people who say "stars don't matter at all" are usually fans of schools who don't have good recruiting rankings, and need to make up an excuse on why recruiting rankings are crap.

In 2014 we marched into FBS with fewer "starred" players than most G5 teams and finished as a top 15 (if not top 10) G5 team.

NDSU's class rankings are also comically low.

Did you know that there really isn't such thing as a Mulberry bush, that it is a Mulberry tree, and that it is used as Mulberry bush in the song only because it is more phonetically appeasing?

(02-08-2016 02:14 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 02:09 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  I agree on a case by case basis the stars don't mean as much because yes you have highly recruited guys that flop, and under recruited guys that can go on to be super bowl MVPs. However... over the span of time. It matters... I'll use the MAC as an example because there has been little realignment so the teams are consistent.

2015 End of season FPI + their placement in Recruit ranking averages from 2011-2014 across the whole conference:

East Division:
#41 Bowling Green (Ranked #3)
#46 Toledo (Ranked #1)
#60 WMU (Ranked #2)
#80 NIU (Ranked #4)
#85 C Mich (Ranked #7)
#88 Ohio (Ranked #8)
#94 Akron (Ranked #11)
#101 Buffalo (Ranked #9)
#103 Ball St (Ranked #6)
#106 UMass (Ranked #10)
#115 Kent (Ranked #13)
#123 Miami OH (Ranked #5)
#126 E Mich (Ranked #12)

There are really only two major outliers here.[/code]


West Division:

That's exactly what I've been saying. Works the same for the SBC as well. The phrase "I agree on a case by case basis the stars don't mean as much ... however, over the span of time, it matters" seems to be going in one ear and out the other as if the statement was "the recruiting rankings are the end all be all".

Nice work.

This. It is about consistency teams that consistently finish towards the top in national and conference recruit rankings win a whole lot more than those that don't. One bad or great class does not mean crap it is about it is what you typically do over several classes and if there is significant separation. If from top to bottom a conference's teams are all in the bottom quarter then conference rankings are not going to mean a whole lot.

(02-08-2016 01:13 PM)Ole Sleepy Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 12:08 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Stars are merely a guide. I mean, they all sound good on signing day, but none of that matters unless it translates to wins on the field. If a five-star player signs with a G5 school, a lot of times he loses one or two stars...

Just two quick examples: There were two kids that signed with a G5 school. Neither one were offered from any other school (P5, G5, or 1-AA). They went on to have illustrious professional careers in the NFL with one of them earning a super bowl ring. They were Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich.

And how many kids with no stars and very few offers ever make it to the NFL? All-American? All-Conference? Starters? Graduate?

To those who say rankings and ratings don't matter while using an example like this fail to see the irony that their argument about exceptions...is based on exceptions.

Generally speaking, when it comes to overall class grades over continuous years, rankings and ratings DO matter. Look at the top recruiting classes. Look at the top teams. They normally correlate very closely.

You've missed my point, or perhaps I didn't make it very well (today that is certainly a possibility). I don't know about the Belt, but CUSA (and Marshall) take NQ's... Many of the three and four star recruits that we have gone after were NQ's and doc tends to take chances on some kids that other schools don't. Other two, three and four star guys aren't NQ's. About half of them see meaningful playing time. Some see playing time and turn into head cases (AJ Leggett/Angelo Jean-Louis) That is why I don't get all star struck until a kid actually gets onto campus and into a college environment and can produce.

The whole star system is subjective. When a player loses a star because he decides to attend a "lesser school", then there is an issue and can be relatively inaccurate. If a kid is a five-star and doesn't make the grades, then what is the point. Different stroke for different folks, I guess. Coaching and positive influence from other players has a great deal also, IMHO

How many other CUSA schools take "NQs"? Not sure how many SBC schools do either?

(02-08-2016 06:48 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many other CUSA schools take "NQs"? Not sure how many SBC schools do either?

I think it's on the table for all schools except maybe Rice and ODU...That's a good question Saint... I'll post it over on our board and get back to you.

(02-08-2016 08:34 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 06:48 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many other CUSA schools take "NQs"? Not sure how many SBC schools do either?

I think it's on the table for all schools except maybe Rice and ODU...That's a good question Saint... I'll post it over on our board and get back to you.

To my knowledge Southern doesn't take NQs. No need to when we bring in lot's of preferred walkons and use the Hope and Pell grants to help kids pay for tuition and books. Of course this is a different caliber player than the high 3* or 4* but these kids typically want to be on the team and fight tooth and nail for playing time.

(02-08-2016 06:48 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many other CUSA schools take "NQs"? Not sure how many SBC schools do either?

I don't think the SBC allows schools to take NQ's. Schools can sign and place NonQ's in JUCO, but they cannot attend the SBC school.

I am pretty sure Ga Southern does not take non-qualifiers

Rice DEFINITELY does not take NQ's.

(02-08-2016 09:35 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 08:34 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 06:48 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many other CUSA schools take "NQs"? Not sure how many SBC schools do either?

I think it's on the table for all schools except maybe Rice and ODU...That's a good question Saint... I'll post it over on our board and get back to you.

To my knowledge Southern doesn't take NQs. No need to when we bring in lot's of preferred walkons and use the Hope and Pell grants to help kids pay for tuition and books. Of course this is a different caliber player than the high 3* or 4* but these kids typically want to be on the team and fight tooth and nail for playing time.

Yeah but if they qualify grade wise, and receive pell grants and are admitted then they qualify... They aren't NQ's...

(02-08-2016 09:41 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I am pretty sure Ga Southern does not take non-qualifiers

Correct.

The last one we took, to my knowledge ... was a senior in 2001, and he graduated on time after playing in a backup role behind some very good players.

(02-08-2016 08:34 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(02-08-2016 06:48 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many other CUSA schools take "NQs"? Not sure how many SBC schools do either?

I think it's on the table for all schools except maybe Rice and ODU...That's a good question Saint... I'll post it over on our board and get back to you.

From those that weighed in: Rice, USM, and LaTech don't. Marshall and Charlotte do...Not sure about the rest....

I'm somewhat surprised UNCC does.

I think CCU allows them, something they'll need to address.

(02-09-2016 10:14 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I'm somewhat surprised UNCC does.

I think CCU allows them, something they'll need to address.

Well, there was a pretty good recruit out of Capital High in Charleston that had hoped to sign with WVU, but he was a NQ, so he couldn't go to WVU. He pas expected to sign with Charlotte. It kind of surprises me too...

I thought UNC Concord had higher standards than that...

Surprise no other Sunbelts went after this kid after ULL rescinded.



West Brook head coach Kevin Flanigan, mistreatment of his players is a "one and you're done" violation for visiting recruiters.
"If a college comes in and offers you a scholarship and then rescinds that offer after you've committed, then that school will not be allowed back on the campus to talk to our football players," Flanigan said. "It's worked out OK for Alfred, but it's just bad business. It's a low character move in my opinion."

ULL's treatment of Beverly might have irreversibly ended ties with Beaumont's largest high school, which will send 13 players to the college ranks next year. After realignment takes effect in the fall, West Brook will be the area's only Class 6A school.

Flanigan said he called ULL's head coach for an explanation but never received one. "I told their athletic director that, as far as I'm concerned, ULL can skip right on by West Brook," Flanigan said. "I don't want to see them and they better not come to my office."

West Brook's Dan Moore, a 6-5, 320-pound junior lineman, has his own offer from ULL. But the way they treated Beverly, he said, might keep him from joining the Ragin' Cajuns 2017 signing class. "It makes me think that they are not trustworthy," Moore said. "The way they went about doing things were pretty harsh."



http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sports...831491.php

(02-27-2016 03:11 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Surprise no other Sunbelts went after this kid after ULL rescinded.



West Brook head coach Kevin Flanigan, mistreatment of his players is a "one and you're done" violation for visiting recruiters.
"If a college comes in and offers you a scholarship and then rescinds that offer after you've committed, then that school will not be allowed back on the campus to talk to our football players," Flanigan said. "It's worked out OK for Alfred, but it's just bad business. It's a low character move in my opinion."

ULL's treatment of Beverly might have irreversibly ended ties with Beaumont's largest high school, which will send 13 players to the college ranks next year. After realignment takes effect in the fall, West Brook will be the area's only Class 6A school.

Flanigan said he called ULL's head coach for an explanation but never received one. "I told their athletic director that, as far as I'm concerned, ULL can skip right on by West Brook," Flanigan said. "I don't want to see them and they better not come to my office."

West Brook's Dan Moore, a 6-5, 320-pound junior lineman, has his own offer from ULL. But the way they treated Beverly, he said, might keep him from joining the Ragin' Cajuns 2017 signing class. "It makes me think that they are not trustworthy," Moore said. "The way they went about doing things were pretty harsh."



http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sports...831491.php

I don't think many saw the kid as an FBS prospect. It's part of the reason ULL rescinded his offer.

(02-27-2016 03:11 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Surprise no other Sunbelts went after this kid after ULL rescinded.



West Brook head coach Kevin Flanigan, mistreatment of his players is a "one and you're done" violation for visiting recruiters.
"If a college comes in and offers you a scholarship and then rescinds that offer after you've committed, then that school will not be allowed back on the campus to talk to our football players," Flanigan said. "It's worked out OK for Alfred, but it's just bad business. It's a low character move in my opinion."

ULL's treatment of Beverly might have irreversibly ended ties with Beaumont's largest high school, which will send 13 players to the college ranks next year. After realignment takes effect in the fall, West Brook will be the area's only Class 6A school.

Flanigan said he called ULL's head coach for an explanation but never received one. "I told their athletic director that, as far as I'm concerned, ULL can skip right on by West Brook," Flanigan said. "I don't want to see them and they better not come to my office."

West Brook's Dan Moore, a 6-5, 320-pound junior lineman, has his own offer from ULL. But the way they treated Beverly, he said, might keep him from joining the Ragin' Cajuns 2017 signing class. "It makes me think that they are not trustworthy," Moore said. "The way they went about doing things were pretty harsh."



http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sports...831491.php

Most non-mutts would not be 'surprise' of this because the kid was obviously not up to snuff.


Now waddle your little self back on over to dog patch where you belong.