 12:38 AM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  When you have 5 people standing around on the offensive end with no movement, no dribble drive, and just aimlessly pass the ball around the perimeter expecting low percentage 3s to fall down, I would call that lethargic (flat) offense.

Maybe I am crazy though

Don't think anyone would argue that our offensive flow was not our best in the first half, but JMU's defense was pretty solid.
Along that line:
Cohn does a great job probing the defense and penetrating to keep the opposing team from staying fixed on players outside the arc. Team has got to do a better job of moving to open spaces when he penetrates to give him passing outlets. Too often he gets stuck in a create his own shot situation (often not there due to his size) because other players are just standing outside the arc watching and he has nowhere to go with the ball. Sean or Jack will not always be cleanly open for the dump-off. We have not had this dimension from a Tribe PG in my memory. Players have to (and will) catch-up with this.

Cohn is a load for other teams to defend. He is constantly pushing tempo, but under control as his assist/turnover numbers indicate. He penetrates with purpose. He will attack the hoop if you let him and look to dump if a big steps up to help. He shoots too well from the perimeter for guys to sag off of him. Sometimes defensively he gets used by opposing guards, but he is the real difference maker on this team.

(02-01-2016 11:42 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Cohn does a great job probing the defense and penetrating to keep the opposing team from staying fixed on players outside the arc. Team has got to do a better job of moving to open spaces when he penetrates to give him passing outlets. Too often he gets stuck in a create his own shot situation (often not there due to his size) because other players are just standing outside the arc watching and he has nowhere to go with the ball. Sean or Jack will not always be cleanly open for the dump-off. We have not had this dimension from a Tribe PG in my memory. Players have to (and will) catch-up with this.

You're exactly right here. I was saying that to buddies at the bar last night. There were a couple times where Cohn had great penetration and then turned expecting someone to be open but no one was there. The result is usually an awkward mid range shot (which Cohn makes with some regularity) and I'd love to see some movement resulting in wide open jumpers or easy layups.