I was about to suggest that App had a double posting of one of their commits, but it turns out to be a set of twins, how crazy is that? haha

(01-19-2016 10:38 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 11:53 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing

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First time I've done this. Turned on anyone can view now. (I think) Use this new link ^

(01-19-2016 10:38 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 10:36 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 10:31 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 03:39 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 03:31 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  ah, you are right. looks like he just recently got added.

either way, still funny as hell to have the 2nd highest recruit in the conference be a wr. lol

Ironically, the third highest is a Troy commit, and he is a running back, in our air raid system.

Top 3(4):

Justice Hansen (QB) • 0.8530 • Arkansas State
Deshon Cooper (OLB) • 0.8514 • Georgia Southern (currently listed as a JUCO soft commit at the bottom)
Jacob Robertson (WR) • 0.8504 • Georgia Southern
B.J. Smith (RB) • 0.8500 • Troy

Still leaving out the 86.0 RB commit to NMSU

That's right: Gamarquis Girdy

I have him on the list I made. I just didn't turn on the share function. I don't have Cooper.

We have 3 of the top 10 and 8 of the 46 over 80.

I'll take that.


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Love all the"highest rated" talk. App signed two RB's in '14. One a mid 3 star guy with offers from AAC programs. The other a kid with no FBS offers. The 3 star guy can't get on the field, the other set a single game rushing record of over 240 yards last year and played critical downs at the end of several games, including the bowl game, when Cox was hurt. One starting OLB and ILB were the lowest rated recruits in our '13 class. The greatest QB in App history also had zero FBS offers and was unrated when we signed him. Ratings are in the eye of the beholder and often influenced by college coaches.

I don't buy the ratings at all.

(01-19-2016 12:00 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 10:38 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 11:53 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing

I requested access to this CatMom. My Google ID should be pbrown_404 something. Thanks!

First time I've done this. Turned on anyone can view now. (I think) Use this new link ^

I very much appreciate you taking the time to put this list together and I hate to ask you to do more, but.....
Can you please add USA commitments DB Jay Woods (8.322) and DB Bobby Flott (.8000)?

(01-19-2016 01:12 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Love all the"highest rated" talk. App signed two RB's in '14. One a mid 3 star guy with offers from AAC programs. The other a kid with no FBS offers. The 3 star guy can't get on the field, the other set a single game rushing record of over 240 yards last year and played critical downs at the end of several games, including the bowl game, when Cox was hurt. One starting OLB and ILB were the lowest rated recruits in our '13 class. The greatest QB in App history also had zero FBS offers and was unrated when we signed him. Ratings are in the eye of the beholder and often influenced by college coaches.

Happens all the time. I'm always glad when those underrated players do well, unless they're playing against us of course.

(01-19-2016 01:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I don't buy the ratings at all.

They aren't the Bible, but there is some method to the madness.

It's mostly just fun to use on a message board.

Our best QB ever (aside from Cleo Lemon argument) was a 2* with no other offer to play QB.

On the other hand, Jarboe was a top 10 WR out of high school and by the time he got here had a great run.

So they both can work out just as well as not work out.


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Oh good, I was afraid that the "stars don't mean anything vs. yeah, but" discussion would only be confined to our board, glad it's on the verge of taking off here as well

(01-19-2016 01:33 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Oh good, I was afraid that the "stars don't mean anything vs. yeah, but" discussion would only be confined to our board, glad it's on the verge of taking off here as well

I think if you wanted to do the research you'd see there is some correlation between team class rankings and final standings.


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(01-19-2016 01:54 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:33 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Oh good, I was afraid that the "stars don't mean anything vs. yeah, but" discussion would only be confined to our board, glad it's on the verge of taking off here as well

I think if you wanted to do the research you'd see there is some correlation between team class rankings and final standings.


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Really? Don't tell us that because we've been in the top 5 every year and look where that's gotten us.
Other than getting 4 guys in the NFL, who were all FCS recruits, it hasn't panned out.

(01-19-2016 02:02 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:54 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:33 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Oh good, I was afraid that the "stars don't mean anything vs. yeah, but" discussion would only be confined to our board, glad it's on the verge of taking off here as well

I think if you wanted to do the research you'd see there is some correlation between team class rankings and final standings.


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Really? Don't tell us that because we've been in the top 5 every year and look where that's gotten us.
Other than getting 4 guys in the NFL, who were all FCS recruits, it hasn't panned out.

Both of your statements are correct, actually. There is a definite coorelation, but some teams like Texas State have done such a bad job coaching that their talent actually gets worse after signing day.

(01-19-2016 02:02 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:54 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:33 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Oh good, I was afraid that the "stars don't mean anything vs. yeah, but" discussion would only be confined to our board, glad it's on the verge of taking off here as well

I think if you wanted to do the research you'd see there is some correlation between team class rankings and final standings.


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Really? Don't tell us that because we've been in the top 5 every year and look where that's gotten us.
Other than getting 4 guys in the NFL, who were all FCS recruits, it hasn't panned out.

Well fifth in recruiting in the Belt is not great it means you are at the bottom of the FBS. We have been top three and that landed us at best 89th in the FBS I believe. With recruiting rankings overall there is a strong correlation to rankings and how a team fairs. It is obviously not one to one but the r value is strong.

This shows current talent on roster. TXST def underperformed last year but with four teams ahead of you and App obviously doing better the last two years based on talent three to four conf losses is what you would expect.

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Footbal...erence=SBC

(01-19-2016 02:09 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:02 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:54 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 01:33 PM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  Oh good, I was afraid that the "stars don't mean anything vs. yeah, but" discussion would only be confined to our board, glad it's on the verge of taking off here as well

I think if you wanted to do the research you'd see there is some correlation between team class rankings and final standings.


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Really? Don't tell us that because we've been in the top 5 every year and look where that's gotten us.
Other than getting 4 guys in the NFL, who were all FCS recruits, it hasn't panned out.

Both of your statements are correct, actually. There is a definite coorelation, but some teams like Texas State have done such a bad job coaching that their talent actually gets worse after signing day.

Correction. Mayo was a JUCO transfer. I don't know how you qualify the talent in that case (FCS or FBS)
As for the coaching, yes, we know that one. Tyler Jones is a talent and a prime example. He has just regressed under Fran. Maybe the new staff will get him back to where he should be for his senior year.

We're all pulling from the same general talent level, the occasional mid 3* and below. Even if you take recruiting rankings as gospel (and I don't), coaching and development are the keys to success in the Sun Belt.


As far as App's class goes, we badly need some depth on both sides of the line, but I like the class we've put together so far and we added two good ones yesterday.

(01-19-2016 02:41 PM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  We're all pulling from the same general talent level, the occasional mid 3* and below. Even if you take recruiting rankings as gospel (and I don't), coaching and development are the keys to success in the Sun Belt.


As far as App's class goes, we badly need some depth on both sides of the line, but I like the class we've put together so far and we added two good ones yesterday.

Coaching and development are a huge part of a kids high school ranking as well. Some kids have received worlds better coaching and development than others at this point. I know some high school football coaches that have no business being there. High schools are in different situations everywhere, some take whoever is willing to volunteer and let them coach, others have large budgets that go out and hire real coaching staffs. It certainly isn't an exact science.

(01-19-2016 02:09 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Both of your statements are correct, actually. There is a definite coorelation, but some teams like Texas State have done such a bad job coaching that their talent actually gets worse after signing day.

2 things...

1. I KNOW! And it hurts my heart to admit that.
2. I think the 2/3 star folks aren't really being evaluated very strongly, so there's a HUGE margin of error in the class rankings once you get outside of the top say... 50 (maybe a smaller number).

So yes, recruiting rankings do matter, but at the level many are recruiting at in the Sun Belt, it's also a big time crap shoot.

(01-19-2016 03:46 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(01-19-2016 02:09 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  Both of your statements are correct, actually. There is a definite coorelation, but some teams like Texas State have done such a bad job coaching that their talent actually gets worse after signing day.

2 things...

1. I KNOW! And it hurts my heart to admit that.
2. I think the 2/3 star folks aren't really being evaluated very strongly, so there's a HUGE margin of error in the class rankings once you get outside of the top say... 50 (maybe a smaller number).

So yes, recruiting rankings do matter, but at the level many are recruiting at in the Sun Belt, it's also a big time crap shoot.

A two star is just basically getting FBS offers. The three star area is the widest gap in talent. There are .80 three star and .89 that are likely highly nationally ranked at their position. With three stars you have pay attention to the actual grade, state, national and position ranking. High three star kids make up the majority of P5 rosters while low three stars probably are not getting serious looks from top level P5 schools and is not unlikely to land on a good FCS team. High level three star kids are looked at probably just as much as four and five. Low level three stars probably get atleast a review of highlights and offers.

The highest rated three star WR is 59th at WR and 340th in the country overall while GS three star wr recruit is ranked 123rd at WR and 829th in the country overall. A three star can mean a lot of things. Honestly the three star area should be broken up again.

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...osition=WR

David Mayo and Robert Lowe were both unrated per 247 so there's that. Then we have guys that were 3's that never saw a snap. Very telling that the ratings may or may not mean a damn thing.