I decided to add my two cents separately because the other thread went into personal attacks.

Bottom line for the BG game EMU was out coached by a landslide, out hustled, out rebounded, out played and obviously out scored.

Coach Murphy reminds me of former WMU coach, Bill Cubit who always hovered around average.

BG did exactly what you need to beat a zone by placing their guy at the free throw line and having a baseline Runner. A zone absolutely can not allow entry passes at the free throw line because if that player receives the ball he turns and attacks the rim or passes off to the baseline guy cutting to the basket. The other defensive lapse is that opposing guards are beating our zone and getting to the paint. This absolutely can not happen in a zone. Murphy made no adjustments and our zone got shredded. We got back in the game when Ray Lee was asked to hit miracle shot after miracle shot and then BG decided to sit on the ball. They would have won by 30 if the BG coach hadn't made a strategic error in holding the ball.

Offensively I did notice that we are now looking into the Post for Thompson thank goodness. We also ran a few set plays for our guards. However for the most part, we simply get the ball to a guard and ask him to go 1 on 1 against his man. This type of offense will fail more times than not against good competition. It's basically streetball.

As I have said many times, Murphy has been able to recruit some talent, but has never gotten the talent to overachieve or play consistently well.

We will probably be lucky to finish 8-10 because you absolutely can not lose to BG at home
Just can't do it!!! If we want to contend for the MAC title next year, you have to win games like this, this year.

Over the course of a season you are also going to have games where your opponent is just hitting their shots and you're not. We had a game at CMU where we shot 75 percent in the second half which isn't going to happen every game. This game Bowling Green shot 52 percent from 3 point range when for the season they averaged 39 percent. I'll be the first to admit that I thought our defensive intensity in the first half was lousy but you could also tell that our big guys(Thompson in particular) were very afraid to get in foul trouble. Offensively as well we were not patient at all. In the second half we started to drive the ball better and played a whole lot better on the defensive end. Give BG credit for making some key plays down the stretch. However also give EMU credit for not just giving in and letting this game turn into a massive blowout.

I think this game personally showed me that this team has a lot of grit and pride. The one thing we can't afford though is to play with a lack of defensive intensity. That's what you can't afford to win the MAC.

(01-18-2016 02:47 PM)TheCrumbIsHere Wrote:  Over the course of a season you are also going to have games where your opponent is just hitting their shots and you're not. We had a game at CMU where we shot 75 percent in the second half which isn't going to happen every game. This game Bowling Green shot 52 percent from 3 point range when for the season they averaged 39 percent. I'll be the first to admit that I thought our defensive intensity in the first half was lousy but you could also tell that our big guys(Thompson in particular) were very afraid to get in foul trouble. Offensively as well we were not patient at all. In the second half we started to drive the ball better and played a whole lot better on the defensive end. Give BG credit for making some key plays down the stretch. However also give EMU credit for not just giving in and letting this game turn into a massive blowout.

I think this game personally showed me that this team has a lot of grit and pride. The one thing we can't afford though is to play with a lack of defensive intensity. That's what you can't afford to win the MAC.

I agree with everything you posted.

Saturday we REALLY missed LWH.

With LWH, Murphy could say to Thompson: "Play your b*tt off. Don't worry about fouls. We have Wofford if needed... I'd rather have 20 100% minutes than 30 minutes playing cautiously!!!

Next year with LWH, Madray, and Jones eligible, Murphy will tell them not to worry about fouls. Just give 100% and you'll get time to rest and subbed if needed because of fouls.

Like most impact centers, they might be a 'beast' until they get into foul trouble and then they have to play like puppies...

Nothing worse in an EMU game, than to see JT4 get a foul in the first 60 seconds of the game...

(01-18-2016 02:24 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I decided to add my two cents separately because the other thread went into personal attacks.

Bottom line for the BG game EMU was out coached by a landslide, out hustled, out rebounded, out played and obviously out scored.

Coach Murphy reminds me of former WMU coach, Bill Cubit who always hovered around average.

BG did exactly what you need to beat a zone by placing their guy at the free throw line and having a baseline Runner. A zone absolutely can not allow entry passes at the free throw line because if that player receives the ball he turns and attacks the rim or passes off to the baseline guy cutting to the basket. The other defensive lapse is that opposing guards are beating our zone and getting to the paint. This absolutely can not happen in a zone. Murphy made no adjustments and our zone got shredded. We got back in the game when Ray Lee was asked to hit miracle shot after miracle shot and then BG decided to sit on the ball. They would have won by 30 if the BG coach hadn't made a strategic error in holding the ball.

Offensively I did notice that we are now looking into the Post for Thompson thank goodness. We also ran a few set plays for our guards. However for the most part, we simply get the ball to a guard and ask him to go 1 on 1 against his man. This type of offense will fail more times than not against good competition. It's basically streetball.

As I have said many times, Murphy has been able to recruit some talent, but has never gotten the talent to overachieve or play consistently well.

We will probably be lucky to finish 8-10 because you absolutely can not lose to BG at home
Just can't do it!!! If we want to contend for the MAC title next year, you have to win games like this, this year.

We'll be lucky to finish 8-10? Based off of one game? Great analysis.

(01-18-2016 03:56 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 02:24 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I decided to add my two cents separately because the other thread went into personal attacks.

Bottom line for the BG game EMU was out coached by a landslide, out hustled, out rebounded, out played and obviously out scored.

Coach Murphy reminds me of former WMU coach, Bill Cubit who always hovered around average.

BG did exactly what you need to beat a zone by placing their guy at the free throw line and having a baseline Runner. A zone absolutely can not allow entry passes at the free throw line because if that player receives the ball he turns and attacks the rim or passes off to the baseline guy cutting to the basket. The other defensive lapse is that opposing guards are beating our zone and getting to the paint. This absolutely can not happen in a zone. Murphy made no adjustments and our zone got shredded. We got back in the game when Ray Lee was asked to hit miracle shot after miracle shot and then BG decided to sit on the ball. They would have won by 30 if the BG coach hadn't made a strategic error in holding the ball.

Offensively I did notice that we are now looking into the Post for Thompson thank goodness. We also ran a few set plays for our guards. However for the most part, we simply get the ball to a guard and ask him to go 1 on 1 against his man. This type of offense will fail more times than not against good competition. It's basically streetball.

As I have said many times, Murphy has been able to recruit some talent, but has never gotten the talent to overachieve or play consistently well.

We will probably be lucky to finish 8-10 because you absolutely can not lose to BG at home
Just can't do it!!! If we want to contend for the MAC title next year, you have to win games like this, this year.

We'll be lucky to finish 8-10? Based off of one game? Great analysis.

Based off Murphy's conference track record...........

(01-18-2016 04:20 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 03:56 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 02:24 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I decided to add my two cents separately because the other thread went into personal attacks.

Bottom line for the BG game EMU was out coached by a landslide, out hustled, out rebounded, out played and obviously out scored.

Coach Murphy reminds me of former WMU coach, Bill Cubit who always hovered around average.

BG did exactly what you need to beat a zone by placing their guy at the free throw line and having a baseline Runner. A zone absolutely can not allow entry passes at the free throw line because if that player receives the ball he turns and attacks the rim or passes off to the baseline guy cutting to the basket. The other defensive lapse is that opposing guards are beating our zone and getting to the paint. This absolutely can not happen in a zone. Murphy made no adjustments and our zone got shredded. We got back in the game when Ray Lee was asked to hit miracle shot after miracle shot and then BG decided to sit on the ball. They would have won by 30 if the BG coach hadn't made a strategic error in holding the ball.

Offensively I did notice that we are now looking into the Post for Thompson thank goodness. We also ran a few set plays for our guards. However for the most part, we simply get the ball to a guard and ask him to go 1 on 1 against his man. This type of offense will fail more times than not against good competition. It's basically streetball.

As I have said many times, Murphy has been able to recruit some talent, but has never gotten the talent to overachieve or play consistently well.

We will probably be lucky to finish 8-10 because you absolutely can not lose to BG at home
Just can't do it!!! If we want to contend for the MAC title next year, you have to win games like this, this year.

We'll be lucky to finish 8-10? Based off of one game? Great analysis.

Based off Murphy's conference track record...........

...of which he's never been worse than 8-10 (or 2 games under .500). But now he'll be lucky to get there this year because you "absolutely cannot lose to" a decent team at home. That's as big of an overreaction as thinking we would win the MAC after the CMU game. It's a long season.

(01-18-2016 04:20 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 03:56 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 02:24 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I decided to add my two cents separately because the other thread went into personal attacks.

Bottom line for the BG game EMU was out coached by a landslide, out hustled, out rebounded, out played and obviously out scored.

Coach Murphy reminds me of former WMU coach, Bill Cubit who always hovered around average.

BG did exactly what you need to beat a zone by placing their guy at the free throw line and having a baseline Runner. A zone absolutely can not allow entry passes at the free throw line because if that player receives the ball he turns and attacks the rim or passes off to the baseline guy cutting to the basket. The other defensive lapse is that opposing guards are beating our zone and getting to the paint. This absolutely can not happen in a zone. Murphy made no adjustments and our zone got shredded. We got back in the game when Ray Lee was asked to hit miracle shot after miracle shot and then BG decided to sit on the ball. They would have won by 30 if the BG coach hadn't made a strategic error in holding the ball.

Offensively I did notice that we are now looking into the Post for Thompson thank goodness. We also ran a few set plays for our guards. However for the most part, we simply get the ball to a guard and ask him to go 1 on 1 against his man. This type of offense will fail more times than not against good competition. It's basically streetball.

As I have said many times, Murphy has been able to recruit some talent, but has never gotten the talent to overachieve or play consistently well.

We will probably be lucky to finish 8-10 because you absolutely can not lose to BG at home
Just can't do it!!! If we want to contend for the MAC title next year, you have to win games like this, this year.

We'll be lucky to finish 8-10? Based off of one game? Great analysis.

Based off Murphy's conference track record...........

Luckey, you're letting us down...

According to Wikipedia, Murphy has a 36 - 36 conference record during his time at EMU (through Saturday). And this year's stats are not biased by scheduling. We've played two road games and two home games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Murphy_(basketball)

Based on that one could make the point that a mathematical projection would be 9 - 9.

Eight and 10 is a little harder to predict based on his record at EMU.

(01-18-2016 04:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 04:20 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 03:56 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 02:24 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I decided to add my two cents separately because the other thread went into personal attacks.

Bottom line for the BG game EMU was out coached by a landslide, out hustled, out rebounded, out played and obviously out scored.

Coach Murphy reminds me of former WMU coach, Bill Cubit who always hovered around average.

BG did exactly what you need to beat a zone by placing their guy at the free throw line and having a baseline Runner. A zone absolutely can not allow entry passes at the free throw line because if that player receives the ball he turns and attacks the rim or passes off to the baseline guy cutting to the basket. The other defensive lapse is that opposing guards are beating our zone and getting to the paint. This absolutely can not happen in a zone. Murphy made no adjustments and our zone got shredded. We got back in the game when Ray Lee was asked to hit miracle shot after miracle shot and then BG decided to sit on the ball. They would have won by 30 if the BG coach hadn't made a strategic error in holding the ball.

Offensively I did notice that we are now looking into the Post for Thompson thank goodness. We also ran a few set plays for our guards. However for the most part, we simply get the ball to a guard and ask him to go 1 on 1 against his man. This type of offense will fail more times than not against good competition. It's basically streetball.

As I have said many times, Murphy has been able to recruit some talent, but has never gotten the talent to overachieve or play consistently well.

We will probably be lucky to finish 8-10 because you absolutely can not lose to BG at home
Just can't do it!!! If we want to contend for the MAC title next year, you have to win games like this, this year.

We'll be lucky to finish 8-10? Based off of one game? Great analysis.

Based off Murphy's conference track record...........

Luckey, you're letting us down...

According to Wikipedia, Murphy has a 36 - 36 conference record during his time at EMU (through Saturday). And this year's stats are not biased by scheduling. We've played two road games and two home games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Murphy_(basketball)

Based on that one could make the point that a mathematical projection would be 9 - 9.

Eight and 10 is a little harder to predict based on his record at EMU.

Ha, you got me, Steve. I am rooting for Coach Murphy but due to having little depth, I do not think we can finish 0.500 this season. I have been impressed with his Recruiting and wish he could try to mix things up. I believe when we had Ward, Bryant, Harrison and Riley, he had the pieces to finish better than 0.500; however, if we are one dimensional and cannot make adjustments, we could have the most talent, get out coached, and not win the league. I wonder how big a lead would it take for Murphy to come out of the zone?

Believe me, I suffered thru Barnes, Boone, and Ramsey and really want coach Murphy to succeed. If he keeps doing what he has always done (exclusive zone and offensive streetball) he'll keep getting what he had always gotten a 0.500 season.


Go EMU!

I think the big problem on Saturday was the same problem we consistently see. - poor shot selection and bad shooting. It does appear that Murphy now has a short leash for magnum. He took him out soon after a terrible trey attempt. Give BG credit though. Their interior defense was tough. EMU missed a lot of contested layups.

Also, congrats to Murphy for dropping the the loudest F bomb on Price. Everyone sitting in the west side of the arena heard it loud and clear.

(01-18-2016 05:18 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 04:51 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 04:20 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 03:56 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 02:24 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I decided to add my two cents separately because the other thread went into personal attacks.

Bottom line for the BG game EMU was out coached by a landslide, out hustled, out rebounded, out played and obviously out scored.

Coach Murphy reminds me of former WMU coach, Bill Cubit who always hovered around average.

BG did exactly what you need to beat a zone by placing their guy at the free throw line and having a baseline Runner. A zone absolutely can not allow entry passes at the free throw line because if that player receives the ball he turns and attacks the rim or passes off to the baseline guy cutting to the basket. The other defensive lapse is that opposing guards are beating our zone and getting to the paint. This absolutely can not happen in a zone. Murphy made no adjustments and our zone got shredded. We got back in the game when Ray Lee was asked to hit miracle shot after miracle shot and then BG decided to sit on the ball. They would have won by 30 if the BG coach hadn't made a strategic error in holding the ball.

Offensively I did notice that we are now looking into the Post for Thompson thank goodness. We also ran a few set plays for our guards. However for the most part, we simply get the ball to a guard and ask him to go 1 on 1 against his man. This type of offense will fail more times than not against good competition. It's basically streetball.

As I have said many times, Murphy has been able to recruit some talent, but has never gotten the talent to overachieve or play consistently well.

We will probably be lucky to finish 8-10 because you absolutely can not lose to BG at home
Just can't do it!!! If we want to contend for the MAC title next year, you have to win games like this, this year.

We'll be lucky to finish 8-10? Based off of one game? Great analysis.

Based off Murphy's conference track record...........

Luckey, you're letting us down...

According to Wikipedia, Murphy has a 36 - 36 conference record during his time at EMU (through Saturday). And this year's stats are not biased by scheduling. We've played two road games and two home games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Murphy_(basketball)

Based on that one could make the point that a mathematical projection would be 9 - 9.

Eight and 10 is a little harder to predict based on his record at EMU.

Ha, you got me, Steve. I am rooting for Coach Murphy but due to having little depth, I do not think we can finish 0.500 this season. I have been impressed with his Recruiting and wish he could try to mix things up. I believe when we had Ward, Bryant, Harrison and Riley, he had the pieces to finish better than 0.500; however, if we are one dimensional and cannot make adjustments, we could have the most talent, get out coached, and not win the league.

Believe, I suffered thru Barnes, Boone, and Ramsey and really want coach Murphy to succeed. If he keeps doing what he has always done, he'll keep getting what he had always gotten 0.500


Go EMU!

Guys, I think we are a very different team than in the past. No longer do we try to win 50 - 48 games.

Now we score a lot and give up a lot.

We've had a lot of discussion of how EMU is play D. They are not playing a 'more honest' 2 - 3 zone but playing a 'cheating' (if I may) zone which produces a TON of steals but gives up too many treys.

Next year might be different. LWH is a long, lean PF who fits perfectly in Murphy's zone. We'll see a difference between him and Nazione. I haven't heard anyone call Nazione 'long, lean' or quick afoot ala Bond.

Next year LWH, Thompson, and Bond will be long, lean, and quick footed. It should be fun to watch the bottom of the zone.

Luckeyone, seems we will always disagree on Murphy's accomplishments. He has had some success at EMU as a direct result of his coaching. No he has not had a breakout year, but neither has he had a bad season.

Extrapolating a 2-2 start to lead to an 8-10 record "if we are luckey" during a down year seems a bit exaggerated even considering a track record of 0.500 regular season MAC play for Murphy.

Conversely, other's interpretation of your syatement being only based on one game seems exaggerated as well.

I do agree with a few of your points:

1) this was a bad loss. BG does not seem good enough of a team that you expect can hand you a home loss. I think this is being glossed over perhaps because of the impressive failed comeback.

2) 3 of the 4 conference opponents have shot really well from the 3 against EMU. Is there something to this?

3) a 2-2 start does seem indicative of Murphy's track record. This program needs a break out year.

(01-18-2016 05:26 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I think the big problem on Saturday was the same problem we consistently see. - poor shot selection and bad shooting. It does appear that Murphy now has a short leash for magnum. He took him out soon after a terrible trey attempt. Give BG credit though. Their interior defense was tough. EMU missed a lot of contested layups.

Also, congrats to Murphy for dropping the the loudest F bomb on Price. Everyone sitting in the west side of the arena heard it loud and clear.

What did he say exactly? I mean what was it for?

(01-18-2016 04:43 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 04:20 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 03:56 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 02:24 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I decided to add my two cents separately because the other thread went into personal attacks.

Bottom line for the BG game EMU was out coached by a landslide, out hustled, out rebounded, out played and obviously out scored.

Coach Murphy reminds me of former WMU coach, Bill Cubit who always hovered around average.

BG did exactly what you need to beat a zone by placing their guy at the free throw line and having a baseline Runner. A zone absolutely can not allow entry passes at the free throw line because if that player receives the ball he turns and attacks the rim or passes off to the baseline guy cutting to the basket. The other defensive lapse is that opposing guards are beating our zone and getting to the paint. This absolutely can not happen in a zone. Murphy made no adjustments and our zone got shredded. We got back in the game when Ray Lee was asked to hit miracle shot after miracle shot and then BG decided to sit on the ball. They would have won by 30 if the BG coach hadn't made a strategic error in holding the ball.

Offensively I did notice that we are now looking into the Post for Thompson thank goodness. We also ran a few set plays for our guards. However for the most part, we simply get the ball to a guard and ask him to go 1 on 1 against his man. This type of offense will fail more times than not against good competition. It's basically streetball.

As I have said many times, Murphy has been able to recruit some talent, but has never gotten the talent to overachieve or play consistently well.

We will probably be lucky to finish 8-10 because you absolutely can not lose to BG at home
Just can't do it!!! If we want to contend for the MAC title next year, you have to win games like this, this year.

We'll be lucky to finish 8-10? Based off of one game? Great analysis.

Based off Murphy's conference track record...........

...of which he's never been worse than 8-10 (or 2 games under .500). But now he'll be lucky to get there this year because you "absolutely cannot lose to" a decent team at home. That's as big of an overreaction as thinking we would win the MAC after the CMU game. It's a long season.

I never predicted we would win the MAC based on what I've seen over Murphy's 4 years here. I am not jumping on Murphy, I am only saying we will continue to hover around 0.500 based on his coaching ability.

Personally, to his credit, we have arguably the best post player and best shooting guard in Ray Lee. If Ray were in an offense that set picks for him like Indiana did for Alford, Lee could average 20+ ppg in this conference; however, if we ask him to go 1 on 1 time after time and he has to create his own shots every time, he won't be as effective or play as consistent. I mean some of the shots he took and made Saturday were similar to how an all pro would perform.

(01-18-2016 05:26 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Guys, I think we are a very different team than in the past. No longer do we try to win 50 - 48 games.

Now we score a lot and give up a lot.

We've had a lot of discussion of how EMU is play D. They are not playing a 'more honest' 2 - 3 zone but playing a 'cheating' (if I may) zone which produces a TON of steals but gives up too many treys.

Next year might be different. LWH is a long, lean PF who fits perfectly in Murphy's zone. We'll see a difference between him and Nazione. I haven't heard anyone call Nazione 'long, lean' or quick afoot ala Bond.

Next year LWH, Thompson, and Bond will be long, lean, and quick footed. It should be fun to watch the bottom of the zone.

Excellent points on the scoring and D. This is a different team. And I think Murphy has evolved his strategy a little more this year. I don't think the record shows any positive results yet, but the season is still only half over.

Do you know of anything about Mutphy's feel for Nazione? I was surprised he only got like 15 minutes last game. Thought he was having a great year, is Murphy changing course?

(01-18-2016 08:48 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 05:26 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Guys, I think we are a very different team than in the past. No longer do we try to win 50 - 48 games.

Now we score a lot and give up a lot.

We've had a lot of discussion of how EMU is play D. They are not playing a 'more honest' 2 - 3 zone but playing a 'cheating' (if I may) zone which produces a TON of steals but gives up too many treys.

Next year might be different. LWH is a long, lean PF who fits perfectly in Murphy's zone. We'll see a difference between him and Nazione. I haven't heard anyone call Nazione 'long, lean' or quick afoot ala Bond.

Next year LWH, Thompson, and Bond will be long, lean, and quick footed. It should be fun to watch the bottom of the zone.

Excellent points on the scoring and D. This is a different team. And I think Murphy has evolved his strategy a little more this year. I don't think the record shows any positive results yet, but the season is still only half over.

Do you know of anything about Mutphy's feel for Nazione? I was surprised he only got like 15 minutes last game. Thought he was having a great year, is Murphy changing course?

Lot of it is playing the talent one has.

I'm thinking off the top of my head, but Naz isn't the idea '4' in the Murphy defense.
Nobles actually is (or will be with experience). I assume Naz would be a better man-to-man defender.

Hell, who knows, maybe next season Bond gets more time at PG, both on offense AND Defense where his size at the top of the zone would be very difficult for other team.

I can see LWH, Thompson, Price up front. Bond and Lee in the backcourt. Tailors would like this team - long armed guys with long sleeves for their shirts and coats.

(01-18-2016 08:39 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-18-2016 05:26 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  I think the big problem on Saturday was the same problem we consistently see. - poor shot selection and bad shooting. It does appear that Murphy now has a short leash for magnum. He took him out soon after a terrible trey attempt. Give BG credit though. Their interior defense was tough. EMU missed a lot of contested layups.

Also, congrats to Murphy for dropping the the loudest F bomb on Price. Everyone sitting in the west side of the arena heard it loud and clear.

What did he say exactly? I mean what was it for?

Paraphrasing here but it was something like "stop f'ing dribbling the ball". Everyone sitting around us was snickering. I'm sure they're were some that were not amused though.