(12-18-2015 04:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 02:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 01:40 PM)esayem Wrote:  Regardless of everyone's opinions in this thread, the fact of the matter is: Rice and UTEP are serious enough candidates to be discussed in official MWC meetings. Any other school being mentioned in this thread is not.*

*Except BYU, but they're not considering the MWC.

Apparently, because said schools didn't send an email to the MWC saying they'd be interesting in joining.

Not quite sure why you are crusading against the only legitimate expansion talk on what is becoming a joke of a message board.

Because nobody likes us western schools

(12-18-2015 04:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 02:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 01:40 PM)esayem Wrote:  Regardless of everyone's opinions in this thread, the fact of the matter is: Rice and UTEP are serious enough candidates to be discussed in official MWC meetings. Any other school being mentioned in this thread is not.*

*Except BYU, but they're not considering the MWC.

Apparently, because said schools didn't send an email to the MWC saying they'd be interesting in joining.

Not quite sure why you are crusading against the only legitimate expansion talk on what is becoming a joke of a message board.

Ha. Legitimate.

Expansion is few and far between, these days. I guess the board could be shut down ... there's very little actual expansion to talk about.

Still, it seems to be a fun cast of characters to "shoot the stuff" in regards to the modern day externalities of college football.

(12-18-2015 09:59 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I don't think Rice goes to the MW.

The moment Rice decides to go big in college athletics - and they can hit the switch whenever they like - is the exact moment that they skip the tweener leagues altogether and just go directly to the P5. They are not a usual G5 program. There are no academic or institutional deficiencies that they need to cover for with an elite football team.

Rice is an insanely valuable ally to have in any conference.

I'd call that, and raise with this: if positioned toward athletics like other elite FBS private schools, they could be desired more than anyone in that state but UT and TAMU.

Obviously easier said than done, but even a little more interest and focus could do things for them.

Rice to the MWC maybe opens the door to rice to the pac 12. Yet, that is a lot of travel for Rice to join the mwc but it would all flying so probably not big deal.

(12-18-2015 02:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 02:13 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 01:49 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 08:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well even if BYU can't be counted in, you could still have the Big West restart its FBS football conference.

Big West:

SD St (join BW as full member)
Fresno St (join BW as full member)
Cal Poly (move up to FBS football)
San Jose St (join BW as full member)
Sac St (move up to FBS football)
Nevada (join BW as full member)
UNLV (join BW as full member)
Idaho (football affiliate)


MWC:

Boise / Utah St
Wyoming / Colo St
Air Force / New Mexico
NM St / UTEP

UC Davis moving up makes more sense if we're going that route. And Hawaii would be included since they're already a BW member and in the FBS ranks. One of the Cal State trio is left out (SDSU, Fresno, San Jose).

It won't work. SDSU and UNLV would never voluntarily return to the Big West - too big of an ego. Also, even though it would be an FBS conference again you're splitting the pie at least 14 ways. And what about bowl ties, tv contracts? The BW never had more than one guaranteed bowl game. I don't see the G5 allowing another conference to rise up and take their share of the CFP monies.

I forgot Hawaii. They would be included, yes. Perhaps instead of Sac or Poly moving up. I just selected Sac and Poly because they're both CSU schools, like the other three. Nothing against Davis.

The BW has nine and so adding five would be 14, as you said, but it would be worked out so that any money from the CFP, bowls, etc. (football money) would only be distributed to the football schools, while other sports money (basketball money) would be distributed among all 14.

That's not hard at all.


SDSU, UNLV, etc. would have to decide if that was a better scenario than what they have in the MWC.

The Big West would have to be blown up and reassembled (With the remnants going to the WAC) but I have a train of thought of 'solving' some geographical and FCS schools moving up. (so a 3rd FBS conference emerges) It would involve either everyone being added to the MW and then split off or some special rule/waiver by the NCAA.

My nuclear option: (Hawaii force to go Indy and join BYU)

I've split by the two conference by time zones (PST and MST).
PST Conf: (10 teams)
Portland St, E. Wash, UCD, Sac St, SJSU, FSU, Cal Poly, SDSU, Nev, UNLV

MST Conf: (10 Teams)
Mont, Mt St., Boise St., Idaho St., NM, NMSU, Wyo, CSU, USU, Air Force

Conference champs of each meet on NYD in a bowl created for the 2 conferences in LA, SD, PHX or Tuc.
If during this process Long Beach wanted in and started up football, they would replace Cal Poly.
If each conference wanted a CCG and 12 teams.
PST: B.C. and SFU (when NCAA allows Canadian Schools)
MST: UTEP and NAU.

Or: Just have a mega 20 team conference and the divisions are split by time zone (Hawaii still goes Indy and LBSU must get a football team and Cal Poly stay FCS)

That should resolve the bigger FCS schools and any school left in the Big Sky (including ID) is because the school is too small or they have too small of a market for FBS.

Depends if the other Big West schools decides to add football. Plus, you do have an Azusa Pacific that could rent out the Rose Bowl to play until they can get theor stadium built up.

West Texas A&M could be something that the MWC Colorado schools could be interested with. Amarillo is closer to Air Force to travel.

Maybe down the future Colorado State-Pueblo could be look at to replace one of the Colorado schools if they leave. I just don't see Northern Colorado, Colorado Mines or other Denver area schools be brought up since you already have 2 schools in the FBS level in that area.

(12-18-2015 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Maybe down the future Colorado State-Pueblo could be look at to replace one of the Colorado schools if they leave. I just don't see Northern Colorado, Colorado Mines or other Denver area schools be brought up since you already have 2 schools in the FBS level in that area.

As an alumnus of what is now CSU-Pueblo, I ask you to stop this silliness. You obviously know nothing about the school. The only reason CSU-P has football is because of a $7 million gift from a pair of alumni, as husband and wife.

BTW, UNC is already a D1 (FCS) school. It's a failure as a D1, but it is a D1.

(12-18-2015 04:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Expansion is few and far between, these days. I guess the board could be shut down ... there's very little actual expansion to talk about.

That's why the board name was changed from "Conference Realignment" to "College Sports and Conference Realignment".

(12-19-2015 02:18 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Expansion is few and far between, these days. I guess the board could be shut down ... there's very little actual expansion to talk about.

That's why the board name was changed from "Conference Realignment" to "College Sports and Conference Realignment".

There may not be much realignment ahead at the FBS level, but for the rest of Division I we still can have the following:

1. Big South expanding football, or possibly no longer sponsoring it
2. Whether NJIT can find a more appropriate home
3. Atlantic Sun expansion (and/or replacing NJIT)
4. WAC expansion (and/or replacing NMSU)
5. Whether UTA and UALR leave the Sun Belt
   

Even at the FBS level we still have the huge question marks surrounding New Mexico State and Idaho, and the always slim possibility of Notre Dame joining a conference. Then of course, we have Liberty openly contemplating trying to get into FBS by litigation.

(12-19-2015 10:55 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 02:18 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Expansion is few and far between, these days. I guess the board could be shut down ... there's very little actual expansion to talk about.

That's why the board name was changed from "Conference Realignment" to "College Sports and Conference Realignment".

There may not be much realignment ahead at the FBS level, but for the rest of Division I we still can have the following:

1. Big South expanding football, or possibly no longer sponsoring it
2. Whether NJIT can find a more appropriate home
3. Atlantic Sun expansion (and/or replacing NJIT)
4. WAC expansion (and/or replacing NMSU)
5. Whether UTA and UALR leave the Sun Belt

Even at the FBS level we still have the huge question marks surrounding New Mexico State and Idaho, and the always slim possibility of Notre Dame joining a conference. Then of course, we have Liberty openly contemplating trying to get into FBS by litigation.

Those are indeed realignment topics, even if much smaller bore than people were used to in the recent wave of power conference realignment ... which I would guess is why it was changed from "Conference Realignment" to "College Sports and Conference Realignment", and not just to "General College Sports Discussion".

(12-19-2015 10:55 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 02:18 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Expansion is few and far between, these days. I guess the board could be shut down ... there's very little actual expansion to talk about.

That's why the board name was changed from "Conference Realignment" to "College Sports and Conference Realignment".

There may not be much realignment ahead at the FBS level, but for the rest of Division I we still can have the following:

1. Big South expanding football, or possibly no longer sponsoring it
2. Whether NJIT can find a more appropriate home
3. Atlantic Sun expansion (and/or replacing NJIT)
4. WAC expansion (and/or replacing NMSU)
5. Whether UTA and UALR leave the Sun Belt
   

Even at the FBS level we still have the huge question marks surrounding New Mexico State and Idaho, and the always slim possibility of Notre Dame joining a conference. Then of course, we have Liberty openly contemplating trying to get into FBS by litigation.

And while it's not especially likely in the near or mid-term future, there's no way people won't be speculating about Big 12 expansion until they actually go ahead and do it.

And if Liberty can pave another path to FBS, that'll potentially open the floodgates for the likes of JMU, EKU, North Dakota State and others.

It's the nature of people here. Division 1 could reorganize so dramatically that each of its 350 some-odd schools could be in a different conference, and within two weeks we'll be speculating about moves and mergers.

(12-18-2015 10:47 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  And where will this "switch flipping" money going to come from?

The last Rice endowment number, from 2014, was $5.6 Billion. We also have some restrictive rules about corporate donations to athletics.

(12-18-2015 08:31 PM)lew240z Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Maybe down the future Colorado State-Pueblo could be look at to replace one of the Colorado schools if they leave. I just don't see Northern Colorado, Colorado Mines or other Denver area schools be brought up since you already have 2 schools in the FBS level in that area.

As an alumnus of what is now CSU-Pueblo, I ask you to stop this silliness. You obviously know nothing about the school. The only reason CSU-P has football is because of a $7 million gift from a pair of alumni, as husband and wife.

BTW, UNC is already a D1 (FCS) school. It's a failure as a D1, but it is a D1.

I used to lived in Colorado Springs, and know something about the Pueblo area. Colorado State-Pueblo have some potential to be a D1 program. They could be better than Northern Colorado at the D1 level in football.

(12-19-2015 06:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 08:31 PM)lew240z Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Maybe down the future Colorado State-Pueblo could be look at to replace one of the Colorado schools if they leave. I just don't see Northern Colorado, Colorado Mines or other Denver area schools be brought up since you already have 2 schools in the FBS level in that area.

As an alumnus of what is now CSU-Pueblo, I ask you to stop this silliness. You obviously know nothing about the school. The only reason CSU-P has football is because of a $7 million gift from a pair of alumni, as husband and wife.

BTW, UNC is already a D1 (FCS) school. It's a failure as a D1, but it is a D1.

I used to lived in Colorado Springs, and know something about the Pueblo area. Colorado State-Pueblo have some potential to be a D1 program. They could be better than Northern Colorado at the D1 level in football.

The school has 5000 students. That is about a thousand less than when I graduated in 1976. There is no D1 potential, nor is there any desire. And there is no money and no source of money to go D1. If you lived in COS, you should know that even though CSU-P more than sells out its 7000 seat stadium, Pueblo high school games routinely draw 14,000. The largest crowd ever at the Thunderwolf Bowl was for the East vs South Cannon game.

(12-19-2015 06:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 08:31 PM)lew240z Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Maybe down the future Colorado State-Pueblo could be look at to replace one of the Colorado schools if they leave. I just don't see Northern Colorado, Colorado Mines or other Denver area schools be brought up since you already have 2 schools in the FBS level in that area.

As an alumnus of what is now CSU-Pueblo, I ask you to stop this silliness. You obviously know nothing about the school. The only reason CSU-P has football is because of a $7 million gift from a pair of alumni, as husband and wife.

BTW, UNC is already a D1 (FCS) school. It's a failure as a D1, but it is a D1.

I used to lived in Colorado Springs, and know something about the Pueblo area. Colorado State-Pueblo have some potential to be a D1 program. They could be better than Northern Colorado at the D1 level in football.

No. Colorado used to have a top DII program, beating up NDSU, UND, SDSU, USD and Omaha as we were all in the same league. NC doesn't have depth and allegiance in their alumni base, as fans abandon them when they lose. Once they are gone, it's hard to get them back in the Denver area, because of many options. Colorado and Colorado St are only a short car drive away.

The Big Sky was in love with them because of its media market, but that never really panned out.

Pueblo doesn't have any appeal for a DI football league, as it has a tiny media and people don't move there.

(12-19-2015 09:39 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 08:31 PM)lew240z Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Maybe down the future Colorado State-Pueblo could be look at to replace one of the Colorado schools if they leave. I just don't see Northern Colorado, Colorado Mines or other Denver area schools be brought up since you already have 2 schools in the FBS level in that area.

As an alumnus of what is now CSU-Pueblo, I ask you to stop this silliness. You obviously know nothing about the school. The only reason CSU-P has football is because of a $7 million gift from a pair of alumni, as husband and wife.

BTW, UNC is already a D1 (FCS) school. It's a failure as a D1, but it is a D1.

I used to lived in Colorado Springs, and know something about the Pueblo area. Colorado State-Pueblo have some potential to be a D1 program. They could be better than Northern Colorado at the D1 level in football.

No. Colorado used to have a top DII program, beating up NDSU, UND, SDSU, USD and Omaha as we were all in the same league. NC doesn't have depth and allegiance in their alumni base, as fans abandon them when they lose. Once they are gone, it's hard to get them back in the Denver area, because of many options. Colorado and Colorado St are only a short car drive away.

The Big Sky was in love with them because of its media market, but that never really panned out.

Pueblo doesn't have any appeal for a DI football league, as it has a tiny media and people don't move there.

What I am saying is that they are in a much better position because they would not be competing with Colorado, Colorado and Denver for fans and all that. Moving to D1 could help raise their image, and start getting enrollment back up. They could compete very well in the Big Sky. They could be a travel partner for Northern Colorado.

(12-19-2015 02:18 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Expansion is few and far between, these days. I guess the board could be shut down ... there's very little actual expansion to talk about.

That's why the board name was changed from "Conference Realignment" to "College Sports and Conference Realignment".

Fair enough!

(12-19-2015 02:46 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:55 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 02:18 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:52 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Expansion is few and far between, these days. I guess the board could be shut down ... there's very little actual expansion to talk about.

That's why the board name was changed from "Conference Realignment" to "College Sports and Conference Realignment".

There may not be much realignment ahead at the FBS level, but for the rest of Division I we still can have the following:

1. Big South expanding football, or possibly no longer sponsoring it
2. Whether NJIT can find a more appropriate home
3. Atlantic Sun expansion (and/or replacing NJIT)
4. WAC expansion (and/or replacing NMSU)
5. Whether UTA and UALR leave the Sun Belt
   

Even at the FBS level we still have the huge question marks surrounding New Mexico State and Idaho, and the always slim possibility of Notre Dame joining a conference. Then of course, we have Liberty openly contemplating trying to get into FBS by litigation.

And while it's not especially likely in the near or mid-term future, there's no way people won't be speculating about Big 12 expansion until they actually go ahead and do it.

And if Liberty can pave another path to FBS, that'll potentially open the floodgates for the likes of JMU, EKU, North Dakota State and others.

It's the nature of people here. Division 1 could reorganize so dramatically that each of its 350 some-odd schools could be in a different conference, and within two weeks we'll be speculating about moves and mergers.

As much as I would like NDSU to be able to join FBS as an independent -- even without any share of CFP money -- I hope Liberty fails.

If it were any other school, I'd be rooting for them to win. Not Liberty. I want only the worst, for that institution.

(I'm sure there are many a fine people there, and I want only the best for them ... somewhere else)

(12-19-2015 03:32 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 10:47 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  And where will this "switch flipping" money going to come from?

The last Rice endowment number, from 2014, was $5.6 Billion. We also have some restrictive rules about corporate donations to athletics.

Ah, so Rice has figured out a way to legally liquidize endowed gifts to the university, most of which have restrictions on how they can be spent.

Kudos to Rice. That takes some pretty big cajones.

Rice has a nice stadium renovation going on right now don't they.
They have been decent lately in football.
New conference renovated right sized stadium that is a good start.

(12-23-2015 09:35 PM)MJG Wrote:  Rice has a nice stadium renovation going on right now don't they.
They have been decent lately in football.
New conference renovated right sized stadium that is a good start.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Rice was using something like a MWC call-up to just get an idea what their media pull could potentially be? With the company of these schools, what it could be with other, bigger schools?

Take that figure and start talking to other presidents?