(11-27-2015 04:08 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Maybe we were overrated all season long

No I don't think so. It just seems that the Rockets got worse and worse as the season wore on leading up to grande finale today with their best keystone cops imitation of all saved for senior day. Over the first six games of the season the Rockets were giving up 13.2 points per game whereas over the final five games they gave almost 31 points per game------when Campbell kept saying "we are getting better each game" I assume he was not including the defense in that discussion.

Campbell likes to talk about waiting after finish of the season to evaluate it in order to get a better perspective. If really does an honest assessment, and I don't care if the season ends at 10-2 or 9-3, the way the team ended the season by ruining a gift ticket to Ford Field and the way they regressed NOT progressed as the season wore on is a total disappointment------regardless of how much lipstick you put on a pig, it is still a pig---and the way the team responded after given the miracle of a second chance by Ohio stinks.

As bizarre as it sounds, it is almost as the football program has become afraid to go to Ford Field to play for a championship and will do anything in their power to avoid doing so. Losing to NIU every single year is usually enough to spare them that trip to Ford Field, but this year it took a special heroic effort in order to ensure that NIU had the MAC West ticket to Detroit----but the Rockets came thru with flying colors and proved that they were up to the task although it has to be difficult to make that many bone-headed mistakes in a single game.

Rant completed---over and out.

(11-27-2015 04:03 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 03:55 PM)owen Wrote:  WMU came ready to play.

Congratulations to PJ Fleck securing a MACC for his alma mater.
And in the process adding to his own coaching legacy

Fleck has a coaching legacy?

I'm never going to forget him....
So I think the answer is...probably?

(11-27-2015 04:43 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 04:08 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Maybe we were overrated all season long

No I don't think so. It just seems that the Rockets got worse and worse as the season wore on leading up to grande finale today with their best keystone cops imitation of all saved for their last game. Over the first six games of the season the Rockets were giving up 13.2 points per game whereas over the final five games they gave almost 31 points per game------when Campbell kept saying "we are getting better each game" I assume he was not including the defense in that discussion.

Campbell likes to talk about waiting after finish of the season to evaluate it in order to get a better perspective. If really does an honest assessment, and I don't care if the season ends at 10-2 or 9-3, the way the team ended the season by ruining a gift ticket to Ford Field and the way they regressed NOT progressed as the season wore on is a total disappointment------regardless of how much lipstick you put on a pig, it is still a pig---and the way the team responded after given the miracle of a second chance by Ohio stinks.

As bizarre as it sounds, it is almost as the football program has become afraid to go to Ford Field to play for a championship and will do anything in their power to avoid doing so. Losing to NIU every single year is usually enough to spare them that trip to Ford Field, but this year it took a special heroic effort in order to ensure that NIU had the MAC West ticket to Detroit----but the Rockets came thru with flying colors and proved that they were up to the task although it has to be difficult to make that many bone-headed mistakes in a single game.

Rant completed---over and out.

I don't think we were overrated either.

And I agree we didn't improve as the season progressed. But we are still a very solid team and I would have REALLY looked forward to the MACC.
I was already planning the trip and getting a hotel.

(11-27-2015 04:01 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  Thanks for throwin us to the wolves to get creamed Toledo

Yeah.
I kinda think that is EXACTLY what is going to happen.

(11-27-2015 04:07 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Team loss. Got outplayed in all aspects of the game. Congrats to Western. Kicked our asses on any play that mattered. We looked like a team that wasn't ready to play and then looked like a team that had no business playing in a championship game. I can't be the only one who is getting tired of Toledo not getting ghe job done in ANY revenue sport, can I? Maybe we need a new AD--one who is hungry and wants to win some championships in SOMETHING again?

Good points.
I think Mike O'Brien is doing his best.
Can't fire and hire every season.
The coaches are winning.
The coaches aren't winning ANY championships.

well, besides an WNIT

I like BGSU's chances for another championship

(11-27-2015 04:43 PM)T-Town Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 04:08 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  Maybe we were overrated all season long

No I don't think so. It just seems that the Rockets got worse and worse as the season wore on leading up to grande finale today with their best keystone cops imitation of all saved for senior day. Over the first six games of the season the Rockets were giving up 13.2 points per game whereas over the final five games they gave almost 31 points per game------when Campbell kept saying "we are getting better each game" I assume he was not including the defense in that discussion.

Campbell likes to talk about waiting after finish of the season to evaluate it in order to get a better perspective. If really does an honest assessment, and I don't care if the season ends at 10-2 or 9-3, the way the team ended the season by ruining a gift ticket to Ford Field and the way they regressed NOT progressed as the season wore on is a total disappointment------regardless of how much lipstick you put on a pig, it is still a pig---and the way the team responded after given the miracle of a second chance by Ohio stinks.

As bizarre as it sounds, it is almost as the football program has become afraid to go to Ford Field to play for a championship and will do anything in their power to avoid doing so. Losing to NIU every single year is usually enough to spare them that trip to Ford Field, but this year it took a special heroic effort in order to ensure that NIU had the MAC West ticket to Detroit----but the Rockets came thru with flying colors and proved that they were up to the task although it has to be difficult to make that many bone-headed mistakes in a single game.

Rant completed---over and out.

Well said.

(11-27-2015 04:09 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 04:07 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Team loss. Got outplayed in all aspects of the game. Congrats to Western. Kicked our asses on any play that mattered. We looked like a team that wasn't ready to play and then looked like a team that had no business playing in a championship game. I can't be the only one who is getting tired of Toledo not getting ghe job done in ANY revenue sport, can I? Maybe we need a new AD--one who is hungry and wants to win some championships in SOMETHING again?

Toledo tough. The process. Blah blah blah. Only thing that matters is -- CHOKE.

CHOKE is exactly the word that kept coming to mind while watching this game. We got out-coached, and out-played. I'm weary of that.

(11-28-2015 12:42 AM)djsfw57 Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 04:09 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 04:07 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Team loss. Got outplayed in all aspects of the game. Congrats to Western. Kicked our asses on any play that mattered. We looked like a team that wasn't ready to play and then looked like a team that had no business playing in a championship game. I can't be the only one who is getting tired of Toledo not getting ghe job done in ANY revenue sport, can I? Maybe we need a new AD--one who is hungry and wants to win some championships in SOMETHING again?

Toledo tough. The process. Blah blah blah. Only thing that matters is -- CHOKE.

CHOKE is exactly the word that kept coming to mind while watching this game. We got out-coached, and out-played. I'm weary of that.

Well, to be realistic, it only happened twice all year, we were 1-0 against ranked teams, we were ranked for weeks, we outcoached and outplayed BG on the road- all on all an awfully good year. I'm terribly disappointed but trying to get perspective.

(11-28-2015 07:44 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 12:42 AM)djsfw57 Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 04:09 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 04:07 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Team loss. Got outplayed in all aspects of the game. Congrats to Western. Kicked our asses on any play that mattered. We looked like a team that wasn't ready to play and then looked like a team that had no business playing in a championship game. I can't be the only one who is getting tired of Toledo not getting ghe job done in ANY revenue sport, can I? Maybe we need a new AD--one who is hungry and wants to win some championships in SOMETHING again?

Toledo tough. The process. Blah blah blah. Only thing that matters is -- CHOKE.

CHOKE is exactly the word that kept coming to mind while watching this game. We got out-coached, and out-played. I'm weary of that.

Well, to be realistic, it only happened twice all year, we were 1-0 against ranked teams, we were ranked for weeks, we outcoached and outplayed BG on the road- all on all an awfully good year. I'm terribly disappointed but trying to get perspective.

Good season, yes. 9 wins is a step in the right direction. I like our chances for 10 if we get a bowl against a Sun Belt or C-USA team. Technically finishing 3rd in the West Division isn't a step in the right direction, and somehow the team that accomplished all you rightly point out found a way to lose to both Northern and Western at home. Just splitting those games would have done it. Still kinda unbelieveable.

(11-28-2015 07:44 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  [
Well, to be realistic, it only happened twice all year, we were 1-0 against ranked teams, we were ranked for weeks, we outcoached and outplayed BG on the road- all on all an awfully good year. I'm terribly disappointed but trying to get perspective.

I think it is important to defend the home turf, and it has been way too long that playing in the Glass Bowl was an advantage.

And the perspective should be that a very special season has been wiped out. Once by NIU. And then our chance at redemption of sorts comes along, at home on senior day, that doesn't go too well either.

And there is very little to be happy about a 9 win season this year because is has placed us squarely in 3rd in the division based on head to head play.

It is not an accomplishment we will raise any banners about. Get any ranking for. Nothing.

Might lose our head coach but that seems like about it.

(11-28-2015 07:44 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(11-28-2015 12:42 AM)djsfw57 Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 04:09 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 04:07 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Team loss. Got outplayed in all aspects of the game. Congrats to Western. Kicked our asses on any play that mattered. We looked like a team that wasn't ready to play and then looked like a team that had no business playing in a championship game. I can't be the only one who is getting tired of Toledo not getting ghe job done in ANY revenue sport, can I? Maybe we need a new AD--one who is hungry and wants to win some championships in SOMETHING again?

Toledo tough. The process. Blah blah blah. Only thing that matters is -- CHOKE.

CHOKE is exactly the word that kept coming to mind while watching this game. We got out-coached, and out-played. I'm weary of that.

Well, to be realistic, it only happened twice all year, we were 1-0 against ranked teams, we were ranked for weeks, we outcoached and outplayed BG on the road- all on all an awfully good year. I'm terribly disappointed but trying to get perspective.

Realism might recognize that in hindsight, those teams were not that good. You can "choke" and still win.

The schedule results were the result of a generally weak schedule. There were no upsets. I wouldn't call the losses "chokes" either though, not by the players actions I could see. There's a difference between nervous play and unprepared play and I feel it was more a case of the latter. As far as the coaches, actions less seen, I felt it was more of a slow learning curve as the mistakes made seemed less out of pressure and more a matter of a stubborn holding to formula and philosophies over adjustment to available talent and skills.


I'm trusting what my eyes and experience were saying and what I've posted real-time since second game over my loyalties. The team rarely seemed well practiced, made the same glaring mistakes game after game and the offensive schemes they used magnified the team skills they did not have over those they did.

Defense did improve and it let the players, play. Kicking did not have the skills of previous years yet I felt there was good adjustment there, using the high lofting kick to limit returns at the expense of not having a chance of burying the other team. Coverage was generally great and reliable.

They did not win games they clearly should have lost but they did lose games in which the other team had no business being in contention.

(11-27-2015 03:22 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 03:20 PM)rocketman49 Wrote:  Didn't think the refs can retroactively call a penalty.

Still an unnecessary block by Zo.

If the play is deemed worthy of a possible ejection, there is a clause that allows it to be reviewed for player safety purposes IF another play has not been ran yet

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I've been searching the NCAA rules and I can't find this clause.

I'm not arguing the validity of Alonzo Russell's targeting call. It was an unnecessary hit that to me looked like he lead with the crown of his helmet right into the other player's head.
But..
Did we get screwed by there being no flag thrown on the field and the replay booth reviewing it anyway?
I think probably...?

(11-30-2015 11:36 PM)owen Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 03:22 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 03:20 PM)rocketman49 Wrote:  Didn't think the refs can retroactively call a penalty.

Still an unnecessary block by Zo.

If the play is deemed worthy of a possible ejection, there is a clause that allows it to be reviewed for player safety purposes IF another play has not been ran yet

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I've been searching the NCAA rules and I can't find this clause.

I'm not arguing the validity of Alonzo Russell's targeting call. It was an unnecessary hit that to me looked like he lead with the crown of his helmet right into the other player's head.
But..
Did we get screwed by there being no flag thrown on the field and the replay booth reviewing it anyway?
I think probably...?

It's there under a revision, I'll see if i can fish it out for you

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(11-30-2015 11:37 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 11:36 PM)owen Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 03:22 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(11-27-2015 03:20 PM)rocketman49 Wrote:  Didn't think the refs can retroactively call a penalty.

Still an unnecessary block by Zo.

If the play is deemed worthy of a possible ejection, there is a clause that allows it to be reviewed for player safety purposes IF another play has not been ran yet

Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

I've been searching the NCAA rules and I can't find this clause.

I'm not arguing the validity of Alonzo Russell's targeting call. It was an unnecessary hit that to me looked like he lead with the crown of his helmet right into the other player's head.
But..
Did we get screwed by there being no flag thrown on the field and the replay booth reviewing it anyway?
I think probably...?

It's there under a revision, I'll see if i can fish it out for you

Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

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