(12-11-2015 10:24 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 11:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans need to get rid of Trump ASAP.

I stated that Tramp is the closest we've had to an American Hitler and I was being called crazy. This guy is dangerous not only to America but to the whole world.

On one hand, I do agree that his similarities to Hitler are there. Most tellingly, he's making a lot of his gains on bar-room level racist rhetoric aimed at capitalizing on racist and xenophobic elements within the country. But, and the importance of this difference cannot be understated, I do not think he has any real deep-seeded racist hatred or goals similar to those of Hitler.

Part of me still thinks he's not taking this seriously in the least, and that he knows what he's doing; outlining the absurdity in taking the most conservative elements of the Republican Party to it's logical conclusion. Speak enough rhetoric praising mythical job creators and lambasting politicians, while also walking a tightrope of dog whistle xenophobic politics, and Trump is your worst nightmare. Trump doesn't care to tiptoe the line on the xenophobia, instead diving head first into it, and he's one of those glorious job creators, so what can these career politicians do to attack him on that?

EDIT: And before it gets taken this way, I am in no way saying every Republican is xenophobic or anything negative I associated with some Republican voters. I am saying that SOME of their base is, and Trump is pandering to them. You can of course be a conservative without thinking that banning all muslims is a logical policy or that somehow forcing mexico to build a fence isn't pure fantasy.

comparing Trump, or really any American politician to Hitler is insulting to the 6mm Jews who died under Hitler's orders. Trump is as politically incorrect as he could possibly be, but he hasn't killed anyone, nor has he called for any innocent person to be killed

(12-14-2015 10:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  comparing Trump, or really any American politician to Hitler is insulting to the 6mm Jews who died under Hitler's orders. Trump is as politically incorrect as he could possibly be, but he hasn't killed anyone, nor has he called for any innocent person to be killed

You can compare the two with the explicit qualification that you're not talking about that aspect of Hitler, and simply his path to garnering the support he received. Like I said, in no way do I think Trump has any deep seated perverse racial ideology like Hitler, but I do find the way in which he's gaining support similar in a way.

(12-10-2015 07:12 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/vide...2434371851

Apologies if it's a repost. Tom Brokaw's powerful reminder of our past examples of over-reaction to a threat (Japanese internment/McCarthyism).

I have seen some scholars articulate that McCarthy was on the right path with his theories. He knew that Communists had infiltrated our government.

FDR, the archetype Democrat, sure loved his camps. FBI Hoover warned him that it wasn't necessary, but he just had to do it. Funny, how it is usually glossed over.

(12-14-2015 10:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  comparing Trump, or really any American politician to Hitler is insulting to the 6mm Jews who died under Hitler's orders. Trump is as politically incorrect as he could possibly be, but he hasn't killed anyone, nor has he called for any innocent person to be killed

This.

I am sick and tired of people comparing stuff to Hitler. It is ridiculous and a cheap form of smear campaign. Trump's comments may be egregious, but his words aren't killing camps.

(12-14-2015 10:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 10:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  comparing Trump, or really any American politician to Hitler is insulting to the 6mm Jews who died under Hitler's orders. Trump is as politically incorrect as he could possibly be, but he hasn't killed anyone, nor has he called for any innocent person to be killed

You can compare the two with the explicit qualification that you're not talking about that aspect of Hitler, and simply his path to garnering the support he received. Like I said, in no way do I think Trump has any deep seated perverse racial ideology like Hitler, but I do find the way in which he's gaining support similar in a way.

That's like comparing someone to God, without all the 'omnipotent and omnipresent' aspects.... or saying someone is just like Adele, without the voice or Candace Swanepoel without the body and looks.

Why don't you compare him to Strom Thurmond or George Wallace, Putin or Ahmedinijan since unlike Hitler, he hasn't suggested, much less accomplished the killing of millions of people.

(12-14-2015 10:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  comparing Trump, or really any American politician to Hitler is insulting to the 6mm Jews who died under Hitler's orders. Trump is as politically incorrect as he could possibly be, but he hasn't killed anyone, nor has he called for any innocent person to be killed

what's insulting to those 6mm jews is not taking any of the lessons learned from the 1930s and applying those lessons today.

Just because he isn't comparable to 1940s Hitler doesn't mean you can't compare him to 1930s Hitler.

(12-14-2015 10:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  comparing Trump, or really any American politician to Hitler is insulting to the 6mm Jews who died under Hitler's orders. Trump is as politically incorrect as he could possibly be, but he hasn't killed anyone, nor has he called for any innocent person to be killed

Not only that but Hitler Murdered Jews that posed No threat to Germany nor Their ally's. Not even close to the logic Trump talks about in waiting on bringing in Muslims until You know exactly Whom is the Good Guys or the Bad Guys. This group of Syrians have grown up with and been compromised by Radical Islam that preaches Killing Non radical Islamist's and Infidels . Meaning Westerners, including Most of Us. I don't want Those here either. Sometimes it pays to Not be stupid with decision making.

(12-14-2015 11:11 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 10:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  comparing Trump, or really any American politician to Hitler is insulting to the 6mm Jews who died under Hitler's orders. Trump is as politically incorrect as he could possibly be, but he hasn't killed anyone, nor has he called for any innocent person to be killed

This.

I am sick and tired of people comparing stuff to Hitler. It is ridiculous and a cheap form of smear campaign. Trump's comments may be egregious, but his words aren't killing camps.

Doing so is proof somebody is an abject moron.

It's as if being charismatic is to be dangerous.

(12-14-2015 09:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 10:24 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 11:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans need to get rid of Trump ASAP.

I stated that Tramp is the closest we've had to an American Hitler and I was being called crazy. This guy is dangerous not only to America but to the whole world.

On one hand, I do agree that his similarities to Hitler are there. Most tellingly, he's making a lot of his gains on bar-room level racist rhetoric aimed at capitalizing on racist and xenophobic elements within the country. But, and the importance of this difference cannot be understated, I do not think he has any real deep-seeded racist hatred or goals similar to those of Hitler.

Part of me still thinks he's not taking this seriously in the least, and that he knows what he's doing; outlining the absurdity in taking the most conservative elements of the Republican Party to it's logical conclusion. Speak enough rhetoric praising mythical job creators and lambasting politicians, while also walking a tightrope of dog whistle xenophobic politics, and Trump is your worst nightmare. Trump doesn't care to tiptoe the line on the xenophobia, instead diving head first into it, and he's one of those glorious job creators, so what can these career politicians do to attack him on that?

EDIT: And before it gets taken this way, I am in no way saying every Republican is xenophobic or anything negative I associated with some Republican voters. I am saying that SOME of their base is, and Trump is pandering to them. You can of course be a conservative without thinking that banning all muslims is a logical policy or that somehow forcing mexico to build a fence isn't pure fantasy.

How much of what Trump says do you think is purposely aimed at causing a stir in the media so they cover him all the time? I mean, he doesn't have to spend a dime on political ads - he just says some on the edge stuff and watches the media lose their collective minds and splash his name and picture all across both print and television almost non-stop.

It would appear he's following that age old Hollywood notion that all publicity is good publicity.....

(12-15-2015 08:47 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 09:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 10:24 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 11:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans need to get rid of Trump ASAP.

I stated that Tramp is the closest we've had to an American Hitler and I was being called crazy. This guy is dangerous not only to America but to the whole world.

On one hand, I do agree that his similarities to Hitler are there. Most tellingly, he's making a lot of his gains on bar-room level racist rhetoric aimed at capitalizing on racist and xenophobic elements within the country. But, and the importance of this difference cannot be understated, I do not think he has any real deep-seeded racist hatred or goals similar to those of Hitler.

Part of me still thinks he's not taking this seriously in the least, and that he knows what he's doing; outlining the absurdity in taking the most conservative elements of the Republican Party to it's logical conclusion. Speak enough rhetoric praising mythical job creators and lambasting politicians, while also walking a tightrope of dog whistle xenophobic politics, and Trump is your worst nightmare. Trump doesn't care to tiptoe the line on the xenophobia, instead diving head first into it, and he's one of those glorious job creators, so what can these career politicians do to attack him on that?

EDIT: And before it gets taken this way, I am in no way saying every Republican is xenophobic or anything negative I associated with some Republican voters. I am saying that SOME of their base is, and Trump is pandering to them. You can of course be a conservative without thinking that banning all muslims is a logical policy or that somehow forcing mexico to build a fence isn't pure fantasy.

How much of what Trump says do you think is purposely aimed at causing a stir in the media so they cover him all the time? I mean, he doesn't have to spend a dime on political ads - he just says some on the edge stuff and watches the media lose their collective minds and splash his name and picture all across both print and television almost non-stop.

It would appear he's following that age old Hollywood notion that all publicity is good publicity.....

Probably a good portion of it, which leads to another issue in our primary system that I think plagues the Republican Party more than the Democratic, candidates running only as a medium for free advertisement. Palin, Huckabee, etc all ran in the past to do nothing more than up their book sales.

Hitler was a nationalist-socialist. Trump is now preaching nationalism. If he wins the nomination, he will pivot to tout the socialism... the only way he can win. Trump isn't going to kill millions of people while trying to conquer the world and he is not the evil man Hitler was, but his philosophy does indeed resemble a moderated form of facism. A lot of his voters might be disappointed when they meet the general election version of Trump.

(12-15-2015 08:55 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:47 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 09:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 10:24 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 11:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans need to get rid of Trump ASAP.

I stated that Tramp is the closest we've had to an American Hitler and I was being called crazy. This guy is dangerous not only to America but to the whole world.

On one hand, I do agree that his similarities to Hitler are there. Most tellingly, he's making a lot of his gains on bar-room level racist rhetoric aimed at capitalizing on racist and xenophobic elements within the country. But, and the importance of this difference cannot be understated, I do not think he has any real deep-seeded racist hatred or goals similar to those of Hitler.

Part of me still thinks he's not taking this seriously in the least, and that he knows what he's doing; outlining the absurdity in taking the most conservative elements of the Republican Party to it's logical conclusion. Speak enough rhetoric praising mythical job creators and lambasting politicians, while also walking a tightrope of dog whistle xenophobic politics, and Trump is your worst nightmare. Trump doesn't care to tiptoe the line on the xenophobia, instead diving head first into it, and he's one of those glorious job creators, so what can these career politicians do to attack him on that?

EDIT: And before it gets taken this way, I am in no way saying every Republican is xenophobic or anything negative I associated with some Republican voters. I am saying that SOME of their base is, and Trump is pandering to them. You can of course be a conservative without thinking that banning all muslims is a logical policy or that somehow forcing mexico to build a fence isn't pure fantasy.

How much of what Trump says do you think is purposely aimed at causing a stir in the media so they cover him all the time? I mean, he doesn't have to spend a dime on political ads - he just says some on the edge stuff and watches the media lose their collective minds and splash his name and picture all across both print and television almost non-stop.

It would appear he's following that age old Hollywood notion that all publicity is good publicity.....

Probably a good portion of it, which leads to another issue in our primary system that I think plagues the Republican Party more than the Democratic, candidates running only as a medium for free advertisement. Palin, Huckabee, etc all ran in the past to do nothing more than up their book sales.

Palin has never run for president.

(12-15-2015 08:55 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:47 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 09:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 10:24 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 11:29 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans need to get rid of Trump ASAP.

I stated that Tramp is the closest we've had to an American Hitler and I was being called crazy. This guy is dangerous not only to America but to the whole world.

On one hand, I do agree that his similarities to Hitler are there. Most tellingly, he's making a lot of his gains on bar-room level racist rhetoric aimed at capitalizing on racist and xenophobic elements within the country. But, and the importance of this difference cannot be understated, I do not think he has any real deep-seeded racist hatred or goals similar to those of Hitler.

Part of me still thinks he's not taking this seriously in the least, and that he knows what he's doing; outlining the absurdity in taking the most conservative elements of the Republican Party to it's logical conclusion. Speak enough rhetoric praising mythical job creators and lambasting politicians, while also walking a tightrope of dog whistle xenophobic politics, and Trump is your worst nightmare. Trump doesn't care to tiptoe the line on the xenophobia, instead diving head first into it, and he's one of those glorious job creators, so what can these career politicians do to attack him on that?

EDIT: And before it gets taken this way, I am in no way saying every Republican is xenophobic or anything negative I associated with some Republican voters. I am saying that SOME of their base is, and Trump is pandering to them. You can of course be a conservative without thinking that banning all muslims is a logical policy or that somehow forcing mexico to build a fence isn't pure fantasy.

How much of what Trump says do you think is purposely aimed at causing a stir in the media so they cover him all the time? I mean, he doesn't have to spend a dime on political ads - he just says some on the edge stuff and watches the media lose their collective minds and splash his name and picture all across both print and television almost non-stop.

It would appear he's following that age old Hollywood notion that all publicity is good publicity.....

Probably a good portion of it, which leads to another issue in our primary system that I think plagues the Republican Party more than the Democratic, candidates running only as a medium for free advertisement. Palin, Huckabee, etc all ran in the past to do nothing more than up their book sales.

Funny, I thought Sara Palin was chosen to run as Vice President. What offices has she run for since that?

So - many Republicans only run for free advertisements, but the Democrats all run for altruistic reasons. Wow - that's good to know. Bullsh!t!

(12-15-2015 09:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:55 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:47 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 09:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 10:24 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I stated that Tramp is the closest we've had to an American Hitler and I was being called crazy. This guy is dangerous not only to America but to the whole world.

On one hand, I do agree that his similarities to Hitler are there. Most tellingly, he's making a lot of his gains on bar-room level racist rhetoric aimed at capitalizing on racist and xenophobic elements within the country. But, and the importance of this difference cannot be understated, I do not think he has any real deep-seeded racist hatred or goals similar to those of Hitler.

Part of me still thinks he's not taking this seriously in the least, and that he knows what he's doing; outlining the absurdity in taking the most conservative elements of the Republican Party to it's logical conclusion. Speak enough rhetoric praising mythical job creators and lambasting politicians, while also walking a tightrope of dog whistle xenophobic politics, and Trump is your worst nightmare. Trump doesn't care to tiptoe the line on the xenophobia, instead diving head first into it, and he's one of those glorious job creators, so what can these career politicians do to attack him on that?

EDIT: And before it gets taken this way, I am in no way saying every Republican is xenophobic or anything negative I associated with some Republican voters. I am saying that SOME of their base is, and Trump is pandering to them. You can of course be a conservative without thinking that banning all muslims is a logical policy or that somehow forcing mexico to build a fence isn't pure fantasy.

How much of what Trump says do you think is purposely aimed at causing a stir in the media so they cover him all the time? I mean, he doesn't have to spend a dime on political ads - he just says some on the edge stuff and watches the media lose their collective minds and splash his name and picture all across both print and television almost non-stop.

It would appear he's following that age old Hollywood notion that all publicity is good publicity.....

Probably a good portion of it, which leads to another issue in our primary system that I think plagues the Republican Party more than the Democratic, candidates running only as a medium for free advertisement. Palin, Huckabee, etc all ran in the past to do nothing more than up their book sales.

Palin has never run for president.

She never explicitly stated she was running for President in 2012, but she campaigned as if she was. Complete with a Tour Bus, stopping in Iowa during the straw poll, etc. She used the media to help sell books and keep her name fresh, and raised funds to pay for her to decide to run.

Timeline of her "campaign"

(12-15-2015 09:07 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:55 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:47 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 09:59 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 10:24 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  I stated that Tramp is the closest we've had to an American Hitler and I was being called crazy. This guy is dangerous not only to America but to the whole world.

On one hand, I do agree that his similarities to Hitler are there. Most tellingly, he's making a lot of his gains on bar-room level racist rhetoric aimed at capitalizing on racist and xenophobic elements within the country. But, and the importance of this difference cannot be understated, I do not think he has any real deep-seeded racist hatred or goals similar to those of Hitler.

Part of me still thinks he's not taking this seriously in the least, and that he knows what he's doing; outlining the absurdity in taking the most conservative elements of the Republican Party to it's logical conclusion. Speak enough rhetoric praising mythical job creators and lambasting politicians, while also walking a tightrope of dog whistle xenophobic politics, and Trump is your worst nightmare. Trump doesn't care to tiptoe the line on the xenophobia, instead diving head first into it, and he's one of those glorious job creators, so what can these career politicians do to attack him on that?

EDIT: And before it gets taken this way, I am in no way saying every Republican is xenophobic or anything negative I associated with some Republican voters. I am saying that SOME of their base is, and Trump is pandering to them. You can of course be a conservative without thinking that banning all muslims is a logical policy or that somehow forcing mexico to build a fence isn't pure fantasy.

How much of what Trump says do you think is purposely aimed at causing a stir in the media so they cover him all the time? I mean, he doesn't have to spend a dime on political ads - he just says some on the edge stuff and watches the media lose their collective minds and splash his name and picture all across both print and television almost non-stop.

It would appear he's following that age old Hollywood notion that all publicity is good publicity.....

Probably a good portion of it, which leads to another issue in our primary system that I think plagues the Republican Party more than the Democratic, candidates running only as a medium for free advertisement. Palin, Huckabee, etc all ran in the past to do nothing more than up their book sales.

Funny, I thought Sara Palin was chosen to run as Vice President. What offices has she run for since that?

So - many Republicans only run for free advertisements, but the Democrats all run for altruistic reasons. Wow - that's good to know. Bullsh!t!

Calm down there bucko, I never said the Dems were immune or better than this happening. I'm just saying it's currently a bigger problem for Republicans given the fact these people tend to make the Republicans go further right than the general populace would want to elect in order to win the nomination.

(12-15-2015 12:30 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 10:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  comparing Trump, or really any American politician to Hitler is insulting to the 6mm Jews who died under Hitler's orders. Trump is as politically incorrect as he could possibly be, but he hasn't killed anyone, nor has he called for any innocent person to be killed

what's insulting to those 6mm jews is not taking any of the lessons learned from the 1930s and applying those lessons today.

Just because he isn't comparable to 1940s Hitler doesn't mean you can't compare him to 1930s Hitler.

NOW you're insulting 350mm voting Americans.

When you say Hitler, you mean to imply 'the Hitler everyone knows' and not just some specific period which only students of the era would know....

and you know it (as do the righties who do it)

As I said, pick George Wallace. Of course, that doesn't conjure up the same 'hate', does it... which defeats the not so subtle purpose of the comparison.