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Thoughts on Ayn Rand?
It's been a while since I reread Rand's work, but it's been in my mind since I overheard a couple of coworkers getting into a debate about Atlas Shrugged during lunch today. Unsurprisingly, one thinks it's hot garbage while the other treats it like it's his personal anthem (pun intended). What do you think?

I believe Rand is so controversial because there are fundamental values within her philosophy that cut deeply into the heart of our sociopolitical discourse. While she is accused of having a philosophy of selfishness, I think that criticism misses the point. The idea is that it describes the actual human condition that those who claim to be selfless are often acting in keen self-interest, and the more they pretend to be selfless the more selfish and deceptive they actually are. From that perspective, what her philosophy provides is what could be seen as a far more honest and open acknowledgment of our humanness. If we acknowledge that inherent selfishness, are open about it, and are content with it instead of pretending it doesn't exist, it creates more "real" human relationships.

Regarding her writing style, I've always thought that the key to Rand is to not take her work too literally. Don’t think about politics, economics, and morality, instead appreciate her celebration of excellence and the courage to take responsibility for your own actions. Yes, her characters are unrealistic and her social theories can be questionable, but people who criticize her work on those grounds miss the point. Rand's work should be read as allegory, like Aesop's fables. They're completely exaggerated. The characters are infallible in a way that no real humans are, but that's ok. They're motivating. It puts a stagger in my step. I become Roark and Taggert, uncompromising, unflinching, and unafraid. Rand implores you to be a maker and not a taker, and reminds you that hard work occurs before the paycheck instead of the other way around.

Some people read Atlas Shrugged and walk away thinking that life is unfair, Galt is a world class a$$hole, and that industrialists have an advantage over the rest of us. Others read it and think "F yeah, let's build a railroad!" Rand says to be proud of your work, you can accomplish greatness, personal excellence is the highest aim, some people want you to fail but f them, and to honor those who you love. I've always thought that you've most likely misunderstood Rand if you hate her.
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RE: Thoughts on Ayn Rand?
I enjoyed Anthem but I found just about everything else to be unreadable.

I didn't have a problem with her philosophy just how she wrote.
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(12-30-2015 08:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I enjoyed Anthem but I found just about everything else to be unreadable.
I didn't have a problem with her philosophy just how she wrote.

Glad to know I'm not alone.
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(12-30-2015 08:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I enjoyed Anthem but I found just about everything else to be unreadable.

I didn't have a problem with her philosophy just how she wrote.

Same here. I honestly couldn't finish any of her books.
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long winded and boring
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(12-30-2015 09:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-30-2015 08:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I enjoyed Anthem but I found just about everything else to be unreadable.
I didn't have a problem with her philosophy just how she wrote.

Glad to know I'm not alone.

Me too. While I may agree with many of her thoughts, I just can't read her without being put to sleep.
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RE: Thoughts on Ayn Rand?
(12-30-2015 11:16 PM)Crebman Wrote:  
(12-30-2015 09:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(12-30-2015 08:57 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I enjoyed Anthem but I found just about everything else to be unreadable.
I didn't have a problem with her philosophy just how she wrote.

Glad to know I'm not alone.

Me too. While I may agree with many of her thoughts, I just can't read her without being put to sleep.

Agreed, I read Atlas Shrugged and felt exactly that way. I have no desire to read anything else she wrote unless I can find a cliff notes version then I might consider it.
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I liked Fountainhead.
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I thought The Fountainhead was way better than Atlas Shrugged, John Galt's speech is just ridiculous, although the middle 200 pages of The Fountainhead are also protracted.

I quite like Rand's philosophy, but I have two problems with her legacy. The books are badly written and the Ayn Rand Institute miss the point in my opinion and they give her a bad name. Because of those two things, people who profess to read or quote Rand are seen as nut jobs.
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I took a long time reading AS with breaks in between to think about what Rand wrote. Then I read it again and highlighted passages that I really found though provoking. While I agree she was long winded, I still think it is a magnificent work of literature that has probably influenced more people politically than anything ever written in the modern era. I can for sure say it influenced me a great deal in the way I look at things.
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I tried.....her prose is beyond boring.....she gets way too much credit for simple insight within 'outside wanting in'....

to each his own....

her shite stares you in face daily....
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RE: Thoughts on Ayn Rand?
Can't bring myself to read books that long.

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(12-31-2015 07:11 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I tried.....her prose is beyond boring.....she gets way too much credit for simple insight within 'outside wanting in'....

to each his own....

her shite stares you in face daily....

Her work has to be read understanding the era it was composed. Lots of works in that time were overworked and could have been short stories.
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I much prefer John Steinbeck.
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I am a big fan of AS but I am not a fan of Ayn Rand. I like the Public Choice insights in AS.

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Had to read Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead in the same semester in high school. Enjoyed both.
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Her best known disciple was Alan Greenspan.
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The thing about Ayn Rand is she did not think of her philosophy as allegory. Her Magnus opus was AS. The reason it becomes insufferable is because she inserted her philosophy book into the story off the lips of John Galt. When I was younger, I liked Rand a lot. However, her stories aren't allegories. They're straw men. When the characters are so thoroughly idealized and thus become so 2 dimensional, the point she tries to convey is lost on those who can think. When the argument pits "winning the 100 mil powerball lottery" or getting bone cancer, everyone chooses the ideals Rand puts in front of you. In reality, she repackages classical liberalism in her own words. She does a disservice to classical liberalism, and in fact Objectivism is not the same thing. Honestly, not sure what Objectivism really is TBH because it seems to be redefined regularly. One thing I know is she loathed libertarians.
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(01-01-2016 08:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Her best known disciple was Alan Greenspan.

And he was far and away a disappointment if you judge him by purely objectivism standards.
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(01-01-2016 08:47 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Her best known disciple was Alan Greenspan.

Yeah- He didn't retain too much of Rand. He was a central planner who enjoyed his central planning.
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