(11-22-2015 01:43 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 11:29 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  There is also the matter that he inherited a dumpster fire and is showing progress.

The dumpster is no longer on fire in Atlanta.

Ga State had two problems at the beginning of the year.

1) The on the field product was not credible as a FBS program. The on the field product was not credible as a FCS program either.

2) The lack of support for the program brought up questions as to the viability of the program

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Ga State has solved the first problem. They have 4 wins (and you might get some more). They have a road OOC win. They've played other teams tight in losses too. Their on the field product isn't a joke. And that's a huge win.

Ga State hasn't done much about the second problem. And the calls are getting louder. But if he didn't solve the on the field problem, he isn't going to be able to solve the second one.

One problem at a time.

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Miles has bought his program some time to work on the second problem. Fire him and replace him with a bad hire and they could lose their program.

Georgia State is ahead of where I thought they'd be.

Keep Miles. He's done a great job fixing the problems. This is the most success they've ever tasted, at any level. And the trajectory is upward.

Next year they've got some replacements to fill. Lets see how he does next year.

Accept that moving towards excellence is a process that will take time.

And its more than beating USA. There's a body of work here.

I have a serious question, no smack. Would the team be doing as well if UAB transfers hadn't showed up? How many did you take and are any actually contributing? I ask because miles can't depend on that every season.

(11-22-2015 12:59 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  I have a serious question, no smack. Would the team be doing as well if UAB transfers hadn't showed up? How many did you take and are any actually contributing? I ask because miles can't depend on that every season.

There's a real problem at the new schools. We end up with highly asymmetric classes.

USA and several schools got bailed out by UAB. USA lost 17 starters last year. Those projections of 1 and 2 wins for us were based upon real metrics.

Look at what happened over at UTSA when they got hit.

Miles has earned a little more time. GSU has shown huge improvement during.

(11-22-2015 12:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 01:43 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 11:29 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  There is also the matter that he inherited a dumpster fire and is showing progress.

The dumpster is no longer on fire in Atlanta.

Ga State had two problems at the beginning of the year.

1) The on the field product was not credible as a FBS program. The on the field product was not credible as a FCS program either.

2) The lack of support for the program brought up questions as to the viability of the program

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Ga State has solved the first problem. They have 4 wins (and you might get some more). They have a road OOC win. They've played other teams tight in losses too. Their on the field product isn't a joke. And that's a huge win.

Ga State hasn't done much about the second problem. And the calls are getting louder. But if he didn't solve the on the field problem, he isn't going to be able to solve the second one.

One problem at a time.

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Miles has bought his program some time to work on the second problem. Fire him and replace him with a bad hire and they could lose their program.

Georgia State is ahead of where I thought they'd be.

Keep Miles. He's done a great job fixing the problems. This is the most success they've ever tasted, at any level. And the trajectory is upward.

Next year they've got some replacements to fill. Lets see how he does next year.

Accept that moving towards excellence is a process that will take time.

And its more than beating USA. There's a body of work here.

So the main problem is see with your analysis is that problem 2 is a reflection of problem 1. Any school including USA would have the same problems in the same situation. We need to start winning with consistency to bring fans back and make new ones.

Starting over sucks sometimes. Especially when your program is down. Competent coaches aren't exactly standing in line.
I think y'all have cleared some hurdles this year. He's turning things around, but it's not an overnight fix.

(11-22-2015 03:42 PM)timber Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 12:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 01:43 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 11:29 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  There is also the matter that he inherited a dumpster fire and is showing progress.

The dumpster is no longer on fire in Atlanta.

Ga State had two problems at the beginning of the year.

1) The on the field product was not credible as a FBS program. The on the field product was not credible as a FCS program either.

2) The lack of support for the program brought up questions as to the viability of the program

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Ga State has solved the first problem. They have 4 wins (and you might get some more). They have a road OOC win. They've played other teams tight in losses too. Their on the field product isn't a joke. And that's a huge win.

Ga State hasn't done much about the second problem. And the calls are getting louder. But if he didn't solve the on the field problem, he isn't going to be able to solve the second one.

One problem at a time.

---

Miles has bought his program some time to work on the second problem. Fire him and replace him with a bad hire and they could lose their program.

Georgia State is ahead of where I thought they'd be.

Keep Miles. He's done a great job fixing the problems. This is the most success they've ever tasted, at any level. And the trajectory is upward.

Next year they've got some replacements to fill. Lets see how he does next year.

Accept that moving towards excellence is a process that will take time.

And its more than beating USA. There's a body of work here.

So the main problem is see with your analysis is that problem 2 is a reflection of problem 1. Any school including USA would have the same problems in the same situation. We need to start winning with consistency to bring fans back and make new ones.

Yes. But you aren't going to go from 0-12, 1-11 etc., to 7-5.

And if USA had started out with the same on the field problems as Ga State, we'd have serious problems with attendance. They other schools have a history to fall back on in hard times.

You do need to win with consistency. But you are winning more consistently now.

I think Miles will be back regardless of how the next two games turn out, unless Ga. State loses both by blow-out margins. I mean, if the finals are Troy 49-13 and GASO 63-7, then the Panthers are 4-8 and I can see how Miles might be moved out in that case. But if the games are close, and especially if Ga. State beats Troy (which is what I honestly believe will happen), then no they are not going to let Miles go. Especially not after a 5-7 season.

It's a multi year process, I consider this the first year that would show results and that's definitely happening. A bit ahead of schedule perhaps.

(11-22-2015 10:57 AM)runninjoe Wrote:  Miles ceiling seems around .500-.600 given his past results.

Exactly

(11-22-2015 03:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I think Miles will be back regardless of how the next two games turn out, unless Ga. State loses both by blow-out margins. I mean, if the finals are Troy 49-13 and GASO 63-7, then the Panthers are 4-8 and I can see how Miles might be moved out in that case. But if the games are close, and especially if Ga. State beats Troy (which is what I honestly believe will happen), then no they are not going to let Miles go. Especially not after a 5-7 season.

There is much at play behind the scenes. His return is still 50/50 even after the last two weeks.

(11-22-2015 06:12 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 03:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  I think Miles will be back regardless of how the next two games turn out, unless Ga. State loses both by blow-out margins. I mean, if the finals are Troy 49-13 and GASO 63-7, then the Panthers are 4-8 and I can see how Miles might be moved out in that case. But if the games are close, and especially if Ga. State beats Troy (which is what I honestly believe will happen), then no they are not going to let Miles go. Especially not after a 5-7 season.

There is much at play behind the scenes. His return is still 50/50 even after the last two weeks.

He needs to be dumped ASAP. He should have been fired right after the USA game in my opinion.

My .02....

There is only 2 conditions where I think he is fired now.

1. They already have his replacement lined up. No searches. No down time from separation to new hire.
OR
2. Troy comes in and beats us 52-10. Southern beats us 66-17. We get blown out in both those games. I think he will get dropped even if there is no one else on the line yet.

There are a lot of question marks. Our JUCOs, with the exception of Arbuckle, have not panned out. The UAB guys have really help us out. Our heir apparent QB has yet to complete a pass in the 3 or 4 games he has played. I think a lot hinges on what happens when Troy comes to town.

(11-22-2015 06:10 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 10:57 AM)runninjoe Wrote:  Miles ceiling seems around .500-.600 given his past results.

Exactly

If you guys could get into a 6-7 win 'rut' in your first 4-6 years as an FBS team I would consider that a success.

My concern for you guys next year is who is going to be the starting QB? Scaife hasn't seen much if any of the field this year; neither has Winchester. Arbuckle's shoes are going to be pretty big to fill; not sure if either of those guys are up to the task at this point in their development.

Hopefully your wins will help turn the tide on some recruits that may be on the fence. And not to beat a dead horse but you need your own FB stadium, irrespective of what/where it is.

That is not a success. We are no less crazy than any other fans in this state and I can promise you that mediocrity is not what Dr Becker and Mr Cobb will consider a success.

As for QB I say bring in another JUCO for completion. "Come on down and throw for 3500 yards.."

Trent Miles is a great coach and a nice guy! Same goes for their Defensive Coordinator. They need a 3 year extension and a raise!

Cobb's man lost to the Citadel!

(11-23-2015 11:53 AM)alpha_eagle Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 06:10 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 10:57 AM)runninjoe Wrote:  Miles ceiling seems around .500-.600 given his past results.

Exactly

If you guys could get into a 6-7 win 'rut' in your first 4-6 years as an FBS team I would consider that a success.

My concern for you guys next year is who is going to be the starting QB? Scaife hasn't seen much if any of the field this year; neither has Winchester. Arbuckle's shoes are going to be pretty big to fill; not sure if either of those guys are up to the task at this point in their development.

Hopefully your wins will help turn the tide on some recruits that may be on the fence. And not to beat a dead horse but you need your own FB stadium, irrespective of what/where it is.

(11-23-2015 12:22 PM)panama Wrote:  That is not a success. We are no less crazy than any other fans in this state and I can promise you that mediocrity is not what Dr Becker and Mr Cobb will consider a success.

As for QB I say bring in another JUCO for completion. "Come on down and throw for 3500 yards.."

Never said you should be happy with that long-term, I was clearly speaking short team. There are many examples of programs that crapped the bed in years 1-10...getting to/sustaining 6-7 win seasons early on will do wonders for your recruiting and fan base...but it shouldn't be the end goal. You're obviously closer to the program...any rumors of another JUCO find like Arbuckle?

(11-23-2015 11:21 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  My .02....

There is only 2 conditions where I think he is fired now.

1. They already have his replacement lined up. No searches. No down time from separation to new hire.

Great point, unless Cobb has Shawn Elliott (or someone similar) dialed up to take the job Miles is staying. You don't fire a guy showing progress unless you'd got a no-brainer lined up. The worst thing that can happen to an AD is to fire a guy and take you have a coach lined up only to watch him take another job.

Can we have him?

They'd be insane not to give him an extra year. They're improved more than any team in the conference this year. And it's not like that will exactly be a job tons of guys want if they do fire him.