(12-01-2015 10:36 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:18 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Here's the deal. We went 11-0 and no bowl once. Screw that.

No G5 fan should be advocating a bowl cutback because they will sit home at 9-2 and watch Iowa State bowl at 6-6.

That ain't fun.

The only way I would advocate a bowl cutback is that a team would have to be 7-5 to play in a bowl game. All bowl positions would have to be filled before a 6-6 team could be invited to play in a bowl game. If a 6-6 team made a conference championship game they would have to win that game to get to 7-6 to be selected to play in a bowl game.

No way to coordinate that, you can't throw a bowl together in 2 weeks. We live in such a knee jerk society... Just last year we had 3 bowl eligible teams in our conference sit at home.

(12-01-2015 10:41 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:36 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:18 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Here's the deal. We went 11-0 and no bowl once. Screw that.

No G5 fan should be advocating a bowl cutback because they will sit home at 9-2 and watch Iowa State bowl at 6-6.

That ain't fun.

The only way I would advocate a bowl cutback is that a team would have to be 7-5 to play in a bowl game. All bowl positions would have to be filled before a 6-6 team could be invited to play in a bowl game. If a 6-6 team made a conference championship game they would have to win that game to get to 7-6 to be selected to play in a bowl game.

No way to coordinate that, you can't throw a bowl together in 2 weeks. We live in such a knee jerk society... Just last year we had 3 bowl eligible teams in our conference sit at home.

You do know that GS or AppSt will not know if they are playing in a bowl game in just two weeks from this saturday for which ever plays in Montgomery or two 1/2 weeks for Mobile.

Man, just... who cares? I love football. Just scratch the term "bowl eligibility" honestly, I'm still going to watch every bowl game possible I don't care what the teams record is.

(12-01-2015 10:41 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Here's the real kicker to me ... it's the P5 teams that are getting to 6 wins, but going 2-6 in conference play. Put some combination or overall/conference record restrictions on becoming bowl eligible

They are never going to do that.

P5 does not think of the overall health of the sport. They only care about benefit to the P5.

G5 needs to start protecting its own interests as a group....and the way things are now...the more bowls the better.

If P5 wants it really fixed, only they have that power.

(12-01-2015 11:05 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:41 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:36 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:18 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Here's the deal. We went 11-0 and no bowl once. Screw that.

No G5 fan should be advocating a bowl cutback because they will sit home at 9-2 and watch Iowa State bowl at 6-6.

That ain't fun.

The only way I would advocate a bowl cutback is that a team would have to be 7-5 to play in a bowl game. All bowl positions would have to be filled before a 6-6 team could be invited to play in a bowl game. If a 6-6 team made a conference championship game they would have to win that game to get to 7-6 to be selected to play in a bowl game.

No way to coordinate that, you can't throw a bowl together in 2 weeks. We live in such a knee jerk society... Just last year we had 3 bowl eligible teams in our conference sit at home.

You do know that GS or AppSt will not know if they are playing in a bowl game in just two weeks from this saturday for which ever plays in Montgomery or two 1/2 weeks for Mobile.

And? Welcome to FBS and the bowl system, that's everyone's case. Do you have to secure the stadium? Or does the bowl? Do you have to secure sponsors? Or does the bowl? Do you have to coordinate events with the host city?or does the bowl? You can't wait until the end of the season, take all the 7-5 or better and start planning bowl games. Just last year a 7-5 team in our league stayed home, and if it wasn't a transition year for GS and App...3 SBC teams would have been left out. So what do you want the Bowls to do? Cancel them and give everybody their money back? It's easy just to say only 7-5, buts it's not practical logistically. This isn't playoffs where teams host.

(12-01-2015 11:18 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 11:05 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:41 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:36 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:18 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Here's the deal. We went 11-0 and no bowl once. Screw that.

No G5 fan should be advocating a bowl cutback because they will sit home at 9-2 and watch Iowa State bowl at 6-6.

That ain't fun.

The only way I would advocate a bowl cutback is that a team would have to be 7-5 to play in a bowl game. All bowl positions would have to be filled before a 6-6 team could be invited to play in a bowl game. If a 6-6 team made a conference championship game they would have to win that game to get to 7-6 to be selected to play in a bowl game.

No way to coordinate that, you can't throw a bowl together in 2 weeks. We live in such a knee jerk society... Just last year we had 3 bowl eligible teams in our conference sit at home.

You do know that GS or AppSt will not know if they are playing in a bowl game in just two weeks from this saturday for which ever plays in Montgomery or two 1/2 weeks for Mobile.

And? Welcome to FBS and the bowl system, that's everyone's case. Do you have to secure the stadium? Or does the bowl? Do you have to secure sponsors? Or does the bowl? Do you have to coordinate events with the host city?or does the bowl? You can't wait until the end of the season, take all the 7-5 or better and start planning bowl games. Just last year a 7-5 team in our league stayed home, and if it wasn't a transition year for GS and App...3 SBC teams would have been left out. So what do you want the Bowls to do? Cancel them and give everybody their money back? It's easy just to say only 7-5, buts it's not practical logistically. This isn't playoffs where teams host.

Maybe you did not understand my post. Bowl cutbacks Same bowl system as we have today. If the number of bowl games are reduced raise the bar for teams that can play in a bowl game from 6-6 to 7-5. Responding to the only way I would support a cutback in the number of bowl games that we have today. Do I want a cutback in bowls NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We could just call it what it is. Have a G5 playoff structured like FCS rather than bowl games and just let the P5 have their meaningless bowl games and 4 team playoff.

(12-01-2015 11:27 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 11:18 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 11:05 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:41 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:36 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  The only way I would advocate a bowl cutback is that a team would have to be 7-5 to play in a bowl game. All bowl positions would have to be filled before a 6-6 team could be invited to play in a bowl game. If a 6-6 team made a conference championship game they would have to win that game to get to 7-6 to be selected to play in a bowl game.

No way to coordinate that, you can't throw a bowl together in 2 weeks. We live in such a knee jerk society... Just last year we had 3 bowl eligible teams in our conference sit at home.

You do know that GS or AppSt will not know if they are playing in a bowl game in just two weeks from this saturday for which ever plays in Montgomery or two 1/2 weeks for Mobile.

And? Welcome to FBS and the bowl system, that's everyone's case. Do you have to secure the stadium? Or does the bowl? Do you have to secure sponsors? Or does the bowl? Do you have to coordinate events with the host city?or does the bowl? You can't wait until the end of the season, take all the 7-5 or better and start planning bowl games. Just last year a 7-5 team in our league stayed home, and if it wasn't a transition year for GS and App...3 SBC teams would have been left out. So what do you want the Bowls to do? Cancel them and give everybody their money back? It's easy just to say only 7-5, buts it's not practical logistically. This isn't playoffs where teams host.

Maybe you did not understand my post. Bowl cutbacks Same bowl system as we have today. If the number of bowl games are reduced raise the bar for teams that can play in a bowl game from 6-6 to 7-5. Responding to the only way I would support a cutback in the number of bowl games that we have today. Do I want a cutback in bowls NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And last year we had 7-5 teams sitting at home to possibly being 5 teams short at 6-6...you can't predict the right amount of bowls. Take this from a fan who watched 8-3 cajum teams sit at home... stAte had an 11-0 team sit at home. Any tweaking to the bowl system will only hurt us, it will start with us anyway. Like I said...not very long ago only the SBC champion was guaranteed a spot. Reduction in bowls means less G5 teams in bowls any way you slice it. The bowls are about money and a 6-6 penn state will always make them more money than a 9-3 SBC team.

Obviously this an unusual year, but what is the SB policy, if any, of the conf champ or another school opting our of a tie in bowl for one with a bigger payout.

(12-01-2015 09:38 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 09:10 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 08:33 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Some of these ESPN created games need to go away and the record requirement changed to 7 wins. The 6 wins came about when we had 11 game schedules. Time to adjust.

I agree with this completely. I can remember the days of 8 win SEC teams not going bowling because there just weren't enough bowls. When bowl games were a reward for a good season. Need to get back to that. Would make for some much more interesting games.

How many teams were in FBS or D-1 back in the "good ol" days?

Before 1-AA came along the SoCon champ usually played the MAC champ in the Tangerine Bowl, precursor to the Citrus Bowl.

Planning for this Bowl stuff is a piece of cake compared to a playoff. Try making travel plans 3-4 weeks in a row for destinations you don't know about until 6 days before you go.

(12-01-2015 11:36 AM)AcctEagle221 Wrote:  We could just call it what it is. Have a G5 playoff structured like FCS rather than bowl games and just let the P5 have their meaningless bowl games and 4 team playoff.

Can't believe you just drug out the FCS lovers "meaningless bowl game" jab. You think these games aren't meaningless to the teams playing in them?

(12-01-2015 12:04 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 11:36 AM)AcctEagle221 Wrote:  We could just call it what it is. Have a G5 playoff structured like FCS rather than bowl games and just let the P5 have their meaningless bowl games and 4 team playoff.

Can't believe you just drug out the FCS lovers "meaningless bowl game" jab. You think these games aren't meaningless to the teams playing in them?

(12-01-2015 12:04 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 11:36 AM)AcctEagle221 Wrote:  We could just call it what it is. Have a G5 playoff structured like FCS rather than bowl games and just let the P5 have their meaningless bowl games and 4 team playoff.

Can't believe you just drug out the FCS lovers "meaningless bowl game" jab. You think these games aren't meaningless to the teams playing in them?

They are meaningful to be in, especially if you don't make one, but there is no championship value to them. That's what I mean by saying they are meaningless. It's not as much as an FCS lover mentality as much as it is a playoff lover mentality.

(12-01-2015 11:58 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Planning for this Bowl stuff is a piece of cake compared to a playoff. Try making travel plans 3-4 weeks in a row for destinations you don't know about until 6 days before you go.

Yeah...does R&L carriers drop loads of cash advertising those playoffs? Does the host school have parades? Concerts? Deals in place with hotels? Do the players receive gifts from sponsors? Do they have to reserve the suoerdome in 6 days notice? Or is their home field that they have total control over? Please explain with all your bowl experiences. I hope you get to attend your teams bowl game this year and all what goes into hosting a bowl game and see if you feel the same way.

(12-01-2015 12:21 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 11:58 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Planning for this Bowl stuff is a piece of cake compared to a playoff. Try making travel plans 3-4 weeks in a row for destinations you don't know about until 6 days before you go.

Yeah...does R&L carriers drop loads of cash advertising those playoffs? Does the host school have parades? Concerts? Deals in place with hotels? Do the players receive gifts from sponsors? Do they have to reserve the suoerdome in 6 days notice? Or is their home field that they have total control over? Please explain with all your bowl experiences. I hope you get to attend your teams bowl game this year and all what goes into hosting a bowl game and see if you feel the same way.

I think he is referencing from the fan's standpoint. He's not being critical of the bowl system compared to the FCS playoffs.

Rewarding teams with high APR's is actually better than rewarding teams that squeak in a 6 win season scheduling a weak OOC and barely meet the minimum APR requirements IMO. Honestly the biggest waste of oxygen in sports is people obsessing over bowls, how many there are and who plays in them. Last I checked nobody holds a gun to anyone's head and forces them to watch them. How is a 5-7 team playing in Shreveport affect your enjoyment of the Rose Bowl? So around 85-100 kids get to play one more game and a take a trip somewhere....let's all freak out about it.

(12-01-2015 11:13 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 10:41 AM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Here's the real kicker to me ... it's the P5 teams that are getting to 6 wins, but going 2-6 in conference play. Put some combination or overall/conference record restrictions on becoming bowl eligible

They are never going to do that.

P5 does not think of the overall health of the sport. They only care about benefit to the P5.

G5 needs to start protecting its own interests as a group....and the way things are now...the more bowls the better.

If P5 wants it really fixed, only they have that power.

This. If you cut down on bowls significantly this puts the G5 at a huge disadvantage to the even the worst P5's. P5 conferences protect even their own fake P5's like Vandy and Wake. They would get the nod over even the best G5's on conf affiliation alone. That gives them a recruiting advantage and competitive one with the two weeks of extra practice.

(12-01-2015 12:10 PM)AcctEagle221 Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 12:04 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 11:36 AM)AcctEagle221 Wrote:  We could just call it what it is. Have a G5 playoff structured like FCS rather than bowl games and just let the P5 have their meaningless bowl games and 4 team playoff.

Can't believe you just drug out the FCS lovers "meaningless bowl game" jab. You think these games aren't meaningless to the teams playing in them?

(12-01-2015 12:04 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 11:36 AM)AcctEagle221 Wrote:  We could just call it what it is. Have a G5 playoff structured like FCS rather than bowl games and just let the P5 have their meaningless bowl games and 4 team playoff.

Can't believe you just drug out the FCS lovers "meaningless bowl game" jab. You think these games aren't meaningless to the teams playing in them?

They are meaningful to be in, especially if you don't make one, but there is no championship value to them. That's what I mean by saying they are meaningless. It's not as much as an FCS lover mentality as much as it is a playoff lover mentality.

They are not meaningless where the bottom line is concerned. Especially when compared to the FCS playoffs. Typically the lowest rated bowls are attended better and have higher ratings than the FCS NC game much less playoff games that are largely not on TV. Having NDSU and close TX team is the best case scenario for the FCS NC game. IF William and Mary and the Citadel make the champ game Frisco will be a ghost town and will make the Cure Bowl look like the Super Bowl.

(12-01-2015 11:44 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Obviously this an unusual year, but what is the SB policy, if any, of the conf champ or another school opting our of a tie in bowl for one with a bigger payout.

I believe the general idea is "Do so at your own peril."

And I don't really think it's so much of a risk with the conference as it is with making the bowl committee upset.

I'm pretty sure LT did that in the last year of the WAC and got left home with a 8 or 9 win team.