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Too many turnovers the first half. Too many outside shot attempts. Only 18 points scored in the paint for the entire game. Horrible!

I didnt understand the persistent outside shooting. I get that players have to shoot their way out of a slump, but it clearly wasn't working last night and at some point an adjustment should have been made.

(11-28-2015 03:31 AM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  I didnt understand the persistent outside shooting. I get that players have to shoot their way out of a slump, but it clearly wasn't working last night and at some point an adjustment should have been made.

Because the Illini has given up a shitload of 3s this year. It was an attempt to exploit a weakness that failed.

We have only taken less than 23 threes in one game and it was Auburn when we took 13.

Bad game by us in many respects but also have to credit Illinois who played much better with some of their more experienced guys back in the lineup. It was an important game for us and unfortunately we didn't get it done. Hopeful they can turn it back around against Va Tech and get the win but this was definitely a lost opportunity.

man, we are a fanbase of extremes

(11-28-2015 07:54 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 03:31 AM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  I didnt understand the persistent outside shooting. I get that players have to shoot their way out of a slump, but it clearly wasn't working last night and at some point an adjustment should have been made.

Because the Illini has given up a shitload of 3s this year. It was an attempt to exploit a weakness that failed.

The game plan should have been for UAB to go with their strengths and work the ball to the paint or drive to the basket. Not only did the team shoot too many threes, they shot too many shots inside of three from mid range. Also, Neither team scored a fast break field goal for the entire game. Last night was no time for UAB to "outside shoot their way out of a slump". If this team picks up the tempo, looks for fast break points and/or pounds the ball down low or drives to the basket, they will be a tough team to beat. Otherwise, relying on the outside shot is going to get them beat by the scoring margin that they suffered last night.

Great 2nd half shooting by Illinois. We needed some stops and misses by the Illini.
Big man Thorne unexpectedly hit some big foul shots.
The 2 losses this yr were to teams with good talent that we were unable to scout much.
I look for us to rebound with a winning streak that starts Today.

(11-28-2015 01:21 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 01:06 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  I'd like to see this line up start the game tomorrow:

Watts
Brown
Williams
Cokley
Lee

Sullivan comes in for either big. Mehinti's 2 points, 2 rebounds, and 3 TO's in 16 minutes doesn't cut it.

Norton spells Watts but their minutes get reversed. Nick gives up too much on defense if he going to shooting 28% from 3.

Madison and Baxter fill in depending on foul trouble or defensive match- ups.

All that said, I'm not sure line up changes are the solution. The whole team has to shake off the tentativeness, starting with William Lee, and find some way to break out of this funk.

Lee seems to be slowly coming around and his defense makes him a must start, anyway...

Yep when I think about HaHa he's a center in a SF body. It was depressing seeing the way the frontcourt played at times. Sullivan and Cokley had a hard time moving both Thorne and Finkie. Sullivan should've stretch the floor better and shot some threes. Cokley is the man along with Rob we need two more guys to carry the scoring load. We can't keep a bunch of guys throwing up shots and sharing the load of bricks we shoot.


Also I like that lineup it puts our best playmakers on the floor outside of Sullivan. Heck at this moment I wouldn't mind starting both PG's until Dirk or Hak consistently start carrying some part of the scoring load with another guy out the 4-6 points a night crowd, that crowd include like five guys.

(11-28-2015 12:31 AM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  The problem I see is that a lot of times we find a decent shot, we just cant hit it. This team doesnt have enough shooters to play that way. We do have an abundance of athleticism so we need to pick up the tempo and use that to our advantage.

So will Haase continue with his sets and Riy Williams style of coaching. Or will he start to play to his guys strengths actually set some roles and go from there.

This has been my opinion the whole first five of the season.

(11-28-2015 01:21 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 01:06 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  I'd like to see this line up start the game tomorrow:

Watts
Brown
Williams
Cokley
Lee

Sullivan comes in for either big. Mehinti's 2 points, 2 rebounds, and 3 TO's in 16 minutes doesn't cut it.

Norton spells Watts but their minutes get reversed. Nick gives up too much on defense if he going to shooting 28% from 3.

Madison and Baxter fill in depending on foul trouble or defensive match- ups.

All that said, I'm not sure line up changes are the solution. The whole team has to shake off the tentativeness, starting with William Lee, and find some way to break out of this funk.

Lee seems to be slowly coming around and his defense makes him a must start, anyway...

For the good Lee does on defense, he gives up too many easy plays on defense. He seems to just be blocked shot hunting on many trips on D.

(11-28-2015 10:59 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 12:31 AM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  The problem I see is that a lot of times we find a decent shot, we just cant hit it. This team doesnt have enough shooters to play that way. We do have an abundance of athleticism so we need to pick up the tempo and use that to our advantage.

So will Haase continue with his sets and Riy Williams style of coaching. Or will he start to play to his guys strengths actually set some roles and go from there.

This has been my opinion the whole first five of the season.

Obviously, Haase and Roy Williams know more about basketball than I ever will, but I wonder if Roy's offensive system is starting to show its age. Modern offenses today are more free flowing with quicker actions, and while Williams is about pushing the pace, his sets are more traditional. We need to send Haase to the Greg Popovich School of Coaching and Media Beratement.

Also, when you shoot as poorly as we do, every system looks terrible.

(11-28-2015 11:22 AM)jthrashr Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 10:59 AM)Big Dee Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 12:31 AM)BlazintheATL Wrote:  The problem I see is that a lot of times we find a decent shot, we just cant hit it. This team doesnt have enough shooters to play that way. We do have an abundance of athleticism so we need to pick up the tempo and use that to our advantage.

So will Haase continue with his sets and Riy Williams style of coaching. Or will he start to play to his guys strengths actually set some roles and go from there.

This has been my opinion the whole first five of the season.

Obviously, Haase and Roy Williams know more about basketball than I ever will, but I wonder if Roy's offensive system is starting to show its age. Modern offenses today are more free flowing with quicker actions, and while Williams is about pushing the pace, his sets are more traditional. We need to send Haase to the Greg Popovich School of Coaching and Media Beratement.

Also, when you shoot as poorly as we do, every system looks terrible.

Yeah you're right, but UaB and UNC chapel hill looks pretty bad right now.

The main problem with the system we run now is that we aren't executing on its value add--the primary and secondary breaks. We don't value the transition game and aren't even trying to get out and attack. Until that changes, our offensive anemia will persist.

I like that starting line-up of Watts, Brown, Williams, Cokley, and Lee, which means that Norton, Baxter, and Mehinti are going to have to come off of the bench. Norton and Baxter are playing about 25 minutes per game and are only averaging 6 points a piece per game. Baxter is 0-5 from three this season. Norton is shooting 32% from the field. Mehinti is playing 20 minutes and averaging 4 points per game. Come on, Coach Haase, shake up the starting line-up and bring in Cokley, Williams, and Watts. I would like to see a lot more of Sullivan, too. He is shooting 60% from the field, and 83% from the free throw line. He has only 3 turnovers all season.

This team is built to run & press. We are as long and as fast as any team Mike Anderson ever fielded here. Teams and coaches would be peeing themselves upon seeing UAB and our press up next on their schedule.

Haase should run the 2-2-1 zone press and not ever look back. Norton & Brown up front; Lee & Cokley on the wings; & Madison in the back. Sub them out with Watts & Baxter; Mehenti & Williams, & Sullivan in the back.

Hasse is setting his own coaching scheme , but it is based on the one his mentor has at UNC. Either change to what works or fail while being stubborn. But continuing to do what isn't working is insanity.

(11-28-2015 12:37 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  This team is built to run & press. We are as long and as fast as any team Mike Anderson ever fielded here. Teams and coaches would be peeing themselves upon seeing UAB and our press up next on their schedule.

Haase should run the 2-2-1 zone press and not ever look back. Norton & Brown up front; Lee & Cokley on the wings; & Madison in the back. Sub them out with Watts & Baxter; Mehenti & Williams, & Sullivan in the back.

Hasse is setting his own coaching scheme , but it is based on the one his mentor has at UNC. Either change to what works or fail while being stubborn. But continuing to do what isn't working is insanity.

I agree

Hard to run the Roy Williams system with Burger King All Americans. What they can run is some up tenpo. Hasse promised this from the outset. Hell that was even one of the reasons he was hired.

In the end he has to be his own guy but with our depth is be running folks out of the gym.

Every time I've seen us try to press, the other team gets a layup or dunk, so I don't know if pressing is the answer. We do have the length to run some Syracuse style zones, which tend to be easier to run fast breaks out of, but that assumes we can rotate fast enough on perimeter shots and get defensive stops.

In any case, we need to push the tempo before the defense has time to recover. How many times have you seen us get an easy lay-up?

Still, if we just shoot a respectable percentage from three, we're probably undefeated at this point. We're close, which is why it's so frurstrating to watch.

(11-28-2015 01:52 PM)jthrashr Wrote:  Every time I've seen us try to press, the other team gets a layup or dunk, so I don't know if pressing is the answer. We do have the length to run some Syracuse style zones, which tend to be easier to run fast breaks out of, but that assumes we can rotate fast enough on perimeter shots and get defensive stops.

In any case, we need to push the tempo before the defense has time to recover. How many times have you seen us get an easy lay-up?

Still, if we just shoot a respectable percentage from three, we're probably undefeated at this point. We're close, which is why it's so frurstrating to watch.

Yeah I much rather see us play man than press. The tempo is a little slow and boring on the offense. Still confused on his breaks.